I'd have fired their asses.

Then the lawsuits would be interesting.

(04-18-2014 09:17 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Clearly, john indicated that taxi drivers that are independent can refuse to promote gay events on their cabs
["if they are indy, then they can do whatever the F*** they want but it's their loss. ],

yet indicated that those that provide goods/services must provide said goods/services unless some strong reason applies
["when you are a business that provides a good or a service then you have the duty to offer those goods/services to everyone. there are reasons to deny someone those goods/services but that is only under an abnormal circumstance ==> being gay does not count as an abnormal circumstance. "]

So to clarify, why can an independent Muslim taxi driver refuse service due to his religious beliefs, yet the independent Christian baker cannot?

i never said that. discrimination is discrimination regardless of religion. I said that in my first post in this thread. refusing service based on orientation is wrong regardless of religion.

all i said is an indy cab driver can choose what types of advertisements to put on his cab unless he is entered into a contract with an ad agency and is required to put up what they give him.

a christian baker has the right to put any type of ad or refuse to put up a type of ad in his window

I've told people no who've wanted to hire me. Fck 'em if that's a problem for them.

Splitting hairs and you know it. If muslim drivers can refuse to participate and that is OK with you (for purely sexual orientation reasons), why are Christian bakers not allowed to refuse service for the same sexual orientation reasons?

(04-18-2014 07:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  homophobia is homophobia regardless of their religion.

if they belong to a cab company then the company has the right to fire them for not doing their jobs.

if they are indy, then they can do whatever the F*** they want but it's their loss.

And why would an indy be able to refuse in a world where a private baker can't say no to a gay wedding?

(04-18-2014 09:33 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Splitting hairs and you know it. If muslim drivers can refuse to participate and that is OK with you (for purely sexual orientation reasons), why are Christian bakers not allowed to refuse service for the same sexual orientation reasons?

Resorting to "depends on what the definition of 'is" is..................

illiterate GOPers ticking me off as usual

(04-18-2014 10:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
illiterate GOPers ticking me off as usual

John. You need to stop praising Islam.

(04-18-2014 10:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
illiterate GOPers ticking me off as usual

Embrace the knowledge, experience and insights being offered, dumb***. No need in being ticked off. Pay attention. We're free. Better than the idiots you pay to mind fck you.

(04-18-2014 10:21 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
illiterate GOPers ticking me off as usual

Embrace the knowledge, experience and insights being offered, dumb***. No need in being ticked off. Pay attention. We're free. Better than the idiots you pay to mind fck you.

John, Paul's right. You're a kid who hasn't experienced the world. We're not kids and have experienced much more than you. Learn from your elders, those more wise than you.

BTW, my 15 year old kid also thinks he knows all there is to know about the world and it's centered around Xbox and zombies.

(04-18-2014 10:18 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
illiterate GOPers ticking me off as usual

John. You need to stop praising Islam.

you need to be sterilized

(04-18-2014 10:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:18 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
illiterate GOPers ticking me off as usual

John. You need to stop praising Islam.

you need to be sterilized

John. Turn away from the darkness. That path is full of tripwires.

(04-18-2014 10:24 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:21 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
illiterate GOPers ticking me off as usual

Embrace the knowledge, experience and insights being offered, dumb***. No need in being ticked off. Pay attention. We're free. Better than the idiots you pay to mind fck you.

John, Paul's right. You're a kid who hasn't experienced the world. We're not kids and have experienced much more than you. Learn from your elders, those more wise than you.

BTW, my 15 year old kid also thinks he knows all there is to know about the world and it's centered around Xbox and zombies.

yeah but sometimes even adults don't know when they are absolutely wrong on an issue. 79% of the under 40 group disagree with you on this issue. change is coming whether you like it or not. But kudos to being this generations version of the segregationists.

(04-18-2014 10:27 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:24 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:21 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
illiterate GOPers ticking me off as usual

Embrace the knowledge, experience and insights being offered, dumb***. No need in being ticked off. Pay attention. We're free. Better than the idiots you pay to mind fck you.

John, Paul's right. You're a kid who hasn't experienced the world. We're not kids and have experienced much more than you. Learn from your elders, those more wise than you.

BTW, my 15 year old kid also thinks he knows all there is to know about the world and it's centered around Xbox and zombies.

yeah but sometimes even adults don't know when they are absolutely wrong on an issue. 79% of the under 40 group disagree with you on this issue. change is coming whether you like it or not. But kudos to being this generations version of the segregationists.

We don't care if you set next to us at the counter. Just keep your feet on your own stool.

Funny how when I checkmate johnny, he starts with the insults. Particularly when I levied none on the open forum. I am illiterate when he cannot answer my question based upon his posts; yet, he calls me imbecilic names when I corner him to a point where he has no logical escape route.

Check. Mate. *****.

(04-18-2014 10:27 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:24 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:21 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
illiterate GOPers ticking me off as usual

Embrace the knowledge, experience and insights being offered, dumb***. No need in being ticked off. Pay attention. We're free. Better than the idiots you pay to mind fck you.

John, Paul's right. You're a kid who hasn't experienced the world. We're not kids and have experienced much more than you. Learn from your elders, those more wise than you.

BTW, my 15 year old kid also thinks he knows all there is to know about the world and it's centered around Xbox and zombies.

yeah but sometimes even adults don't know when they are absolutely wrong on an issue. 79% of the under 40 group disagree with you on this issue. change is coming whether you like it or not. But kudos to being this generations version of the segregationists.

That can be attributed to our education system where it takes a typical person 40 years to learn common sense. And the over 40 group would be the most experienced and most wise, would you agree?

(04-18-2014 10:27 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:24 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:21 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
illiterate GOPers ticking me off as usual

Embrace the knowledge, experience and insights being offered, dumb***. No need in being ticked off. Pay attention. We're free. Better than the idiots you pay to mind fck you.

John, Paul's right. You're a kid who hasn't experienced the world. We're not kids and have experienced much more than you. Learn from your elders, those more wise than you.

BTW, my 15 year old kid also thinks he knows all there is to know about the world and it's centered around Xbox and zombies.

yeah but sometimes even adults don't know when they are absolutely wrong on an issue. 79% of the under 40 group disagree with you on this issue. change is coming whether you like it or not. But kudos to being this generations version of the segregationists.

Being outnumberd by kids, or on the losing side does not make one wrong...

(04-18-2014 10:32 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Funny how when I checkmate johnny, he starts with the insults. Particularly when I levied none on the open forum. I am illiterate when he cannot answer my question based upon his posts; yet, he calls me imbecilic names when I corner him to a point where he has no logical escape route.

Check. Mate. *****.

it's not a checkmate. i have been perfectly clear on where i stand here. but just so you guys are clear and there is no confusion.

say you have an indy baker & indy cab driver

both are free to put any advertising sign up in their shop/cab as long as it falls within the laws of what advertisements are allowed to advertise. that is a freedom of speech/freedom of expression issue and both can do whatever they damn please.

but when it comes to actual denial of service to customers. in some cases they can, but sexual orientation is not one of them.

Now.......
are there any GOPers that still dont get it

(04-18-2014 09:33 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Splitting hairs and you know it. If muslim drivers can refuse to participate and that is OK with you (for purely sexual orientation reasons), why are Christian bakers not allowed to refuse service for the same sexual orientation reasons?

Well seing his explination down thread he is right in that to him there is a substantive difference between denying the service you provide and advertising...

I think, in principle, if you can sue the hell out of an artist for not providing a custom service based on their religion it's a damn fine line at best. I think his overall position on freedom of association and religion is off as well but there is a different between the services you sell and side services like advertising.

(04-18-2014 10:37 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:32 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Funny how when I checkmate johnny, he starts with the insults. Particularly when I levied none on the open forum. I am illiterate when he cannot answer my question based upon his posts; yet, he calls me imbecilic names when I corner him to a point where he has no logical escape route.

Check. Mate. *****.

it's not a checkmate. i have been perfectly clear on where i stand here. but just so you guys are clear and there is no confusion.

say you have an indy baker & indy cab driver

both are free to put any advertising sign up in their shop/cab as long as it falls within the laws of what advertisements are allowed to advertise. that is a freedom of speech/freedom of expression issue and both can do whatever they damn please.

but when it comes to actual denial of service to customers. in some cases they can, but sexual orientation is not one of them.

Now.......
are there any GOPers that still dont get it

So freedom of speech and expression exist but not association?

John maybe the reason so many misunderstood what you said is because that makes no damn sense...