Jeb doesn't have my vote because of his last name. Same with Hillary. We have to move on.

(04-22-2014 08:53 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  I think many Conservatives look at the immigration issue incorrectly.

Latino immigrants are predominantly Catholic, family-oriented, and hard-working.

I've mentioned this before...there was a public radio show a few years back that pretty much dispelled that myth.

I looked for a link, but couldn't find it, so I can't reference it.

Anyway, it's nonsense.

Quote:I am no fan of the Kennedys, Bushes, etc., but saying "deport them all" is a loser.

Why? Other countries do it.

(04-22-2014 08:53 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  I think many Conservatives look at the immigration issue incorrectly.

Latino immigrants are predominantly Catholic, family-oriented, and hard-working. While their method of entry to the US deserves a "penalty", I would much rather welcome this group as aspiring Americans than those who have less similarities as mainstream Americans. I am no fan of the Kennedys, Bushes, etc., but saying "deport them all" is a loser. A well-thought out path to citizenship that does no rely upon government handouts could create a new class of Social Security, Medicaid, and federal tax payers that could help sustain these bloated systems. The key is to maintain the work and family ethic of these folks in the process.

My parallel comparison is the filipino community. They have assimilated well, maintain strong family and Christiain ties, get their kids educated, and as a whole, and are a benefit to the communities in which they reside (of course, some bad apples in every group). I'd personally much prefer another wave of similar citizens vice the Central Asian faroffastans, etc. where the cultural similarities are more remote.

Smitty, in our area, this is true. I don't know if they are legal, illegal, or what, but the Mexicans in Norfolk and Newport News are only about 3% of the population and are generally wonderful people that are religious and family oriented and want to assimilate. I don't believe that is the case throughout much of Texas, California, New York, Washington, or even Richmond. This isn't really that big of an issue for me because they aren't a problem here. Most of them attend our parish and, part of the Plaza Azteca dynasty, and their kids want to play with mine.

(04-23-2014 07:34 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 08:53 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  I think many Conservatives look at the immigration issue incorrectly.

Latino immigrants are predominantly Catholic, family-oriented, and hard-working.

I've mentioned this before...there was a public radio show a few years back that pretty much dispelled that myth.

I looked for a link, but couldn't find it, so I can't reference it.

Anyway, it's nonsense.

Quote:I am no fan of the Kennedys, Bushes, etc., but saying "deport them all" is a loser.

Why? Other countries do it.

Other democracies? They deport them ALL?

(04-22-2014 10:18 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 10:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Native Georgian I have read that also and that is good news.

Here is the bottom line guys: We need a candidate that will stand up there and say...

"I am going to enforce our laws. That means cracking down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants, cracking down on the underground fraudulent document industry with more fool proof legal identification, I am going to secure our border with a functional wall, while snuffing out corrupt border control agencies. I am ending food stamp programs for illegal immigrants regardless if they have had children on our soil. I am also going after banks that give undocumented immigrants mortgage loans and renters will now be required to check residency. We are a nation of laws and it is about time we enforced them."

Then the questions to surely follow will be sob stories about families being torn apart and what are we going to do with the people already here.

"I am going to do nothing about the people who are still here. They chose to enter our country illegally, bypassing those who choose to immigrate into this country through legal means. I am taking away all incentives that make than an attractive option. There will be no more reasons for undocumented workers to remain in the United States.

and of course they will be asked about how this stance will bode with Hispanic voters and how they plan on winning that electorate.

"I do not believe that Hispanic Americans, because of their cultural background, collectively want amnesty for undocumented immigrants. I find that question extremely bigoted because you are suggesting that an entire group of hard working Americans, that you have classified into one large group is in favor of people breaking our laws. I was also not aware that all undocumented immigrants are Hispanic. Are you aware sir/ma'am that Hispanics make up many different cultures from many different origins? I suggest you educate yourself on what "Hispanic" means. I believe most Hispanics are like most Americans and want people to immigrate to the United States through our legal process.

Done. No more bs..on to the next topic.

The only thing I would add to your excellent post is that I'd offer a one-way ticket to way-down-south Mexico City to any illegal who can't afford to GTFO. If an illegal has no way of getting back to where he came from he'll never go and might turn to crime. Once Mexico City is full of repatriated illegals they may think twice about giving them books on how to sneak into this country.

agreed. Another problem we have is the massive amount of uneducated immigrants that think we stole California and the southwest from Mexico. They feel entitled or that they own this already coming in.

It's not going to change guys until we stop playing the politically correct game.

As of now, here's what the GOP field will probably look like (no real order):

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush
First Term Sen. Ted Cruz
First Term Sen. Rand Paul
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal
Former Sen. Rick Santorum
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee
Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry
Former US Ambassador and Utah Gov Jon Huntsman
Former VP Candidate Rep. Paul Ryan

I think Huntsman is the missed opportunity for the GOP.

I think that just about whoever wins, R or D, is going to be a monumental improvement.

Christie.

(04-23-2014 09:15 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think that just about whoever wins, R or D, is going to be a monumental improvement.

No sir. Hillary will be a continuation.

(04-23-2014 10:46 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 09:15 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think that just about whoever wins, R or D, is going to be a monumental improvement.

No sir. Hillary will be a continuation.

No, Hillary would be a monumental improvement. Particularly if she listens to Bill, maybe less so if she proves more adept at moving things through congress than Obama has.

Hillary is a liberal democrat. Obama is a socialist/communist. That makes Hillary miles better.

(04-23-2014 08:21 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 10:18 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 10:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Native Georgian I have read that also and that is good news.

Here is the bottom line guys: We need a candidate that will stand up there and say...

"I am going to enforce our laws. That means cracking down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants, cracking down on the underground fraudulent document industry with more fool proof legal identification, I am going to secure our border with a functional wall, while snuffing out corrupt border control agencies. I am ending food stamp programs for illegal immigrants regardless if they have had children on our soil. I am also going after banks that give undocumented immigrants mortgage loans and renters will now be required to check residency. We are a nation of laws and it is about time we enforced them."

Then the questions to surely follow will be sob stories about families being torn apart and what are we going to do with the people already here.

"I am going to do nothing about the people who are still here. They chose to enter our country illegally, bypassing those who choose to immigrate into this country through legal means. I am taking away all incentives that make than an attractive option. There will be no more reasons for undocumented workers to remain in the United States.

and of course they will be asked about how this stance will bode with Hispanic voters and how they plan on winning that electorate.

"I do not believe that Hispanic Americans, because of their cultural background, collectively want amnesty for undocumented immigrants. I find that question extremely bigoted because you are suggesting that an entire group of hard working Americans, that you have classified into one large group is in favor of people breaking our laws. I was also not aware that all undocumented immigrants are Hispanic. Are you aware sir/ma'am that Hispanics make up many different cultures from many different origins? I suggest you educate yourself on what "Hispanic" means. I believe most Hispanics are like most Americans and want people to immigrate to the United States through our legal process.

Done. No more bs..on to the next topic.

The only thing I would add to your excellent post is that I'd offer a one-way ticket to way-down-south Mexico City to any illegal who can't afford to GTFO. If an illegal has no way of getting back to where he came from he'll never go and might turn to crime. Once Mexico City is full of repatriated illegals they may think twice about giving them books on how to sneak into this country.

agreed. Another problem we have is the massive amount of uneducated immigrants that think we stole California and the southwest from Mexico. They feel entitled or that they own this already coming in.

Dixie, a good post on immigration. The other thing I think we need to do is get way more efficient at allowing "guest workers" in if there is a need for their labor. If it's fairly easy to get in, I think they would be much more likely to go through the process and we will at least know who is coming in. In the agriculture world, the immigrants actually do a ton of need work - it should be fairly easy for them to go back and forth.

You are however correct - we have to remove the incentives, you can't incentivize a behavior on one hand and then expect people to stop that behavior. It's ignoring human nature.

(04-23-2014 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  No, Hillary would be a monumental improvement. Particularly if she listens to Bill

I don't really agree with that, but I at least understand the point of view you're expressing. Then there's this:

Quote:maybe less so if she proves more adept at moving things through congress than Obama has.

What?

(04-23-2014 11:18 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  maybe less so if she proves more adept at moving things through congress than Obama has.

What?

The very best thing about Obama is that he's been so inept in working with congress that very little of his campaign agenda has passed. The worry with Hillary would be that she might be able to get some of her agenda through congress.

(04-23-2014 11:51 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:18 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  maybe less so if she proves more adept at moving things through congress than Obama has.

What?

The very best thing about Obama is that he's been so inept in working with congress that very little of his campaign agenda has passed. The worry with Hillary would be that she might be able to get some of her agenda through congress.

She would be worse. She would be a continuation of the implosion. We must do whatever it takes to put a GOP in the White House for 2016. There is no other option.

Poll: Just 1 In 4 Republicans Want Jeb Bush To Run For President, Many Slam As “RINO”…



Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, considering a 2016 presidential bid, does not have the support of his party’s base, with just one in four Republicans eager for him to run and an even worse 18 percent of self-identified conservatives backing his bid.

With the GOP considering a slew of conservative potential candidates, including former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Sens. Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, a new Economist/YouGov poll found that among the right, Bush is considered too moderate.

A word bubble produced by the poll showed the hurdles he faces entering the presidential race. The acronym RINO, or “Republican in name only,” is prominent, as is “legacy” and “Bush,” and the polling firm said that the public isn’t keen on having a third Bush presidency. [...]

“Bush’s ideology — or lack of it — forms part of his overall Image,” said the poll memo. “‘Moderate’ is one of the positive words people use to describe Bush; but it is also one of the words used by those who have an unfavorable view of the former governor. So is the acronym ‘RINO,’ Republican in name only. ‘Conservative’ appears hardly at all among those with positive views of Bush, but it is there among those who dislike him,” it added.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2547594

(04-23-2014 11:59 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:51 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 11:18 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  maybe less so if she proves more adept at moving things through congress than Obama has.

What?

The very best thing about Obama is that he's been so inept in working with congress that very little of his campaign agenda has passed. The worry with Hillary would be that she might be able to get some of her agenda through congress.

She would be worse. She would be a continuation of the implosion. We must do whatever it takes to put a GOP in the White House for 2016. There is no other option.

^ This is the problem with Americans..."us" and "them" mentality.

(04-23-2014 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 10:46 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 09:15 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think that just about whoever wins, R or D, is going to be a monumental improvement.

No sir. Hillary will be a continuation.

No, Hillary would be a monumental improvement. Particularly if she listens to Bill, maybe less so if she proves more adept at moving things through congress than Obama has.

Hillary is a liberal democrat. Obama is a socialist/communist. That makes Hillary miles better.

No, Bill is a liberal democrat. Hillary is a socialist/communist. This is well documented in her own words. Google her thesis at Wellsley.

(04-23-2014 12:27 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 10:46 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 09:15 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think that just about whoever wins, R or D, is going to be a monumental improvement.

No sir. Hillary will be a continuation.

No, Hillary would be a monumental improvement. Particularly if she listens to Bill, maybe less so if she proves more adept at moving things through congress than Obama has.

Hillary is a liberal democrat. Obama is a socialist/communist. That makes Hillary miles better.

No, Bill is a liberal democrat. Hillary is a socialist/communist. This is well documented in her own words. Google her thesis at Wellsley.

What was that, 40 something years ago? Opinions change, people grow up and grow older...

(04-23-2014 12:30 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 12:27 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 10:46 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 09:15 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think that just about whoever wins, R or D, is going to be a monumental improvement.

No sir. Hillary will be a continuation.

No, Hillary would be a monumental improvement. Particularly if she listens to Bill, maybe less so if she proves more adept at moving things through congress than Obama has.

Hillary is a liberal democrat. Obama is a socialist/communist. That makes Hillary miles better.

No, Bill is a liberal democrat. Hillary is a socialist/communist. This is well documented in her own words. Google her thesis at Wellsley.

What was that, 40 something years ago? Opinions change, people grow up and grow older...

Maybe a little... and they certainly get better about filtering out what they can't say, but I believe she is a socialist at heart. Whether or not Bill can control her is another question, but he had his 2 terms.