(04-20-2014 02:44 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 02:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 01:39 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I like what coach Sampson is rapidly building here in Houston... Impressive.

UCONN
SMU
CINCINNATI
MEMPHIS
HOUSTON
USF
TEMPLE

... Nice

TULSA?

Exactly. The Hurricane go in there as well.

Sorry guys... Yes, Tulsa absolutely belongs on that list

nice quote from weary's dad about picking UH
"Mostly for Eric to get better he had to play against some of the best & that conference is tough."

(04-20-2014 09:46 PM)pesik Wrote:  nice quote from weary's dad about picking UH
"Mostly for Eric to get better he had to play against some of the best & that conference is tough."

I'll go ahead and say it. I'm afraid ECU hoops is beyond f****d in this league.

I like those signings. Guards with size on them that could rough some midget opponents up, sorta like those old Seattle Supersonic teams with Glove, Gill, Pierce, McMillan, et al. Still some work to do, but this season could be worth watching up close and personal.

(04-20-2014 11:10 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I'll go ahead and say it. I'm afraid ECU hoops is beyond f****d in this league.

Or maybe this is the shot in the arm that gets ECU basketball moving up the ranks. I do agree short term looks daunting not just for ECU but also Tulane. I have seen several ECU fans post some positive stuff in regards to this years team so maybe they will surprise. I do think this league will help them with recruiting so only time will tell.

(04-21-2014 07:48 AM)PT_american Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 11:10 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I'll go ahead and say it. I'm afraid ECU hoops is beyond f****d in this league.

Or maybe this is the shot in the arm that gets ECU basketball moving up the ranks. I do agree short term looks daunting not just for ECU but also Tulane. I have seen several ECU fans post some positive stuff in regards to this years team so maybe they will surprise. I do think this league will help them with recruiting so only time will tell.

I'm optimistic for sure. That's in ECU hoops terms. Bottom line is we have an uphill battle and I think you MIGHT be right about the shot in the arm. Problem for us is we don't have tradition or Tulsa, SMU or Tulane money. Being in a major metro helps the other schools a lot.

(04-20-2014 11:18 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Graham will average 15-18ppg next season. Great player, great get.

The guy averaged

12.9ppg
2.0rpg
0.8apg

in juco's. If he's averaging more at Houston their team will likely sucks worse than his JUCO team.

I can see ECU and Tulane losing all meaningful non conf games by significant double digits and then pulling off a home upset that ruins a conf mate's chances of an NCAA tourney bid with the dreaded bad loss

(04-21-2014 09:13 AM)shocknawe Wrote:  I can see ECU and Tulane losing all meaningful non conf games by significant double digits and then pulling off a home upset that ruins a conf mate's chances of an NCAA tourney bid with the dreaded bad loss

The last ECU graduating class's average RPI the 4 years was #145.

Our RPI last year was bad but we were a lot better OOC. #142 ranked OOC RPI last year so we wouldn't have hurt the AAC much.

If a loss to a 145 ranked team ruins your season you don't have much of a resume anyway

If #145 is the worst RPI in this conference on the bottom it will be a hell of a conference.

(04-21-2014 09:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 11:18 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Graham will average 15-18ppg next season. Great player, great get.

The guy averaged

12.9ppg
2.0rpg
0.8apg

in juco's. If he's averaging more at Houston their team will likely sucks worse than his JUCO team.

Graham is the real deal.

(04-21-2014 07:48 AM)PT_american Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 11:10 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I'll go ahead and say it. I'm afraid ECU hoops is beyond f****d in this league.

Or maybe this is the shot in the arm that gets ECU basketball moving up the ranks. I do agree short term looks daunting not just for ECU but also Tulane. I have seen several ECU fans post some positive stuff in regards to this years team so maybe they will surprise. I do think this league will help them with recruiting so only time will tell.

Just 2 years ago we had one of the best overall seasons in the AAC.

#14 Memphis
#40 Temple
#47 UConn
#49 Cincy
#67 ECU
#101 UCF

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/rpi

It shouldn't surprise anyone if Lebo can stop bleeding transfers and attrition.

(04-21-2014 09:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 11:18 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Graham will average 15-18ppg next season. Great player, great get.

The guy averaged

12.9ppg
2.0rpg
0.8apg

in juco's. If he's averaging more at Houston their team will likely sucks worse than his JUCO team.

first of do you guys even do any remote research before posting, chipola JC had 3 top jc prospects, torin was the #3 ranked JC but their team also had the #1 JC aswell Cinmeon Bowers

and kevin durant averaged more in okc than he did in utexas, so im guessing texas is better? and kyrie irving missed half his season at duke, but he averaged more points in his rookie year in cleveland than he did in the games he played at duke, so duke was better than a proteam?. that notion is ridiculous. teams have different coaching styles, different players, different chemistry etc.

joe young our best player 2 years ago transferred to oregon scored more points a game at oregon, so your saying our 2012 team that wasn't good enough for the NIT is better than a highly seeded ncaa oregon team?

also torian average 12.9 because he was suspended and had to work of the bench when he came back, he had numerous 28+ games before he was suspended

(04-21-2014 09:52 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 09:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 11:18 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Graham will average 15-18ppg next season. Great player, great get.

The guy averaged

12.9ppg
2.0rpg
0.8apg

in juco's. If he's averaging more at Houston their team will likely sucks worse than his JUCO team.

first of do you guys even do any remote research before posting, chipola JC had 3 top jc prospects, torin was the #3 ranked JC but their team also had the #1 JC aswell Cinmeon Bowers

and kevin durant averaged more in okc than he did in utexas, so im guessing texas is better? and kyrie irving missed half his season at duke, but he averaged more points in his rookie year in cleveland than he did in the games he played at duke, so duke was better than a proteam?. that notion is ridiculous. teams have different coaching styles, different players, different chemistry etc.

joe young our best player 2 years ago transferred to oregon scored more points a game at oregon, so your saying our 2012 team that wasn't good enough for the NIT is better than a highly seeded ncaa oregon team?

also torian average 12.9 because he was suspended and had to work of the bench when he came back, he had numerous 28+ games before he was suspended

Don't mind him. All he does is look at numbers. Probably never even seen a game.

(04-21-2014 09:13 AM)shocknawe Wrote:  I can see ECU and Tulane losing all meaningful non conf games by significant double digits and then pulling off a home upset that ruins a conf mate's chances of an NCAA tourney bid with the dreaded bad loss

I seriously doubt that ECU will lose by significant double digits to non conference opponents. I think that Duke, UNC and NC State are meaningful non conference opponents; and ECU played them all very well. ECU lost to Duke by 9 points and to NC State by 11 points on their home floors; and it took game ending free throws for those teams to beat ECU. In 2012 ECU only lost by 6 points at UNC; in a game that was decided in the final seconds.

I see these type of comments written by posters and I realize that they really haven't seen the Pirates much since Lebo has been there. Lebo's team always play hard, but the problem has been that players have ended up leaving the program or getting injured for significant periods of time. The AAC will be tough, but if Lebo has a full roster then I think that his team will surprise.

(04-21-2014 09:52 AM)pesik Wrote:  first of do you guys even do any remote research before posting, chipola JC had 3 top jc prospects, torin was the #3 ranked JC but their team also had the #1 JC aswell Cinmeon Bowers

Sure, I did. His freshman numbers were

7.2ppg
34% FG
19% 3's

if you want more uninspiring data I looked up. He averaged about what ECU player Shamarr Bowden did when he was playing on a top ranked Chipola a couple years ago if you even want a comp. I'm familiar with Chipola.

Quote:and kevin durant averaged more in okc than he did in utexas, so im guessing texas is better?

Did you even think about this irrational comparison? In the NBA you play 8 more minutes a game and top players routinely push 40 minutes, and the big thing is you have a 24 second shot clock. The average # of possessions is far greater as were the minutes he played. It's also not like he came into the NBA dropping and efficient 30ppg. It took him several years to grow into that kind of player.

Quote:and kyrie irving missed half his season at duke, but he averaged more points in his rookie year in cleveland than he did in the games he played at duke, so duke was better than a proteam?.

again, different game, different shot clock, different. JUCO and D1 doesn't have the same differences, not to mention he was the #1 pick for a reason. The team was $hit and needed someone to shoot.

Quote:joe young our best player 2 years ago transferred to oregon scored more points a game at oregon, so your saying our 2012 team that wasn't good enough for the NIT is better than a highly seeded ncaa oregon team? also torian average 12.9 because he was suspended and had to work of the bench when he came back, he had numerous 28+ games before he was suspended

It's certainly possible players improve. Just look at Torian's total $hit freshman year. Expecting a guy to go from 13ppg in JUCO to 18 in the AAC is a stretch though. Especially when he already bombed when he moved up a level from high school to Junior College.

(04-21-2014 10:37 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 09:52 AM)pesik Wrote:  first of do you guys even do any remote research before posting, chipola JC had 3 top jc prospects, torin was the #3 ranked JC but their team also had the #1 JC aswell Cinmeon Bowers

Sure, I did. His freshman numbers were

7.2ppg
34% FG
19% 3's

if you want more uninspiring data. He averaged about what ECU player Shamarr Bowden did when he was playing on a top ranked Chipola a couple years ago if you even want a comp. I'm familiar with Chipola.

Quote:and kevin durant averaged more in okc than he did in utexas, so im guessing texas is better?

Did you even think about this irrational comparison? In the NBA you play 8 more minutes a game and top players routinely push 40 minutes, and the big thing is you have a 24 second shot clock. The average # of possessions is far greater as were the minutes he played. It's also not like he came into the NBA dropping and efficient 30ppg. It took him several years to grow into that kind of player.

Quote:and kyrie irving missed half his season at duke, but he averaged more points in his rookie year in cleveland than he did in the games he played at duke, so duke was better than a proteam?.

again, different game, different shot clock, different. JUCO and D1 doesn't have the same differences, not to mention he was the #1 pick for a reason. The team was $hit and needed someone to shoot.

Quote:joe young our best player 2 years ago transferred to oregon scored more points a game at oregon, so your saying our 2012 team that wasn't good enough for the NIT is better than a highly seeded ncaa oregon team? also torian average 12.9 because he was suspended and had to work of the bench when he came back, he had numerous 28+ games before he was suspended

It's certainly possible players improve. Just look at Torian's total $hit freshman year. Expecting a guy to go from 13ppg in JUCO to 18 in the AAC is a joke though. Especially when he already bombed when he moved up a level from high school to Junior College.

what doesn't get through your skull, he was averaging 25 before his suspension/MJ arrest and was being persuaded by every major college (including kentucky who only recruits elite). he dropped to 12 because he was relegated to bench when he returned to the team

and again different team different chemistry, aka cincy is a defensive team that does like 50- 60 a game,other are offensive teams and average like 80-90. the stupid notion of increase of points equating to your previous team being better is foolish

you are trying to trash talk him but EVERY major recruiting site has him as a decently rated 4star recruit, im curios how he bombed when his rating increased after high school to JC
http://247sports.com/Player/Torian-Graham-8156

here's some footage of him pre-suspension (talks about his point production)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l9yG4SMGuc

and you are ridiculous, i realize this is just stemming back to our argument about you wanting to believe ecu has a better roster than UH but get over it. only A ECU homer would think that

(04-21-2014 11:03 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 10:37 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 09:52 AM)pesik Wrote:  first of do you guys even do any remote research before posting, chipola JC had 3 top jc prospects, torin was the #3 ranked JC but their team also had the #1 JC aswell Cinmeon Bowers

Sure, I did. His freshman numbers were

7.2ppg
34% FG
19% 3's

if you want more uninspiring data. He averaged about what ECU player Shamarr Bowden did when he was playing on a top ranked Chipola a couple years ago if you even want a comp. I'm familiar with Chipola.

Quote:and kevin durant averaged more in okc than he did in utexas, so im guessing texas is better?

Did you even think about this irrational comparison? In the NBA you play 8 more minutes a game and top players routinely push 40 minutes, and the big thing is you have a 24 second shot clock. The average # of possessions is far greater as were the minutes he played. It's also not like he came into the NBA dropping and efficient 30ppg. It took him several years to grow into that kind of player.

Quote:and kyrie irving missed half his season at duke, but he averaged more points in his rookie year in cleveland than he did in the games he played at duke, so duke was better than a proteam?.

again, different game, different shot clock, different. JUCO and D1 doesn't have the same differences, not to mention he was the #1 pick for a reason. The team was $hit and needed someone to shoot.

Quote:joe young our best player 2 years ago transferred to oregon scored more points a game at oregon, so your saying our 2012 team that wasn't good enough for the NIT is better than a highly seeded ncaa oregon team? also torian average 12.9 because he was suspended and had to work of the bench when he came back, he had numerous 28+ games before he was suspended

It's certainly possible players improve. Just look at Torian's total $hit freshman year. Expecting a guy to go from 13ppg in JUCO to 18 in the AAC is a joke though. Especially when he already bombed when he moved up a level from high school to Junior College.

what doesn't get through your skull, he was averaging 25 before his suspension/MJ arrest and was being persuaded by every major college (including kentucky who only recruits elite). he dropped to 12 because he was relegated to bench when he returned to the team

and again different team different chemistry, aka cincy is a defensive team that does like 50- 60 a game,other are offensive teams and average like 80-90. the stupid notion of increase of points equating to your previous team being better is foolish

you are trying to trash talk him but EVERY major recruiting site has him as a decently rated 4star recruit, im curios how he bombed when his rating increased after high school to JC
http://247sports.com/Player/Torian-Graham-8156

here's some footage of him pre-suspension (talks about his point production)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l9yG4SMGuc

and you are ridiculous, i realize this is just stemming back to our argument about you wanting to believe ecu has a better roster than UH but get over it. only A ECU homer would think that

Please dont let him cast a negative light on ECU. I wish the Pirates didn't get dragged into SJ arguments.

Not even sure why hes arguing about this.

(04-21-2014 11:18 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Please dont let him cast a negative light on ECU. I wish the Pirates didn't get dragged into SJ arguments.

Not even sure why hes arguing about this.

on a different thread he was arguing ecu will have a better roster than UH after losing house and thomas (despite still having 2 4star's still on our team). now he's trying to downplay our latest addition to keep his point alive

(04-21-2014 11:03 AM)pesik Wrote:  what doesn't get through your skull, he was averaging 25 before his suspension/MJ arrest

So 4 friggen games makes him a super stud. GTFO.

Quote:you are trying to trash talk him but EVERY major recruiting site has him as a decently rated 4star recruit, im curios how he bombed when his rating increased after high school to JC
http://247sports.com/Player/Torian-Graham-8156

He shot 34% from the floor and 19% from 3. That's absolutely pathetic at any level his first season.

Quote:here's some footage of him pre-suspension (talks about his point production)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l9yG4SMGuc

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