(04-24-2014 09:03 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Roughly, when you include all the offices and warehouses and loading docks. That is where Mardels, and Greco house their headquarters as well. It's huge.
That makes it 7 miles long and 150 feet wide. That's not as much a building as it is a wind tunnel.
It's the liberal nemesis Ken. The compound of evil conservatism forcing religion on the world.
(04-24-2014 09:33 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: I think history classes on both the old and new testament are good ideas because of their historic nature.
If you were to teach how the bible has impacted western civilization in an unbiased way, that would probably be an interesting college course. If you were to teach the bible as if it were history, or even an attempt to portray history, that would be akin to teaching Shakespeare's plays as if they were history as well. As history, the bible has no value. As literature, or as anthropology, it has great value to students mature enough to examine it critically. That excludes high school students.
I can't imagine this course, in this place, being anything more than an attempt to promote the views of one subset of Christian believers over those of other Christians and non-Christians. But it's Oklahoma. What would you expect?
So Paul did not write those letters to the Corinthians? The New Testament is comprised of, usually, 27 books written by real Men who lived and wrote these books. It is historic in so many ways that is why you study it, and also very much to understand what the letters, words meant back then and today.
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(04-24-2014 09:51 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: I think the elective study of any and all religions in public schools is perfectly appropriate. However I am not so down on a curriculum via this Green Scholars Initiative that seems to only support a biased review of the Bible. I can't imagine it remotely encourages critical thinking based on the description in the article so personally this type of preaching might be better left to Sundays at the local Church.
But, I prefer local control of local governments so have at it. It will be interesting to watch because the "Yatheist" are going to challenge this at every opportunity.
I agree with your post except for the "local control" part.
Local control is what was used to justify segregation.
(04-24-2014 09:33 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: I think history classes on both the old and new testament are good ideas because of their historic nature.
If you were to teach how the bible has impacted western civilization in an unbiased way, that would probably be an interesting college course. If you were to teach the bible as if it were history, or even an attempt to portray history, that would be akin to teaching Shakespeare's plays as if they were history as well. As history, the bible has no value. As literature, or as anthropology, it has great value to students mature enough to examine it critically. That excludes high school students.
I can't imagine this course, in this place, being anything more than an attempt to promote the views of one subset of Christian believers over those of other Christians and non-Christians. But it's Oklahoma. What would you expect?
So Paul did not write those letters to the Corinthians? The New Testament is comprised of, usually, 27 books written by real Men who lived and wrote these books. It is historic in so many ways that is why you study it, and also very much to understand what the letters, words meant back then and today.
You can safely bet the ranch that there will be no unbiased attempt to do that in this class. What you will get is what those things mean to fundamentalist Christians in Bible Belt America in the 21st Century (and why any other views are wrong).
(04-24-2014 09:33 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: I think history classes on both the old and new testament are good ideas because of their historic nature.
If you were to teach how the bible has impacted western civilization in an unbiased way, that would probably be an interesting college course. If you were to teach the bible as if it were history, or even an attempt to portray history, that would be akin to teaching Shakespeare's plays as if they were history as well. As history, the bible has no value. As literature, or as anthropology, it has great value to students mature enough to examine it critically. That excludes high school students.
I can't imagine this course, in this place, being anything more than an attempt to promote the views of one subset of Christian believers over those of other Christians and non-Christians. But it's Oklahoma. What would you expect?
So Paul did not write those letters to the Corinthians? The New Testament is comprised of, usually, 27 books written by real Men who lived and wrote these books. It is historic in so many ways that is why you study it, and also very much to understand what the letters, words meant back then and today.
You can safely bet the ranch that there will be no unbiased attempt to do that in this class. What you will get is what those things mean to fundamentalist Christians in Bible Belt America in the 21st Century (and why any other views are wrong).
The course structure and who teaches the course does matter, no doubt about that. I have watched, as you might have also, some of interesting TV shows on The Bible, like http://www.history.com/shows/bible-secre.../episodes, and the historical experts they have vary on what all of it means. I think the multiple viewpoints are interesting.
(04-24-2014 09:51 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: I think the elective study of any and all religions in public schools is perfectly appropriate. However I am not so down on a curriculum via this Green Scholars Initiative that seems to only support a biased review of the Bible. I can't imagine it remotely encourages critical thinking based on the description in the article so personally this type of preaching might be better left to Sundays at the local Church.
But, I prefer local control of local governments so have at it. It will be interesting to watch because the "Yatheist" are going to challenge this at every opportunity.
I agree with your post except for the "local control" part.
Local control is what was used to justify segregation.
Have you ever noticed that every argument you make has to do with segregation?
It shows that you have no clue what the difference between substantive due process and equal protection is.
Btw.. i hate hobby lobby, cause my hobbies are not among their priorities (you try finding decent stamp collecting equipment and HO Railroad stuff at HL.. doesnt' happen :) )
(04-24-2014 07:28 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote: Btw.. i hate hobby lobby, cause my hobbies are not among their priorities (you try finding decent stamp collecting equipment and HO Railroad stuff at HL.. doesnt' happen :) )
Their Radio Controlled plane stuff is near nonexistent, too.
I had a class on the Old Testament in grade 10. Was an awesome class and one of the best for discussion that I've ever had. The teacher was a pastor but kept it 100% historic.
(04-24-2014 09:47 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I had a class on the Old Testament in grade 10. Was an awesome class and one of the best for discussion that I've ever had. The teacher was a pastor but kept it 100% historic.
That is very interesting. I spent 1/3 of my time in Catholic schools and it was
not until HS that I had really good bible courses. Also I have no problem with other religious text elective courses in public schools.....Koran, Hindu stuff whatever.
(04-24-2014 09:47 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I had a class on the Old Testament in grade 10. Was an awesome class and one of the best for discussion that I've ever had. The teacher was a pastor but kept it 100% historic.
Out of curiosity, what part of the Old Testament can be considered historic?
(04-24-2014 09:47 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: I had a class on the Old Testament in grade 10. Was an awesome class and one of the best for discussion that I've ever had. The teacher was a pastor but kept it 100% historic.
Out of curiosity, what part of the Old Testament can be considered historic?
The history of that part of the middle east is covered. Lineages, wars, migration, laws, etc. There is also context given on each book by the attitudes of the time and the writers.
(04-24-2014 07:28 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote: Btw.. i hate hobby lobby, cause my hobbies are not among their priorities (you try finding decent stamp collecting equipment and HO Railroad stuff at HL.. doesnt' happen :) )
(04-24-2014 07:28 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote: Btw.. i hate hobby lobby, cause my hobbies are not among their priorities (you try finding decent stamp collecting equipment and HO Railroad stuff at HL.. doesnt' happen :) )
Ho Railroad? Is that like this?
I haven't built the redlight district on my tracks yet :)