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Well it worked for USF...if Memphis joins the Big East their level of recruit would go up assuming their coach isn't horrible. Kids are label conscious.
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HLT 2011 Wrote:Point being, if given the chance, we would do the same. Memphis has long been a sleeping giant. We have the recruits in our backyard to get it done. A BCS conference is all we need to keep them here.

Your area is CROWDED with big-time SEC programs. Why go to Memphis if you can go to Arkansas, Tennessee, or Ole Miss?

It's hard to fathom how BE membership would alter that calculus much.

You obviously have never been to the mid-south. The city of Memphis is the metropolitan hub for the area. Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Miss St are in the middle of no where, and Tennessee is a 6 hour drive. The same way that USF is able to recruit because people are drawn to the city of Tampa, is the same way they will be drawn to Memphis. In addition to the fact the you have a large African-American population that would love to stay in Memphis or come to Memphis.

You must have missed the part where i asked "how would BCS membership by Memphis alter that calculus much"?

Hey don't get me wrong: I've visited the Memphis campus twice, for about 3 days each time. I loved my time there. Very pretty campus, tight-knit collegiate community, great urban location (ok, there's a ghettoish area on one side, but that's easily avoidable), but with lots of parks and pretty magnolias nearby, and very good facilities. And the Liberty Bowl is an excellent football field.

But that's stuff Memphis already has.

Hard to believe that Memphis is chock-full of blue-chip African-American athletes saying to themselves "i'd LOVE to stay here in Memphis, but Memphis isn't in a BCS conference so i'm packing for Fayettville instead"...

I counted 14 players on Ole Miss and 9 players from Miss St. from Memphis or suburb of Memphis. Univ of Memphis had 29. The blue chip guys usually go to UT, Alabama, or Arkansas. Remember Albert Means?
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The blue chip guys go to SEC programs because they have a better chance at competing for a meaningful championship there. BCS affiliation does that. Memphis doesn't have it. The SEC programs do...
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bitcruncher Wrote:The blue chip guys go to SEC programs because they have a better chance at competing for a meaningful championship there. BCS affiliation does that. Memphis doesn't have it. The SEC programs do...

I agree that, all else equal, one of those Memphis area blue-chip recruits that fimbizzle says currently go to SEC schools would rather go to a "bcs" school than a "non-bcs" school. So if it was a choice between going to Memphis-CUSA or Memphis-Big East, he'd choose the Memphis that is a member of the Big East.

But, in the real world, the kid wouldn't be facing a choice of Memphis-CUSA versus Memphis-Big East, it's Memphis versus ... Tennessee or Alabama. And Memphis-BE over either seems extremely doubtful.

And as i noted above, the BCS system has actually been GREAT for Memphis and other similar low-tier programs. Whoever heard of Utah, Boise, Fresno, or Hawaii before the BCS era began? It's opened all kinds of doors to play on the big stage for the Memphis-level programs.
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Memphis is always going to be at a disadvantage to Tennessee and Alabama. But so's most of the rest of the nation...
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bitcruncher Wrote:The blue chip guys go to SEC programs because they have a better chance at competing for a meaningful championship there. BCS affiliation does that. Memphis doesn't have it. The SEC programs do...

I agree that, all else equal, one of those Memphis area blue-chip recruits that fimbizzle says currently go to SEC schools would rather go to a "bcs" school than a "non-bcs" school. So if it was a choice between going to Memphis-CUSA or Memphis-Big East, he'd choose the Memphis that is a member of the Big East.

But, in the real world, the kid wouldn't be facing a choice of Memphis-CUSA versus Memphis-Big East, it's Memphis versus ... Tennessee or Alabama. And Memphis-BE over either seems extremely doubtful.

And as i noted above, the BCS system has actually been GREAT for Memphis and other similar low-tier programs. Whoever heard of Utah, Boise, Fresno, or Hawaii before the BCS era began? It's opened all kinds of doors to play on the big stage for the Memphis-level programs.

So USF over Miami
USF over UF
USF over FSU

So these all seem highly doubtful too?
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TexanMark Wrote:
quo vadis Wrote:
bitcruncher Wrote:The blue chip guys go to SEC programs because they have a better chance at competing for a meaningful championship there. BCS affiliation does that. Memphis doesn't have it. The SEC programs do...

I agree that, all else equal, one of those Memphis area blue-chip recruits that fimbizzle says currently go to SEC schools would rather go to a "bcs" school than a "non-bcs" school. So if it was a choice between going to Memphis-CUSA or Memphis-Big East, he'd choose the Memphis that is a member of the Big East.

But, in the real world, the kid wouldn't be facing a choice of Memphis-CUSA versus Memphis-Big East, it's Memphis versus ... Tennessee or Alabama. And Memphis-BE over either seems extremely doubtful.

And as i noted above, the BCS system has actually been GREAT for Memphis and other similar low-tier programs. Whoever heard of Utah, Boise, Fresno, or Hawaii before the BCS era began? It's opened all kinds of doors to play on the big stage for the Memphis-level programs.

So USF over Miami
US over UF
US over FSU

So these all seem highly doubtful too?

About 15 posts up, i explained USF's recruiting situation vis-a-vis these programs.
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bitcruncher Wrote:The blue chip guys go to SEC programs because they have a better chance at competing for a meaningful championship there. BCS affiliation does that. Memphis doesn't have it. The SEC programs do...

I agree that, all else equal, one of those Memphis area blue-chip recruits that fimbizzle says currently go to SEC schools would rather go to a "bcs" school than a "non-bcs" school. So if it was a choice between going to Memphis-CUSA or Memphis-Big East, he'd choose the Memphis that is a member of the Big East.

But, in the real world, the kid wouldn't be facing a choice of Memphis-CUSA versus Memphis-Big East, it's Memphis versus ... Tennessee or Alabama. And Memphis-BE over either seems extremely doubtful.

And as i noted above, the BCS system has actually been GREAT for Memphis and other similar low-tier programs. Whoever heard of Utah, Boise, Fresno, or Hawaii before the BCS era began? It's opened all kinds of doors to play on the big stage for the Memphis-level programs.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.
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bitcruncher Wrote:The blue chip guys go to SEC programs because they have a better chance at competing for a meaningful championship there. BCS affiliation does that. Memphis doesn't have it. The SEC programs do...

I agree that, all else equal, one of those Memphis area blue-chip recruits that fimbizzle says currently go to SEC schools would rather go to a "bcs" school than a "non-bcs" school. So if it was a choice between going to Memphis-CUSA or Memphis-Big East, he'd choose the Memphis that is a member of the Big East.

But, in the real world, the kid wouldn't be facing a choice of Memphis-CUSA versus Memphis-Big East, it's Memphis versus ... Tennessee or Alabama. And Memphis-BE over either seems extremely doubtful.

And as i noted above, the BCS system has actually been GREAT for Memphis and other similar low-tier programs. Whoever heard of Utah, Boise, Fresno, or Hawaii before the BCS era began? It's opened all kinds of doors to play on the big stage for the Memphis-level programs.

Ask one of the Cincy or Louisville if they haven't recruited better against Ohio State, or Kentucky.
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Tennessee has lost a couple of recruits to Louisville, and it upset the folks here in Knoxville that a kid would choose UofL over the Vols. Imagine the nerve of those kids...

I thought it was funny as hell seeing these fans get upset by that... 03-lmfao
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quo vadis Wrote:
bitcruncher Wrote:The blue chip guys go to SEC programs because they have a better chance at competing for a meaningful championship there. BCS affiliation does that. Memphis doesn't have it. The SEC programs do...

I agree that, all else equal, one of those Memphis area blue-chip recruits that fimbizzle says currently go to SEC schools would rather go to a "bcs" school than a "non-bcs" school. So if it was a choice between going to Memphis-CUSA or Memphis-Big East, he'd choose the Memphis that is a member of the Big East.

But, in the real world, the kid wouldn't be facing a choice of Memphis-CUSA versus Memphis-Big East, it's Memphis versus ... Tennessee or Alabama. And Memphis-BE over either seems extremely doubtful.

And as i noted above, the BCS system has actually been GREAT for Memphis and other similar low-tier programs. Whoever heard of Utah, Boise, Fresno, or Hawaii before the BCS era began? It's opened all kinds of doors to play on the big stage for the Memphis-level programs.

Ask one of the Cincy or Louisville if they haven't recruited better against Ohio State, or Kentucky.

I don't know. Here are the team recruiting rankings from Rivals.com for UL, Cincy, and UK since 2002, which covers before UL/UC joined the BE, and after (no need to do tOSU since they are consistently in the top 10 the whole time):

UK, starting in 2002 and through 2008: 94, 63, 45, 67, 36, 54, 57

So we see that Kentucky was really bad in 2002, then improved significantly, and has since settled down in to the 50s range.

UC: 100, 92, 80, 94, 102, 89, 67

So we see that UC was consistently bad, between 80 and 100, before and after joining the BE, until 2008, when they moved up to 67. If anything, they were improving before joining the BE (02-04), then fell back somewhat, before last year's surge up to 67.

UL: 59, 35, 64, 45, 34, 41, 55

Hard to figure UL. They surge from 59 to 35 between 02 and 03 when not a BE member, then fall back to 64, then surge up to 34 after joining the BE, but now have fallen back to the 50s.

Overall, hard to see any pattern indicating that UL/UC recruiting has improved since joining the BE, or that UK has been hurt as a result.
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3601 Wrote:
quo vadis Wrote:
bitcruncher Wrote:The blue chip guys go to SEC programs because they have a better chance at competing for a meaningful championship there. BCS affiliation does that. Memphis doesn't have it. The SEC programs do...

I agree that, all else equal, one of those Memphis area blue-chip recruits that fimbizzle says currently go to SEC schools would rather go to a "bcs" school than a "non-bcs" school. So if it was a choice between going to Memphis-CUSA or Memphis-Big East, he'd choose the Memphis that is a member of the Big East.

But, in the real world, the kid wouldn't be facing a choice of Memphis-CUSA versus Memphis-Big East, it's Memphis versus ... Tennessee or Alabama. And Memphis-BE over either seems extremely doubtful.

And as i noted above, the BCS system has actually been GREAT for Memphis and other similar low-tier programs. Whoever heard of Utah, Boise, Fresno, or Hawaii before the BCS era began? It's opened all kinds of doors to play on the big stage for the Memphis-level programs.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

3601, there is not alot that you and I agree on, but we certainly agree on that point.
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3601 Wrote:
quo vadis Wrote:
bitcruncher Wrote:The blue chip guys go to SEC programs because they have a better chance at competing for a meaningful championship there. BCS affiliation does that. Memphis doesn't have it. The SEC programs do...

I agree that, all else equal, one of those Memphis area blue-chip recruits that fimbizzle says currently go to SEC schools would rather go to a "bcs" school than a "non-bcs" school. So if it was a choice between going to Memphis-CUSA or Memphis-Big East, he'd choose the Memphis that is a member of the Big East.

But, in the real world, the kid wouldn't be facing a choice of Memphis-CUSA versus Memphis-Big East, it's Memphis versus ... Tennessee or Alabama. And Memphis-BE over either seems extremely doubtful.

And as i noted above, the BCS system has actually been GREAT for Memphis and other similar low-tier programs. Whoever heard of Utah, Boise, Fresno, or Hawaii before the BCS era began? It's opened all kinds of doors to play on the big stage for the Memphis-level programs.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

3601, there is not alot that you and I agree on, but we certainly agree on that point.

which speaks very poorly of both of you, since neither of you has been able to refute the point.
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quo vadis Wrote:
cuseroc Wrote:
3601 Wrote:
quo vadis Wrote:
bitcruncher Wrote:The blue chip guys go to SEC programs because they have a better chance at competing for a meaningful championship there. BCS affiliation does that. Memphis doesn't have it. The SEC programs do...

I agree that, all else equal, one of those Memphis area blue-chip recruits that fimbizzle says currently go to SEC schools would rather go to a "bcs" school than a "non-bcs" school. So if it was a choice between going to Memphis-CUSA or Memphis-Big East, he'd choose the Memphis that is a member of the Big East.

But, in the real world, the kid wouldn't be facing a choice of Memphis-CUSA versus Memphis-Big East, it's Memphis versus ... Tennessee or Alabama. And Memphis-BE over either seems extremely doubtful.

And as i noted above, the BCS system has actually been GREAT for Memphis and other similar low-tier programs. Whoever heard of Utah, Boise, Fresno, or Hawaii before the BCS era began? It's opened all kinds of doors to play on the big stage for the Memphis-level programs.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

3601, there is not alot that you and I agree on, but we certainly agree on that point.

which speaks very poorly of both of you, since neither of you has been able to refute the point.

I formed my opinion of you in another thread where you said that the BE needed USF more than USF needed the BE. You still have not given a credible response to defend that claim. And I think that other folks have already refuted your point here. But it doesnt matter as you are going to stick by your story regardless of all the evidence that says otherwise. Besides, we are not the ones that keep having to defend ourselves with every post that we make. That speaks very poorly of you.
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Yup he is probably a lifelong Gator fan who grew up in Tampa...recently graduated from USF. Is enjoying USF's rise but is conflicted.
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Bambu Wrote:I'm not sure if this thread belongs on the smack or expansion board now.


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cuseroc Wrote:
quo vadis Wrote:
cuseroc Wrote:
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quo vadis Wrote:
bitcruncher Wrote:The blue chip guys go to SEC programs because they have a better chance at competing for a meaningful championship there. BCS affiliation does that. Memphis doesn't have it. The SEC programs do...

I agree that, all else equal, one of those Memphis area blue-chip recruits that fimbizzle says currently go to SEC schools would rather go to a "bcs" school than a "non-bcs" school. So if it was a choice between going to Memphis-CUSA or Memphis-Big East, he'd choose the Memphis that is a member of the Big East.

But, in the real world, the kid wouldn't be facing a choice of Memphis-CUSA versus Memphis-Big East, it's Memphis versus ... Tennessee or Alabama. And Memphis-BE over either seems extremely doubtful.

And as i noted above, the BCS system has actually been GREAT for Memphis and other similar low-tier programs. Whoever heard of Utah, Boise, Fresno, or Hawaii before the BCS era began? It's opened all kinds of doors to play on the big stage for the Memphis-level programs.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

3601, there is not alot that you and I agree on, but we certainly agree on that point.

which speaks very poorly of both of you, since neither of you has been able to refute the point.

I formed my opinion of you in another thread where you said that the BE needed USF more than USF needed the BE. You still have not given a credible response to defend that claim.

Actually, in that thread, i'm the only one who credibly defended his claim. I answered every single point that my opponents raised. Saying i didn't doesn't make it so.

Likewise, i'm the only one who has backed up his claims in this thread with a semblance of data. My opponents have replied with stuff like "i think you don't know what you are talking about" and "i know some Ohio State fans who think Cincy has cut into their talent since joining the BE".

That's it. That's the "logic" and "evidence" that have been thrown up against me in these two threads. Sad that some are convinced by it...
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quo vadis Wrote:
cuseroc Wrote:
quo vadis Wrote:
cuseroc Wrote:
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quo vadis Wrote:
bitcruncher Wrote:The blue chip guys go to SEC programs because they have a better chance at competing for a meaningful championship there. BCS affiliation does that. Memphis doesn't have it. The SEC programs do...

I agree that, all else equal, one of those Memphis area blue-chip recruits that fimbizzle says currently go to SEC schools would rather go to a "bcs" school than a "non-bcs" school. So if it was a choice between going to Memphis-CUSA or Memphis-Big East, he'd choose the Memphis that is a member of the Big East.

But, in the real world, the kid wouldn't be facing a choice of Memphis-CUSA versus Memphis-Big East, it's Memphis versus ... Tennessee or Alabama. And Memphis-BE over either seems extremely doubtful.

And as i noted above, the BCS system has actually been GREAT for Memphis and other similar low-tier programs. Whoever heard of Utah, Boise, Fresno, or Hawaii before the BCS era began? It's opened all kinds of doors to play on the big stage for the Memphis-level programs.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

3601, there is not alot that you and I agree on, but we certainly agree on that point.

which speaks very poorly of both of you, since neither of you has been able to refute the point.

I formed my opinion of you in another thread where you said that the BE needed USF more than USF needed the BE. You still have not given a credible response to defend that claim.

Actually, in that thread, i'm the only one who credibly defended his claim. I answered every single point that my opponents raised. Saying i didn't doesn't make it so.

Likewise, i'm the only one who has backed up his claims in this thread with a semblance of data. My opponents have replied with stuff like "i think you don't know what you are talking about" and "i know some Ohio State fans who think Cincy has cut into their talent since joining the BE".

That's it. That's the "logic" and "evidence" that have been thrown up against me in these two threads. Sad that some are convinced by it...

Then answer this clain smart guy. You say that the BE needed USF more than USF needed the BE. But in 2006 when the BE was getting all of the national love from everyone and pounding everyone ooc, where was USF. The nation was enamored with Louisville, WV and Rutgers. So if the BE had taken UCF or Memphis or ECU, we would have still have had that amazing success that year with those same programs and USF would have still been stuck in Cusa. So how exactly did the BE need USF more than USF needed the BE?
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