Pretty sure men's program will lose another freshman this off season.that leaves 4 scholarships to fill in a short recruiting period= offers to players not properly evaluated.

We have the laziest coaching staff simply put. The lack of paying attention to detail is comical. It's actually annoying never hearing good news from men's program.
Just depressing.

I think Brady is a decent coach and I give him credit for finding lightening in a bottle and getting the NCAAs last year, however, from the outside looking in it seems that is program is 'adrift at sea' and no one in leading the program/controlling it and leading it.

I think I know what needs to happen - a house-cleaning, but that is not gonna happen unless JMU can dismiss for cause by not meeting APR guidelines. Other than that happening we are gonna need to ride this ship out.

laughable

It appears that making that NCAA Tournament may have been the worst thing to happen to this program long term....although the idea of a lame duck season is equally as terrible.

(04-22-2014 09:34 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  I think Brady is a decent coach and I give him credit for finding lightening in a bottle and getting the NCAAs last year, however, from the outside looking in it seems that is program is 'adrift at sea' and no one in leading the program/controlling it and leading it.

I think I know what needs to happen - a house-cleaning, but that is not gonna happen unless JMU can dismiss for cause by not meeting APR guidelines. Other than that happening we are gonna need to ride this ship out.

House-cleaning needs to start from the top of the house with respect to athletics. Unreal.

(04-22-2014 09:36 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  It appears that making that NCAA Tournament may have been the worst thing to happen to this program long term....although the idea of a lame duck season is equally as terrible.

I said that exact comment at the time. The NCAA tourney run was fun, but it really set us back 5 years.

This is simply tragic. Do we have to use the scholarships? Why not just play walk-ons and save the cash? The walk-ons might actually stick around for more than one year as well.

And, just to recap the notes from the past two days---

now we have another player leaving, and one seemingly who is going to be suspended for failing a test.

(04-22-2014 09:42 AM)brizzock Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 09:36 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  It appears that making that NCAA Tournament may have been the worst thing to happen to this program long term....although the idea of a lame duck season is equally as terrible.

I said that exact comment at the time. The NCAA tourney run was fun, but it really set us back 5 years.

This is simply tragic. Do we have to use the scholarships? Why not just play walk-ons and save the cash? The walk-ons might actually stick around for more than one year as well.

I've said it before... What's ironic, JMU winning the CAA did more harm than good.

Unless its Dalembert a freshman leaving is probably not the worst thing in the world.

(04-22-2014 09:42 AM)brizzock Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 09:36 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  It appears that making that NCAA Tournament may have been the worst thing to happen to this program long term....although the idea of a lame duck season is equally as terrible.

I said that exact comment at the time. The NCAA tourney run was fun, but it really set us back 5 years.

This is simply tragic. Do we have to use the scholarships? Why not just play walk-ons and save the cash? The walk-ons might actually stick around for more than one year as well.

As sad as it is I think you are correct. It sucks when making the NCAAs is bad for the program, smh.

(04-22-2014 09:44 AM)UofRfan Wrote:  Unless its Dalembert a freshman leaving is probably not the worst thing in the world.

my guess would be dalembert and its grade related.

I don't think making the NCAA's was bad for the program. But putting a coach in a lame duck position to recruit a ton of frosh flat out put everyone in a position to fail. Let alone the weak footing the program was on before that. Could have just as easily lost to WM in the last game of regular season when Nation was suspended 1H and you were losing by 20, and faced Drexel in first round and lost.

Be glad they found lightining in a bottle last year, its very hard to make the tournament even when you have the best team in the league.

(04-22-2014 09:54 AM)UofRfan Wrote:  I don't think making the NCAA's was bad for the program. But putting a coach in a lame duck position to recruit a ton of frosh flat put everyone in a position to fail. Let alone the weak footing the program was on before that. Could have just as easily lost to WM in the last game of regular season when Nation was suspended 1H and you were losing by 20, and faced Drexel in first round and lost.

Be glad they found lightining in a bottle last year, its very hard to make the tournament even when you have the best team in the league.

yep. That was a horrible decision by the admin. At the time, they should have either fired Brady, or extended him. But a lame duck season for any coach is a recruiting killer.

(04-22-2014 09:55 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 09:54 AM)UofRfan Wrote:  I don't think making the NCAA's was bad for the program. But putting a coach in a lame duck position to recruit a ton of frosh flat put everyone in a position to fail. Let alone the weak footing the program was on before that. Could have just as easily lost to WM in the last game of regular season when Nation was suspended 1H and you were losing by 20, and faced Drexel in first round and lost.

Be glad they found lightining in a bottle last year, its very hard to make the tournament even when you have the best team in the league.

yep. That was a horrible decision by the admin. At the time, they should have either fired Brady, or extended him. But a lame duck season for any coach is a recruiting killer.

I agree, but it would have been better to fire him.

(04-22-2014 09:56 AM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 09:55 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 09:54 AM)UofRfan Wrote:  I don't think making the NCAA's was bad for the program. But putting a coach in a lame duck position to recruit a ton of frosh flat put everyone in a position to fail. Let alone the weak footing the program was on before that. Could have just as easily lost to WM in the last game of regular season when Nation was suspended 1H and you were losing by 20, and faced Drexel in first round and lost.

Be glad they found lightining in a bottle last year, its very hard to make the tournament even when you have the best team in the league.

yep. That was a horrible decision by the admin. At the time, they should have either fired Brady, or extended him. But a lame duck season for any coach is a recruiting killer.

I agree, but it would have been better to fire him.

I agree. I was very vocal on here at the time about how big a mistake it was to not do one or the other. Fire him. or extend him. Either one would have been fine with me. But the choice of doing nothing was the worst.

all you have to do is compare the recruits we got in the fall versus the ones we got in the spring after Brady was extended.

Fall: Rivard, Satkus, Kent
Spring: Dalembert, Vodanovich, Lukic

it's pretty clear the spring recruits were a higher caliber. Lukic hasn't shown much, but he had some very good programs after him, including GMU who wanted him bad.

that is completely a reflection on the contract status. How could Brady or the assistants go into a recruit's home that fall and look them in the eye and say they would even be their coach? They couldn't. What recruit would sign up for that? None that have any other good offers, that's for sure.

(04-22-2014 09:46 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 09:44 AM)UofRfan Wrote:  Unless its Dalembert a freshman leaving is probably not the worst thing in the world.

my guess would be dalembert and its grade related.

I'm not even speculating but if so I wouldn't be shocked that a kid who grew up in Haiti would struggle at JMU.

(04-22-2014 09:29 AM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  Pretty sure men's program will lose another freshman this off season.that leaves 4 scholarships to fill in a short recruiting period= offers to players not properly evaluated.

We have the laziest coaching staff simply put. The lack of paying attention to detail is comical. It's actually annoying never hearing good news from men's program.
Just depressing.

I wouldn't call them the laziest without exact reasoning. I would find it hard to believe they don't fully evaluate the talent. All it entails is watching them play and checking academics.

Still have to remember athletes have responsibility also. It's very easy to blame the staff, but athletes have to hold up their end , even when it's very difficult.

If this is true, how long and to what length can Alger/Bourne keep it out of the newspaper?

(04-22-2014 10:28 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  If this is true, how long and to what length can Alger/Bourne keep it out of the newspaper?

Since it's the DNR I think we all can say time is on Alger/Bourne side..

No one on current roster is facing any suspension for next season as of now.
The freshman leaving or facing ineligibility is solid student, if you look around on euro basketball boards you will figure it out.