(04-29-2014 01:27 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:21 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:15 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  So the logic is this...

1 - After the GOP pushed through the civil rights legislation the democrats became the republicans and the republicans became democrats.
2 - Then for 30 years while the old white racists started to get old and die the racist republicans (former democrats living in the south) became more republican
3 - Meanwhile the honorable republicans (now called the democrats) began to dominate a north while that area saw a good deal of it's population move south and west.
4 - ???
5 - Racial Profit!

And I've had people call my belief system a fairy tale

it was the gradual shift from the 60s through the 80s that caused it. kennedy & LBJ (civil rights & great society) were the ones that alienated southern democrats into voting republican.

Here is the problem

1 - Those democrats were dying from the 60's to the 90's (And in the 90's they were still handing EV's to Dems)

2 - Northern's were moving souththrough the 70's and 80's.
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There are a lot of variables here and you are trying to isolate one as being fully responsible for the shift in voting trends. If racial issues alone would have caused the shift it would have been seen in the late 60's and 70's when peoples blood was the hottest and the life long people who supported Jim Crow were still alive.

yeah so it is just a coincide that the south threw their support behind goldwater right after?????

STFU and get a grip. only one time after the civil rights act did the south swing mostly dem.

(04-29-2014 01:32 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:09 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 11:36 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Ahhh...poor baby doesn't like it when he's wrong. Here's the TRUTH. Slavery was Democrats. Jim Crow was Democrats. Opposition to both Civil Rights Acts was Democrats. PERIOD!!!! When this was going down, that was the Democrat party. PERIOD, END OF STORY!! At what point did your party finally build a vocal opposition aimed at that ridiculous part of your party? The answer is never. In fact, the Dems never could tell the Grand Cyclops of the KKK to get out. Instead, they made him the highest ranking full-time member of the Senate.

The GOP has always been for the Constitution and against slavery and various forms of involuntary servitude. In history, the GOP has always gone to fight for the freedom of peoples and has not used people as political pawns. The GOP got rid of slavery and the Dems instituted JIm Crow. The GOP has wanted to improve individuals in community so they could compete on their own and Dems has done nothing but turn inner cities into hellholes!

As to the CRAs ... Here are the votes
CRA of 1957: Those in favor vs opposed House (GOP 167-19, Dems 118-107) and the Senate (GOP 43-0, Dems 29-18)
CRA of 1965: Those in favor vs opposed House (GOP 111-20, Dems 217-54) and the Senate (GOP 30-1, Dems 49-17)

Even with the support of a Democrat President, the Dems couldn't get overwhelming support for the legislation. The GOP did with both a GOP President (Eisenhower) and the Dem one!

Education yourself before you embarrass yourself!!! Maybe if you get banned again, it will give you some time to give it some thought.

you can be a whiny lil ***** all you want. Doesn't change the fact that the political block that now belongs to the republicans was the same political block that blocked civil rights, supported slavery, formed the KKK etc.

it is like conference realignment. doesn't matter what the past history of a conference was, if the schools that were the root cause of the problems left for a new conference ==> that new conference inherits the historical tendency that goes along with it.

you are just a pathetic prick who can't handle the reality that conservatives have always been the ones responsible for the darkest parts of american history. but what's the most pathetic is that you love to pin it on the actual groups who were on the high ground and managed to fix this country. the worst part of all of this is that your justification for thinking this way is your ignorance on historic american political divisions.

You must be smoking crack. But seriously, if you are going to make an argument, (1) get your facts straight and (2) try to speak without sounding like a loud buffoon that curses and shows that he cannot speak without anger, foul language, and personal attacks.

You did take US History? Have you heard of the Lincoln/Douglas debates? Do you remember the Republican Lincoln arguing with the Democrat Douglas against slavery? Do you remember the Emancipation Proclamation written by the Republican. The same Dems that fought for the South in the Civil War started the KKK after they lost the war, including founding member and 1868 Democrat Party delegate Nathan Bedford Forrest. And, as shown above, the solid support against both CRAs were Democrats. And, the creators of Jim Crow laws were Democrats. One of the most revered Progressive Democrats, Woodrow Wilson, segregated federal employees and resegregated the Navy. And, in his spare time, he screened the racist propaganda film, "Birth of a Nation" in the White House!!! The internment camps that wrongfully persecuted thousand of Japanese Americans was instituted by the Democrat FDR. These are FACTS easily verified by looking at an encyclopedia or online.

Liberals like to falsify the narrative and give handouts like candy and say they really do represent people. But the truth of the matter, is that the Democrat Party throughout history has always been the party involved in promoting slavery, racism, and segregation. ALWAYS!!!!

take your ******** trash and stuff it. the dems/republicans of 1860 have literally the exact opposite voting demographics of todays political parties.

the parties change ==> get the **** over it.

CHECKMATE. I'll take your inability to use facts as confirmation of my argument. The truth hurts.

not my fault that your bigotry/ignorance clouds your thought process.

the democratic states that you are talking about spilled blood trying to prevent republican states that you are talking about to rid this country of racism.

Then you have the balls to say that todays dems were the ones responsible for something that your political base was responsible for because you are too dumb to realize that parties change over time.

i mean who in their rightful mind believes slaveholders & segregationists shared the same ideology as progressives/liberals????

oh I know

a couple of partisan hacks who can't handle reality.

(04-29-2014 01:21 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:15 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  So the logic is this...

1 - After the GOP pushed through the civil rights legislation the democrats became the republicans and the republicans became democrats.
2 - Then for 30 years while the old white racists started to get old and die the racist republicans (former democrats living in the south) became more republican
3 - Meanwhile the honorable republicans (now called the democrats) began to dominate a north while that area saw a good deal of it's population move south and west.
4 - ???
5 - Racial Profit!

And I've had people call my belief system a fairy tale

it was the gradual shift from the 60s through the 80s that caused it. kennedy & LBJ (civil rights & great society) were the ones that alienated southern democrats into voting republican.

look at todays republicans

-strongest in the south
-more religious
-conservative
-states rights/smaller govt.
-opposing civil rights legislation

how can anyone argue that they are not the same voting block as the civil war/reconstruction era democrats and the southern dems of the 20th century?

This doesn't even make sense. There are no more racists in the South than the North. In fact, I would argue that racism is greater in the North. Second, it was religion that brought people to understand why slavery and segregation were both wrong. Third, Wilson was a far left Progressive and many in party have never been for Conservatism, which is based on Constitutionalism. Fourth, your beloved racists of the Dem Party could care less for state rights....just as long as they could push their agenda. Nationally would have been better...but, since that couldn't happen they chose to push the other way. You do realize what we historically call civil rights legislation has either been proposed by the GOP or heavily supported. The GOP has always been for eliminating inequality caused by race. Just as the GOP has been against the Democrat Jim Crow laws that treated blacks as second class citizens, they are also against laws that treat people differently because of the color of their skin. Dems today want to call give aways based on skin color "civil rights"...but even an idiot can tell the difference.

(04-29-2014 01:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:27 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:21 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:15 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  So the logic is this...

1 - After the GOP pushed through the civil rights legislation the democrats became the republicans and the republicans became democrats.
2 - Then for 30 years while the old white racists started to get old and die the racist republicans (former democrats living in the south) became more republican
3 - Meanwhile the honorable republicans (now called the democrats) began to dominate a north while that area saw a good deal of it's population move south and west.
4 - ???
5 - Racial Profit!

And I've had people call my belief system a fairy tale

it was the gradual shift from the 60s through the 80s that caused it. kennedy & LBJ (civil rights & great society) were the ones that alienated southern democrats into voting republican.

Here is the problem

1 - Those democrats were dying from the 60's to the 90's (And in the 90's they were still handing EV's to Dems)

2 - Northern's were moving souththrough the 70's and 80's.
----

There are a lot of variables here and you are trying to isolate one as being fully responsible for the shift in voting trends. If racial issues alone would have caused the shift it would have been seen in the late 60's and 70's when peoples blood was the hottest and the life long people who supported Jim Crow were still alive.

yeah so it is just a coincide that the south threw their support behind goldwater right after?????

STFU and get a grip. only one time after the civil rights act did the south swing mostly dem.

Carter won it in 1976 and 1980, and Clinton won it in 1992

(04-29-2014 01:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:32 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:09 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  you can be a whiny lil ***** all you want. Doesn't change the fact that the political block that now belongs to the republicans was the same political block that blocked civil rights, supported slavery, formed the KKK etc.

it is like conference realignment. doesn't matter what the past history of a conference was, if the schools that were the root cause of the problems left for a new conference ==> that new conference inherits the historical tendency that goes along with it.

you are just a pathetic prick who can't handle the reality that conservatives have always been the ones responsible for the darkest parts of american history. but what's the most pathetic is that you love to pin it on the actual groups who were on the high ground and managed to fix this country. the worst part of all of this is that your justification for thinking this way is your ignorance on historic american political divisions.

You must be smoking crack. But seriously, if you are going to make an argument, (1) get your facts straight and (2) try to speak without sounding like a loud buffoon that curses and shows that he cannot speak without anger, foul language, and personal attacks.

You did take US History? Have you heard of the Lincoln/Douglas debates? Do you remember the Republican Lincoln arguing with the Democrat Douglas against slavery? Do you remember the Emancipation Proclamation written by the Republican. The same Dems that fought for the South in the Civil War started the KKK after they lost the war, including founding member and 1868 Democrat Party delegate Nathan Bedford Forrest. And, as shown above, the solid support against both CRAs were Democrats. And, the creators of Jim Crow laws were Democrats. One of the most revered Progressive Democrats, Woodrow Wilson, segregated federal employees and resegregated the Navy. And, in his spare time, he screened the racist propaganda film, "Birth of a Nation" in the White House!!! The internment camps that wrongfully persecuted thousand of Japanese Americans was instituted by the Democrat FDR. These are FACTS easily verified by looking at an encyclopedia or online.

Liberals like to falsify the narrative and give handouts like candy and say they really do represent people. But the truth of the matter, is that the Democrat Party throughout history has always been the party involved in promoting slavery, racism, and segregation. ALWAYS!!!!

take your ******** trash and stuff it. the dems/republicans of 1860 have literally the exact opposite voting demographics of todays political parties.

the parties change ==> get the **** over it.

CHECKMATE. I'll take your inability to use facts as confirmation of my argument. The truth hurts.

not my fault that your bigotry/ignorance clouds your thought process.

the democratic states that you are talking about spilled blood trying to prevent republican states that you are talking about to rid this country of racism.

Then you have the balls to say that todays dems were the ones responsible for something that your political base was responsible for because you are too dumb to realize that parties change over time.

i mean who in their rightful mind believes slaveholders & segregationists shared the same ideology as progressives/liberals????

oh I know

a couple of partisan hacks who can't handle reality.

Again, NO FACTS. I listed a who's who of the Democrat Party above. All elected and all successful in their racist agenda. Not just nutjobs and people running for office....representatives of your party.

IDK...maybe you'll call into question my "middle class white upbringing" again, since you are so fixated on race.

(04-29-2014 01:45 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:32 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:09 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  You must be smoking crack. But seriously, if you are going to make an argument, (1) get your facts straight and (2) try to speak without sounding like a loud buffoon that curses and shows that he cannot speak without anger, foul language, and personal attacks.

You did take US History? Have you heard of the Lincoln/Douglas debates? Do you remember the Republican Lincoln arguing with the Democrat Douglas against slavery? Do you remember the Emancipation Proclamation written by the Republican. The same Dems that fought for the South in the Civil War started the KKK after they lost the war, including founding member and 1868 Democrat Party delegate Nathan Bedford Forrest. And, as shown above, the solid support against both CRAs were Democrats. And, the creators of Jim Crow laws were Democrats. One of the most revered Progressive Democrats, Woodrow Wilson, segregated federal employees and resegregated the Navy. And, in his spare time, he screened the racist propaganda film, "Birth of a Nation" in the White House!!! The internment camps that wrongfully persecuted thousand of Japanese Americans was instituted by the Democrat FDR. These are FACTS easily verified by looking at an encyclopedia or online.

Liberals like to falsify the narrative and give handouts like candy and say they really do represent people. But the truth of the matter, is that the Democrat Party throughout history has always been the party involved in promoting slavery, racism, and segregation. ALWAYS!!!!

take your ******** trash and stuff it. the dems/republicans of 1860 have literally the exact opposite voting demographics of todays political parties.

the parties change ==> get the **** over it.

CHECKMATE. I'll take your inability to use facts as confirmation of my argument. The truth hurts.

not my fault that your bigotry/ignorance clouds your thought process.

the democratic states that you are talking about spilled blood trying to prevent republican states that you are talking about to rid this country of racism.

Then you have the balls to say that todays dems were the ones responsible for something that your political base was responsible for because you are too dumb to realize that parties change over time.

i mean who in their rightful mind believes slaveholders & segregationists shared the same ideology as progressives/liberals????

oh I know

a couple of partisan hacks who can't handle reality.

Again, NO FACTS. I stated a who's who of the Democrat Party above. All elected and all successful in their racist agenda.

IDK...maybe you'll call into question my "middle class white upbringing" again, since you are so fixated on race.

so you honestly believe that slaveowners were progressives...........

(04-29-2014 01:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:27 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:21 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:15 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  So the logic is this...

1 - After the GOP pushed through the civil rights legislation the democrats became the republicans and the republicans became democrats.
2 - Then for 30 years while the old white racists started to get old and die the racist republicans (former democrats living in the south) became more republican
3 - Meanwhile the honorable republicans (now called the democrats) began to dominate a north while that area saw a good deal of it's population move south and west.
4 - ???
5 - Racial Profit!

And I've had people call my belief system a fairy tale

it was the gradual shift from the 60s through the 80s that caused it. kennedy & LBJ (civil rights & great society) were the ones that alienated southern democrats into voting republican.

Here is the problem

1 - Those democrats were dying from the 60's to the 90's (And in the 90's they were still handing EV's to Dems)

2 - Northern's were moving souththrough the 70's and 80's.
----

There are a lot of variables here and you are trying to isolate one as being fully responsible for the shift in voting trends. If racial issues alone would have caused the shift it would have been seen in the late 60's and 70's when peoples blood was the hottest and the life long people who supported Jim Crow were still alive.

yeah so it is just a coincide that the south threw their support behind goldwater right after?????

STFU and get a grip. only one time after the civil rights act did the south swing mostly dem.

Carter won it in 1976 and 1980, and Clinton won it in 1992

clinton carried his home state, but most of the south went red in 92/96

and are you serious about 1980? GA, MD, & WV were the only "southern" area's that went dem.

(04-29-2014 01:48 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:27 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:21 PM)john01992 Wrote:  it was the gradual shift from the 60s through the 80s that caused it. kennedy & LBJ (civil rights & great society) were the ones that alienated southern democrats into voting republican.

Here is the problem

1 - Those democrats were dying from the 60's to the 90's (And in the 90's they were still handing EV's to Dems)

2 - Northern's were moving souththrough the 70's and 80's.
----

There are a lot of variables here and you are trying to isolate one as being fully responsible for the shift in voting trends. If racial issues alone would have caused the shift it would have been seen in the late 60's and 70's when peoples blood was the hottest and the life long people who supported Jim Crow were still alive.

yeah so it is just a coincide that the south threw their support behind goldwater right after?????

STFU and get a grip. only one time after the civil rights act did the south swing mostly dem.

Carter won it in 1976 and 1980, and Clinton won it in 1992

clinton carried his home state, but most of the south went red in 92/96

and are you serious about 1980? GA, MD, & WV were the only "southern" area's that went dem.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? GA, MD, WV, and MN WERE THE ONLY STATES THAT WENT DEM IN 1980 (MN was the only one in '84) !!!!!

In 92, the South was Dem. VA, NC, SC, MS, AL went GOP. KY,WV, TN, GA, LA, AR, MO (and MD) went for Clinton, the Dem.

In 96, only GA flipped...so, still more for Dems or a split at best!
Those are the verifiable FACTS!!!

(04-29-2014 01:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so you honestly believe that slaveowners were progressives...........

I know slaveowners were not in the GOP as they voted overwhelmingly AGAINST our guy, Lincoln.

Your side calls Woodrow Wilson one the greatest progressives. He was for segregation (probably for slavery). He segregated the federal gov't and the re-segregated the Navy. He screened "Birth of a Nation" AT THE WHITE HOUSE!!! Look at it and tell me if that isn't one of the most racist, offensive movies of all-time!! As stated by PBS, "After seeing the film, an enthusiastic Wilson reportedly remarked: 'It is like writing history with lightning, and my only regret is that it is all so terribly true.'"





I think if your side calls Wilson a progressive, then it wouldn't be too much of a deductively reasoned stretch to say slaveowners would be as well.