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RE: UNLV gets APR bowl ban
(04-26-2014 07:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(04-25-2014 12:30 AM)Leargh! Wrote:  UNLV needs to study "How to cheat" at UNC.

If you think no one has ever cheated at UNLV, then you've just outed yourself as someone born after 1991. 03-lmfao

I did say they didn't cheat... But since they are facing sanctions and UNC isn't, I would say they must be very bad at it, hence, they should take cheating lessons from the "Pros." I guess I should have said UNLV needs to study "How to Cheat WELL" at UNC. 05-stirthepot

Hell, UNC has players that barely read, yet they all walk away with degrees! Every school should just install a diploma dispenser and never have to worry about the APR bull**** again. Works for the Car Heels.
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RE: UNLV gets APR bowl ban
Idaho gets an APR-related ban for football as well.

Schools that had their 4-year APR for football below 930 last yer were:

NMSU - 916
UTEP - 917
Idaho - 919
Troy - 921
Louisville - 924
Tennessee - 924
Buffalo - 925
Oklahoma St. - 926
Iowa St. - 928
Tulsa - 929

UNLV was at 932 last year. The article on Idaho indicates that there are probably 3-4 more programs that could be hit with APR bans this year, but they'll trickle in. This would be my guess as to where those names come from.
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RE: UNLV gets APR bowl ban
(04-27-2014 01:57 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Idaho gets an APR-related ban for football as well.

Schools that had their 4-year APR for football below 930 last yer were:

NMSU - 916
UTEP - 917
Idaho - 919
Troy - 921
Louisville - 924
Tennessee - 924
Buffalo - 925
Oklahoma St. - 926
Iowa St. - 928
Tulsa - 929

UNLV was at 932 last year. The article on Idaho indicates that there are probably 3-4 more programs that could be hit with APR bans this year, but they'll trickle in. This would be my guess as to where those names come from.

NMSU and UTEP are schools most in danger. These are scores those schools need to get their 4-year average over 930:

NMSU - 988
UTEP - 981
Troy - 963
Louisville - 936
Tennessee - 952
Buffalo - 969
Oklahoma St - 957
Iowa St - 897
Tulsa - 937

The score required for the two-year average of 940 is lower for a few of these. Oklahoma State needs a 933 to stay eligible under that rule.
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RE: UNLV gets APR bowl ban
(04-27-2014 11:54 AM)prp Wrote:  
(04-27-2014 01:57 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Idaho gets an APR-related ban for football as well.

Schools that had their 4-year APR for football below 930 last yer were:

NMSU - 916
UTEP - 917
Idaho - 919
Troy - 921
Louisville - 924
Tennessee - 924
Buffalo - 925
Oklahoma St. - 926
Iowa St. - 928
Tulsa - 929

UNLV was at 932 last year. The article on Idaho indicates that there are probably 3-4 more programs that could be hit with APR bans this year, but they'll trickle in. This would be my guess as to where those names come from.

NMSU and UTEP are schools most in danger. These are scores those schools need to get their 4-year average over 930:

NMSU - 988
UTEP - 981
Troy - 963
Louisville - 936
Tennessee - 952
Buffalo - 969
Oklahoma St - 957
Iowa St - 897
Tulsa - 937

The score required for the two-year average of 940 is lower for a few of these. Oklahoma State needs a 933 to stay eligible under that rule.

Required scores for two-year average of 940:

NMSU - 987
UTEP - 943
Troy - 978
Louisville - 909
Tennessee - 971
Buffalo - 951
Oklahoma State - 933
Iowa State - 946
Tulsa - 944

I calculated these numbers from the past APR info posted here. Feel free to check my math. NMSU appears to be totally screwed. Troy, Buffalo, and Tennessee have reason to be worried.
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RE: UNLV gets APR bowl ban
(04-27-2014 12:24 PM)prp Wrote:  
(04-27-2014 11:54 AM)prp Wrote:  
(04-27-2014 01:57 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Idaho gets an APR-related ban for football as well.

Schools that had their 4-year APR for football below 930 last yer were:

NMSU - 916
UTEP - 917
Idaho - 919
Troy - 921
Louisville - 924
Tennessee - 924
Buffalo - 925
Oklahoma St. - 926
Iowa St. - 928
Tulsa - 929

UNLV was at 932 last year. The article on Idaho indicates that there are probably 3-4 more programs that could be hit with APR bans this year, but they'll trickle in. This would be my guess as to where those names come from.

NMSU and UTEP are schools most in danger. These are scores those schools need to get their 4-year average over 930:

NMSU - 988
UTEP - 981
Troy - 963
Louisville - 936
Tennessee - 952
Buffalo - 969
Oklahoma St - 957
Iowa St - 897
Tulsa - 937

The score required for the two-year average of 940 is lower for a few of these. Oklahoma State needs a 933 to stay eligible under that rule.

Required scores for two-year average of 940:

NMSU - 987
UTEP - 943
Troy - 978
Louisville - 909
Tennessee - 971
Buffalo - 951
Oklahoma State - 933
Iowa State - 946
Tulsa - 944

I calculated these numbers from the past APR info posted here. Feel free to check my math. NMSU appears to be totally screwed. Troy, Buffalo, and Tennessee have reason to be worried.

Reminds me of Craig James comment on that 30/30 broadcast about the SMU cheating. "Other schools were paying too, but they didn't get as many wins." He was referring to TCU or A&M or both. You would think NMSU would get more wins out of those players.
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RE: UNLV gets APR bowl ban
Actually APR is RARELY about cheating.

The most common causes of APR issues have nothing to do with failing to funnel players into crap classes.

1. Taking chances on players whose academic prowess isn't in line with their academic prowess. This is something that isn't as important to power schools because they have more options in recruiting.

2. Lack of a good academic oversight structure. If you don't figure out Joe Star isn't going to class until the first week of November, its too late to do anything to save him. It costs money to have the people needed to watch that many players closely.

3. Coaching changes. The extreme is Central Arkansas where the new hoops coach released every single player but coaching change normally creates a lot of players not fitting a new system or not liking a new coach and transferring.

4. Losing. Losing football isn't as fun and it is harder to keep the marginal student motivated to dig it out in the classroom and on the field.
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RE: UNLV gets APR bowl ban
(04-27-2014 11:54 AM)prp Wrote:  
(04-27-2014 01:57 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Idaho gets an APR-related ban for football as well.

Schools that had their 4-year APR for football below 930 last yer were:

NMSU - 916
UTEP - 917
Idaho - 919
Troy - 921
Louisville - 924
Tennessee - 924
Buffalo - 925
Oklahoma St. - 926
Iowa St. - 928
Tulsa - 929

UNLV was at 932 last year. The article on Idaho indicates that there are probably 3-4 more programs that could be hit with APR bans this year, but they'll trickle in. This would be my guess as to where those names come from.

NMSU and UTEP are schools most in danger. These are scores those schools need to get their 4-year average over 930:

NMSU - 988
UTEP - 981
Troy - 963
Louisville - 936
Tennessee - 952
Buffalo - 969
Oklahoma St - 957
Iowa St - 897
Tulsa - 937

The score required for the two-year average of 940 is lower for a few of these. Oklahoma State needs a 933 to stay eligible under that rule.

Also of note, 2014-2015 is the last year for the 2year score to be used as a mitigation against a non-compliant 4-year score. Starting in 2015-2016, only the 4-year score will be used.
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(04-24-2014 05:26 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 08:32 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Well someone has to pay the price for Kentucky's poor class work. Every year poor Cleveland State seems to get screwed over do to the fact the NCAA will not stand up to Kentucky, and guess what someone has to pay. LOL

This is some what a inside joke that Louisville fans will get, but I really don't want to explain. I think it's pretty obvious what I am saying. Again someone has to go down, and it's not going to be we know who university for they do no wrong.

Guess thats why Rupp Arena couldn't get the money for the major renovation. The payroll just went Way up with all of the returning players And the Recruiting Class coming in. Cheaper to buy a Championship.

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RE: UNLV gets APR bowl ban
How much they were/are cheating hard to quantify but for $hit sake can you schedule a freakin home football game and keep the date and time. NIU was scheduled to play UNLV on Sat 9/13 until early last week when the MWC & UNLV decided to change it to a Friday nite 9/12 game. O so convenient for the NIU fans who already booked airline flights to Vegas and now have to change/cancel and pay the $100-$150 rebooking fee!
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RE: UNLV gets APR bowl ban
The numbers from the NCAA's APR site and what Idaho's APR reported scores do not match.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/04/26...p=/99/104/
The team had an APR of 971 (out of 1,000) in 2009, 921 in 2010, 881 in 2011 and 838 in 2012.


NCAA APR site for Idaho...
https://web1.ncaa.org/maps/tiwitytilamvmaprRelease.jsp
09-10 - 923
10-11 - 934
11-12 - 919


Its the same thing for UNLV.

Am I reading the NCAA's site wrong?
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(04-28-2014 10:59 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  The numbers from the NCAA's APR site and what Idaho's APR reported scores do not match.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/04/26...p=/99/104/
The team had an APR of 971 (out of 1,000) in 2009, 921 in 2010, 881 in 2011 and 838 in 2012.


NCAA APR site for Idaho...
https://web1.ncaa.org/maps/tiwitytilamvmaprRelease.jsp
09-10 - 923
10-11 - 934
11-12 - 919


Its the same thing for UNLV.

Am I reading the NCAA's site wrong?

Those are the 4 year averages. Click on the link for each year to open up the PDF file the full set up numbers.
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(04-28-2014 11:45 AM)prp Wrote:  
(04-28-2014 10:59 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  The numbers from the NCAA's APR site and what Idaho's APR reported scores do not match.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/04/26...p=/99/104/
The team had an APR of 971 (out of 1,000) in 2009, 921 in 2010, 881 in 2011 and 838 in 2012.


NCAA APR site for Idaho...
https://web1.ncaa.org/maps/tiwitytilamvmaprRelease.jsp
09-10 - 923
10-11 - 934
11-12 - 919


Its the same thing for UNLV.

Am I reading the NCAA's site wrong?

Those are the 4 year averages. Click on the link for each year to open up the PDF file the full set up numbers.

Ah, did not see that link...thanks!
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(04-26-2014 07:48 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  Hell, UNC has players that barely read, yet they all walk away with degrees! Every school should just install a diploma dispenser and never have to worry about the APR bull**** again. Works for the Car Heels.

I've never understood the "everyone graduates" = "good school" theory.
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Looks like Tennessee will avoid sanctions. That's pretty convenient that a school that has never once achieved a score that high got it at exactly the moment it was needed. Also convenient that the same group of students saw their collective score go up by more than 70 points from the fall semester to the spring. 07-coffee3
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(04-28-2014 12:29 PM)prp Wrote:  Looks like Tennessee will avoid sanctions. That's pretty convenient that a school that has never once achieved a score that high got it at exactly the moment it was needed. Also convenient that the same group of students saw their collective score go up by more than 70 points from the fall semester to the spring. 07-coffee3

Ya I had no doubt that Tennessee and Louisville were going to miraculously make the score needed to not get a bowl ban.
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(04-28-2014 12:29 PM)prp Wrote:  Looks like Tennessee will avoid sanctions. That's pretty convenient that a school that has never once achieved a score that high got it at exactly the moment it was needed. Also convenient that the same group of students saw their collective score go up by more than 70 points from the fall semester to the spring. 07-coffee3

Probably not exactly the same group of students. I wonder how many players were encouraged to transfer before their grades were posted.
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(04-28-2014 11:59 AM)Proud Bammer Wrote:  I've never understood the "everyone graduates" = "good school" theory.

EXACTLY! And the dumbasses are still touting their fantastic graduation rates as "evidence" of their innocence. 03-puke
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(04-28-2014 12:29 PM)prp Wrote:  Looks like Tennessee will avoid sanctions. That's pretty convenient that a school that has never once achieved a score that high got it at exactly the moment it was needed. Also convenient that the same group of students saw their collective score go up by more than 70 points from the fall semester to the spring. 07-coffee3

ARP is not a "score" it's a ratio....
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