(04-21-2014 04:39 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 04:19 PM)golf4501 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 03:06 PM)7 Wrote:  I think you completely misunderstand what NIU does on offense if you think it needs to become less complex. I would say NIU runs as basic of an offense as anyone in college football. Most/all no huddle teams sacrifice complexity for speed.

If you think Lynch was going back and going through some complex set of reads, you're out of your mind. I can promise you the majority of plays called were as basic of reads as you'll ever see. Lynch was really good at a lot of things, but thinking isn't one of them. It's why you saw the read option pretty much dropped from NIU's playbook the last two years.

I was at X's and O's and what you summarized is exactly what Coach Cole said. All plays are basically off of what the safety is doing.

And if Lynch didn't run through people, set numerous rushing records where would NIU have been? Where would NIU have been w/o him last season. You saw the toll it took n his body. Most mortals would not have taken his punishment andplyed, let alone rack up the stats.

Faking an end around/jet sweep is meaningless if you don't have the speed. That was seen late in the season. No one was getting fooled, noone was biting, WR didn't merit special coverage. You isiolate those guys, mix it up. Perhaps complexity isn't the right choise of words, rather run some more standard plays. Don'tthink from day one any QB's ability physically or ability to read a defense is gong to lift NIU. No way from whatthat game showed. If they same plays are run and the QB needs to scramble, or make a quick decision to run in a read, my belief is that the outcome isn't going to be whatit has been for the last 4 yrs. Hey, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the playmaking ability, let alone quick decision making by any of these QB. Whatever supposed inablity Lynch had to read a def was made up in his decision to see what was offered and run.He threw a decent long ball to open things up for somethings. Don't see the 1st on this team, the later TBD.

There's no doubt NIU got very predictable toward the end of last year, but I think that had as much to do with WR injuries as much as anything. Without Tommy and Da'Ron NIU was just an ungodly slow offense. Nobody needed to respect anything running wide or deep because nobody could beat people. Which is why I didn't/don't understand people saying how deep NIU is at WR.

If you go back and watch the bowl game, ESPN shows it a few times. All Utah State did was double Tommy in the slot, played Da'Ron (hurt) and Canada (slow) man to man and stacked the run.

I don't mean for it to sound like a knock on Lynch, because the man was just a freak athletically and as tough of an SOB as you're going to see. However, I really don't expect the offense to fall off that much. You're going to see less QB power and more read option, and then you can add in play action off of read option. Then you add in Daniels (more speed) along with hopefully a healthy Tommy and Da'Ron, and a year older Turner and you're gonna be able to do things you couldn't last year.

And Cam was pretty much useless in the passing game (won't be the same with Akeem this year) so when he's in the game there's nothing to respect. They just weren't a very versatile offense last year. Which tells you how ungodly good Lynch is that they still broke every record known to man.

(04-21-2014 06:45 PM)7 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 04:39 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 04:19 PM)golf4501 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 03:06 PM)7 Wrote:  I think you completely misunderstand what NIU does on offense if you think it needs to become less complex. I would say NIU runs as basic of an offense as anyone in college football. Most/all no huddle teams sacrifice complexity for speed.

If you think Lynch was going back and going through some complex set of reads, you're out of your mind. I can promise you the majority of plays called were as basic of reads as you'll ever see. Lynch was really good at a lot of things, but thinking isn't one of them. It's why you saw the read option pretty much dropped from NIU's playbook the last two years.

I was at X's and O's and what you summarized is exactly what Coach Cole said. All plays are basically off of what the safety is doing.

And if Lynch didn't run through people, set numerous rushing records where would NIU have been? Where would NIU have been w/o him last season. You saw the toll it took n his body. Most mortals would not have taken his punishment andplyed, let alone rack up the stats.

Faking an end around/jet sweep is meaningless if you don't have the speed. That was seen late in the season. No one was getting fooled, noone was biting, WR didn't merit special coverage. You isiolate those guys, mix it up. Perhaps complexity isn't the right choise of words, rather run some more standard plays. Don'tthink from day one any QB's ability physically or ability to read a defense is gong to lift NIU. No way from whatthat game showed. If they same plays are run and the QB needs to scramble, or make a quick decision to run in a read, my belief is that the outcome isn't going to be whatit has been for the last 4 yrs. Hey, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the playmaking ability, let alone quick decision making by any of these QB. Whatever supposed inablity Lynch had to read a def was made up in his decision to see what was offered and run.He threw a decent long ball to open things up for somethings. Don't see the 1st on this team, the later TBD.

There's no doubt NIU got very predictable toward the end of last year, but I think that had as much to do with WR injuries as much as anything. Without Tommy and Da'Ron NIU was just an ungodly slow offense. Nobody needed to respect anything running wide or deep because nobody could beat people. Which is why I didn't/don't understand people saying how deep NIU is at WR.

If you go back and watch the bowl game, ESPN shows it a few times. All Utah State did was double Tommy in the slot, played Da'Ron (hurt) and Canada (slow) man to man and stacked the run.

I don't mean for it to sound like a knock on Lynch, because the man was just a freak athletically and as tough of an SOB as you're going to see. However, I really don't expect the offense to fall off that much. You're going to see less QB power and more read option, and then you can add in play action off of read option. Then you add in Daniels (more speed) along with hopefully a healthy Tommy and Da'Ron, and a year older Turner and you're gonna be able to do things you couldn't last year.

And Cam was pretty much useless in the passing game (won't be the same with Akeem this year) so when he's in the game there's nothing to respect. They just weren't a very versatile offense last year. Which tells you how ungodly good Lynch is that they still broke every record known to man.

Play actions don't work that well when the QB is not good at passing unfortunately. Durability is another issue, we may need 4 QB's on the field before its all said and done.

I'll be very surprised if the next guy isn't a better passer than Lynch.

Durability concern is very real, though. Solution to that one is clearly to play the 18 year old freshman.

UHHH ERRRR

(04-21-2014 07:28 PM)7 Wrote:  I'll be very surprised if the next guy isn't a better passer than Lynch.

Durability concern is very real, though. Solution to that one is clearly to play the 18 year old freshman.

UHHH ERRRR

Well there is a better chance he wouldn't have to run the ball 40 times a game lol, he could last longer.

(04-21-2014 07:30 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 07:28 PM)7 Wrote:  I'll be very surprised if the next guy isn't a better passer than Lynch.

Durability concern is very real, though. Solution to that one is clearly to play the 18 year old freshman.

UHHH ERRRR

Well there is a better chance he wouldn't have to run the ball 40 times a game lol, he could last longer.

Lynch was old school and tough as nails, not sure we will ever see a QB that durable who could take that type of punishment week in and week out again

(04-21-2014 06:45 PM)7 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 04:39 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 04:19 PM)golf4501 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 03:06 PM)7 Wrote:  I think you completely misunderstand what NIU does on offense if you think it needs to become less complex. I would say NIU runs as basic of an offense as anyone in college football. Most/all no huddle teams sacrifice complexity for speed.

If you think Lynch was going back and going through some complex set of reads, you're out of your mind. I can promise you the majority of plays called were as basic of reads as you'll ever see. Lynch was really good at a lot of things, but thinking isn't one of them. It's why you saw the read option pretty much dropped from NIU's playbook the last two years.

I was at X's and O's and what you summarized is exactly what Coach Cole said. All plays are basically off of what the safety is doing.

And if Lynch didn't run through people, set numerous rushing records where would NIU have been? Where would NIU have been w/o him last season. You saw the toll it took n his body. Most mortals would not have taken his punishment andplyed, let alone rack up the stats.

Faking an end around/jet sweep is meaningless if you don't have the speed. That was seen late in the season. No one was getting fooled, noone was biting, WR didn't merit special coverage. You isiolate those guys, mix it up. Perhaps complexity isn't the right choise of words, rather run some more standard plays. Don'tthink from day one any QB's ability physically or ability to read a defense is gong to lift NIU. No way from whatthat game showed. If they same plays are run and the QB needs to scramble, or make a quick decision to run in a read, my belief is that the outcome isn't going to be whatit has been for the last 4 yrs. Hey, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the playmaking ability, let alone quick decision making by any of these QB. Whatever supposed inablity Lynch had to read a def was made up in his decision to see what was offered and run.He threw a decent long ball to open things up for somethings. Don't see the 1st on this team, the later TBD.

There's no doubt NIU got very predictable toward the end of last year, but I think that had as much to do with WR injuries as much as anything. Without Tommy and Da'Ron NIU was just an ungodly slow offense. Nobody needed to respect anything running wide or deep because nobody could beat people. Which is why I didn't/don't understand people saying how deep NIU is at WR.

If you go back and watch the bowl game, ESPN shows it a few times. All Utah State did was double Tommy in the slot, played Da'Ron (hurt) and Canada (slow) man to man and stacked the run.

I don't mean for it to sound like a knock on Lynch, because the man was just a freak athletically and as tough of an SOB as you're going to see. However, I really don't expect the offense to fall off that much. You're going to see less QB power and more read option, and then you can add in play action off of read option. Then you add in Daniels (more speed) along with hopefully a healthy Tommy and Da'Ron, and a year older Turner and you're gonna be able to do things you couldn't last year.

And Cam was pretty much useless in the passing game (won't be the same with Akeem this year) so when he's in the game there's nothing to respect. They just weren't a very versatile offense last year. Which tells you how ungodly good Lynch is that they still broke every record known to man.

The NIU offense became predictable because Lynch couldn't throw...So you had to go with what worked Lynch running.. Though this is where I have an issue with play calling last year, was that they didn't use stingly until they got a lead or were so far behind it didn't matter. Everyone knew Lynch was just going to run the ball all 3 downs(except for bubble screens)..

I think the offense gets better this year because you won't be able to key on one player.. And the QB can pass, not Andrew Luck but it will seem like it compared to Lynch.

I am not sure how Man to man shut down CANADA when the guys he was up against were 5" shorter.. Lynch couldn't put the ball where it needed to go..

I wish there was a way to watch that game again..

(04-21-2014 09:43 PM)cartershaw Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 06:45 PM)7 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 04:39 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 04:19 PM)golf4501 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 03:06 PM)7 Wrote:  I think you completely misunderstand what NIU does on offense if you think it needs to become less complex. I would say NIU runs as basic of an offense as anyone in college football. Most/all no huddle teams sacrifice complexity for speed.

If you think Lynch was going back and going through some complex set of reads, you're out of your mind. I can promise you the majority of plays called were as basic of reads as you'll ever see. Lynch was really good at a lot of things, but thinking isn't one of them. It's why you saw the read option pretty much dropped from NIU's playbook the last two years.

I was at X's and O's and what you summarized is exactly what Coach Cole said. All plays are basically off of what the safety is doing.

And if Lynch didn't run through people, set numerous rushing records where would NIU have been? Where would NIU have been w/o him last season. You saw the toll it took n his body. Most mortals would not have taken his punishment andplyed, let alone rack up the stats.

Faking an end around/jet sweep is meaningless if you don't have the speed. That was seen late in the season. No one was getting fooled, noone was biting, WR didn't merit special coverage. You isiolate those guys, mix it up. Perhaps complexity isn't the right choise of words, rather run some more standard plays. Don'tthink from day one any QB's ability physically or ability to read a defense is gong to lift NIU. No way from whatthat game showed. If they same plays are run and the QB needs to scramble, or make a quick decision to run in a read, my belief is that the outcome isn't going to be whatit has been for the last 4 yrs. Hey, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the playmaking ability, let alone quick decision making by any of these QB. Whatever supposed inablity Lynch had to read a def was made up in his decision to see what was offered and run.He threw a decent long ball to open things up for somethings. Don't see the 1st on this team, the later TBD.

There's no doubt NIU got very predictable toward the end of last year, but I think that had as much to do with WR injuries as much as anything. Without Tommy and Da'Ron NIU was just an ungodly slow offense. Nobody needed to respect anything running wide or deep because nobody could beat people. Which is why I didn't/don't understand people saying how deep NIU is at WR.

If you go back and watch the bowl game, ESPN shows it a few times. All Utah State did was double Tommy in the slot, played Da'Ron (hurt) and Canada (slow) man to man and stacked the run.

I don't mean for it to sound like a knock on Lynch, because the man was just a freak athletically and as tough of an SOB as you're going to see. However, I really don't expect the offense to fall off that much. You're going to see less QB power and more read option, and then you can add in play action off of read option. Then you add in Daniels (more speed) along with hopefully a healthy Tommy and Da'Ron, and a year older Turner and you're gonna be able to do things you couldn't last year.

And Cam was pretty much useless in the passing game (won't be the same with Akeem this year) so when he's in the game there's nothing to respect. They just weren't a very versatile offense last year. Which tells you how ungodly good Lynch is that they still broke every record known to man.

The NIU offense became predictable because Lynch couldn't throw...So you had to go with what worked Lynch running.. Though this is where I have an issue with play calling last year, was that they didn't use stingly until they got a lead or were so far behind it didn't matter. Everyone knew Lynch was just going to run the ball all 3 downs(except for bubble screens)..

I think the offense gets better this year because you won't be able to key on one player.. And the QB can pass, not Andrew Luck but it will seem like it compared to Lynch.

I am not sure how Man to man shut down CANADA when the guys he was up against were 5" shorter.. Lynch couldn't put the ball where it needed to go..

I wish there was a way to watch that game again..

Lynch could throw, I just think Brown and Lewis were not their normal selves and couldn't get open with injuries. Hard to go into games vs BGSU and Utah St with your higher impact players that banged up. And BGSU and Utah St were sure some of the best defensive units NIU saw all year. Carr from Fresno said Utah St was the best defense he has ever faced. Pretty big statement.

Probably said that before the USC game lol

Utah State defense was legit, no question.

I was out of town on business yesterday, so I haven't seen this thread discussing the spring game. I'm going to throw my 2 cents in.....

I have to admit that I concentrated mainly on QB play. I was tremendously disappointed with all 3 QB's. First of all, none of them have a big arm. We will have DaRon Brown and TLL that can break away from defenders downfield and none of these guys can get them the ball. That takes a big punch out of our offense. We will not be able to stretch the field..... I was also not impressed with the way that all 3 took leadership of the offense. At various times during the scrimmage, they looked lost . None of them took charge..... I was disappointed with each QB's short passing game as well. They were off target on many throws and did not seem to know the offense.

On the other hand, I was impressed by the way the Defense got after the ball. They seemed to be far ahead of the offense at this time. The D line is not very big, but they look quick and will have to win battles with their quickness. The LB's are aggressive also. They really seem to mix it up and they look tough. I don't think that the DB's have had to worry about the long pass, so they looked good sticking to the receivers.

I know that we've all been spoiled during the Harnish and Lynch years, but I really hope that these current QB's turn the corner between now and August 28th or we're going to be in for a long season in 2014.

(04-21-2014 06:45 PM)7 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 04:39 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 04:19 PM)golf4501 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 03:06 PM)7 Wrote:  I think you completely misunderstand what NIU does on offense if you think it needs to become less complex. I would say NIU runs as basic of an offense as anyone in college football. Most/all no huddle teams sacrifice complexity for speed.

If you think Lynch was going back and going through some complex set of reads, you're out of your mind. I can promise you the majority of plays called were as basic of reads as you'll ever see. Lynch was really good at a lot of things, but thinking isn't one of them. It's why you saw the read option pretty much dropped from NIU's playbook the last two years.

I was at X's and O's and what you summarized is exactly what Coach Cole said. All plays are basically off of what the safety is doing.

And if Lynch didn't run through people, set numerous rushing records where would NIU have been? Where would NIU have been w/o him last season. You saw the toll it took n his body. Most mortals would not have taken his punishment andplyed, let alone rack up the stats.

Faking an end around/jet sweep is meaningless if you don't have the speed. That was seen late in the season. No one was getting fooled, noone was biting, WR didn't merit special coverage. You isiolate those guys, mix it up. Perhaps complexity isn't the right choise of words, rather run some more standard plays. Don'tthink from day one any QB's ability physically or ability to read a defense is gong to lift NIU. No way from whatthat game showed. If they same plays are run and the QB needs to scramble, or make a quick decision to run in a read, my belief is that the outcome isn't going to be whatit has been for the last 4 yrs. Hey, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the playmaking ability, let alone quick decision making by any of these QB. Whatever supposed inablity Lynch had to read a def was made up in his decision to see what was offered and run.He threw a decent long ball to open things up for somethings. Don't see the 1st on this team, the later TBD.

There's no doubt NIU got very predictable toward the end of last year, but I think that had as much to do with WR injuries as much as anything. Without Tommy and Da'Ron NIU was just an ungodly slow offense. Nobody needed to respect anything running wide or deep because nobody could beat people. Which is why I didn't/don't understand people saying how deep NIU is at WR.

If you go back and watch the bowl game, ESPN shows it a few times. All Utah State did was double Tommy in the slot, played Da'Ron (hurt) and Canada (slow) man to man and stacked the run.

I don't mean for it to sound like a knock on Lynch, because the man was just a freak athletically and as tough of an SOB as you're going to see. However, I really don't expect the offense to fall off that much. You're going to see less QB power and more read option, and then you can add in play action off of read option. Then you add in Daniels (more speed) along with hopefully a healthy Tommy and Da'Ron, and a year older Turner and you're gonna be able to do things you couldn't last year.

And Cam was pretty much useless in the passing game (won't be the same with Akeem this year) so when he's in the game there's nothing to respect. They just weren't a very versatile offense last year. Which tells you how ungodly good Lynch is that they still broke every record known to man.

now this post i totally agree with. a somewaht lack of depth at the end of last season hurt us in the MACC and bowl game. Therefore the O did become a little predictable and had to rely on JL too much and the Defenses knew that. We will be 7 deep at RB this yr and I noticed on the spring game roster we had 17 OL.

(04-21-2014 09:43 PM)cartershaw Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 06:45 PM)7 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 04:39 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 04:19 PM)golf4501 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 03:06 PM)7 Wrote:  I think you completely misunderstand what NIU does on offense if you think it needs to become less complex. I would say NIU runs as basic of an offense as anyone in college football. Most/all no huddle teams sacrifice complexity for speed.

If you think Lynch was going back and going through some complex set of reads, you're out of your mind. I can promise you the majority of plays called were as basic of reads as you'll ever see. Lynch was really good at a lot of things, but thinking isn't one of them. It's why you saw the read option pretty much dropped from NIU's playbook the last two years.

I was at X's and O's and what you summarized is exactly what Coach Cole said. All plays are basically off of what the safety is doing.

And if Lynch didn't run through people, set numerous rushing records where would NIU have been? Where would NIU have been w/o him last season. You saw the toll it took n his body. Most mortals would not have taken his punishment andplyed, let alone rack up the stats.

Faking an end around/jet sweep is meaningless if you don't have the speed. That was seen late in the season. No one was getting fooled, noone was biting, WR didn't merit special coverage. You isiolate those guys, mix it up. Perhaps complexity isn't the right choise of words, rather run some more standard plays. Don'tthink from day one any QB's ability physically or ability to read a defense is gong to lift NIU. No way from whatthat game showed. If they same plays are run and the QB needs to scramble, or make a quick decision to run in a read, my belief is that the outcome isn't going to be whatit has been for the last 4 yrs. Hey, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the playmaking ability, let alone quick decision making by any of these QB. Whatever supposed inablity Lynch had to read a def was made up in his decision to see what was offered and run.He threw a decent long ball to open things up for somethings. Don't see the 1st on this team, the later TBD.

There's no doubt NIU got very predictable toward the end of last year, but I think that had as much to do with WR injuries as much as anything. Without Tommy and Da'Ron NIU was just an ungodly slow offense. Nobody needed to respect anything running wide or deep because nobody could beat people. Which is why I didn't/don't understand people saying how deep NIU is at WR.

If you go back and watch the bowl game, ESPN shows it a few times. All Utah State did was double Tommy in the slot, played Da'Ron (hurt) and Canada (slow) man to man and stacked the run.

I don't mean for it to sound like a knock on Lynch, because the man was just a freak athletically and as tough of an SOB as you're going to see. However, I really don't expect the offense to fall off that much. You're going to see less QB power and more read option, and then you can add in play action off of read option. Then you add in Daniels (more speed) along with hopefully a healthy Tommy and Da'Ron, and a year older Turner and you're gonna be able to do things you couldn't last year.

And Cam was pretty much useless in the passing game (won't be the same with Akeem this year) so when he's in the game there's nothing to respect. They just weren't a very versatile offense last year. Which tells you how ungodly good Lynch is that they still broke every record known to man.

The NIU offense became predictable because Lynch couldn't throw..

Career Passing Stats
Year Team G Cmp Att Comp % Yds Yd/A TDs Int Sacked Yds
2010 NIU 9 4 6 66.7 13 2.2 1 0 0 0
2011 NIU 13 15 20 75.0 166 8.3 1 0 1 7
2012 NIU 14 237 394 60.2 3138 8.0 25 6 17 81
2013 NIU 14 253 404 62.6 2892 7.2 24 8 11 65
Career 50 509 824 61.8 6209 7.5 51 14 29 153

Would love to see Lynch's stats on throws 10 yards down the field or more...doubt I'll be able to find those though.

(04-22-2014 08:39 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  Would love to see Lynch's stats on throws 10 yards down the field or more...doubt I'll be able to find those though.

Try this - go to youtube, enter Jordan Lynch passing, watch the highlights of him putting the ball on the money 30 - 40 yards downfield.

(04-22-2014 08:50 AM)sarasotahuskie Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 08:39 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  Would love to see Lynch's stats on throws 10 yards down the field or more...doubt I'll be able to find those though.

Try this - go to youtube, enter Jordan Lynch passing, watch the highlights of him putting the ball on the money 30 - 40 yards downfield.

Cmon Sarasota, highlight tapes are just that, their best plays. All quarterbacks have them.

Lynch has a decent arm, but he's not very accurate. I'm not sure people realize how QB friendly NIU's system is. I guess we'll find out in September.

Not sure we can tell the strengths of the QBs arms from that spring game. They were throwing into the wind, probably could have thrown it farther, but just underestimated the wind.

(04-22-2014 09:16 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Not sure we can tell the strengths of the QBs arms from that spring game. They were throwing into the wind, probably could have thrown it farther, but just underestimated the wind.

If you read my assessment of the spring game on the previous page of this thread, my opinion is that none of the 3 QB's can throw the long pass. I watched them at length during warmup drills and none of them threw a tight ball and their accuracy was poor. The reps in the game showed me the same thing. We have TLL and DaRon Brown that can beat the DB's downfield and we will not be able to get them the ball in my opinion.

(04-22-2014 09:23 AM)HuskieTom51 Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 09:16 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Not sure we can tell the strengths of the QBs arms from that spring game. They were throwing into the wind, probably could have thrown it farther, but just underestimated the wind.

If you read my assessment of the spring game on the previous page of this thread, my opinion is that none of the 3 QB's can throw the long pass. I watched them at length during warmup drills and none of them threw a tight ball and their accuracy was poor. The reps in the game showed me the same thing. We have TLL and DaRon Brown that can beat the DB's downfield and we will not be able to get them the ball in my opinion.

I didn't see the warmup drills, so I can only hope you're wrong. I always thought Hare had a decent arm. But I haven't been watching the practices so IDK.

(04-21-2014 06:41 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Ironically, on Grudens QB camp yesterday when they did a short Lynch segment Gruden called the NIU offense insane

In a good way or bad way?