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9 game football schedule with a single divisison
We've talked a lot about how an 8 game schedule would work with a single division - 3 permanent rivals plus 5 games with rotating opponents. Basically, you play each of your non-permanent rivals every other year. Over a four year rotation, you play everybody once at home and once on the road.

If the conference went to a 9 game schedule, here is how it would work. Annually, you would play 1 permanent rival, 4 other opponents at home, 4 on the road, and not play 4. Over a three year cycle, you would play everybody but your permanent rival twice, once at home and once on the road.

Single Permanent Rivals:
FSU-the U
CU-GT
UNC-Duke or UNC-NC St.
NC St.-Wake or Duke-Wake
UVA-VT
UL-Pitt
SU-BC
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If Carolina had only one permanent rival, it sould be UVa.
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I don't think a single rival game works. Despite what XLance says, I think UNC boosters would have a hissy if they didn't play Duke.
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Single game would be an issue...we really should have UVA, Duke, NC State on the schedule every year. If I had to give up one of the three it would be Duke.
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9 games will be opposed no matter how it works out. Too many teams want 4 OOC games, period.
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I generally agree that 8 games achieves just about everything everybody wants. All important rivalry games are preserved. Everybody plays everybody regularly.

9 games only becomes an issue if all of the other P5 conferences go to that format. It will be key to watch how the CFP Selection Committee integrates SOS into its process. However, as long as the SEC is holding out, we should be able to do so as well (both because there is safety in copying the SEC and because this should make more SEC opponents available for OOC games).
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(04-18-2014 09:18 AM)orangefan Wrote:  I generally agree that 8 games achieves just about everything everybody wants. All important rivalry games are preserved. Everybody plays everybody regularly.

9 games only becomes an issue if all of the other P5 conferences go to that format. It will be key to watch how the CFP Selection Committee integrates SOS into its process. However, as long as the SEC is holding out, we should be able to do so as well (both because there is safety in copying the SEC and because this should make more SEC opponents available for OOC games).

One more thing to consider: in a world where the other 4 P5 conferences all play 9 league games, I think there is value in being the only P5 who can flexibly schedule OOC games. What I mean is this: a team with 5 away games in league won't agree to an away OOC game that year, so half of the P5 teams are therefore unavailable in any given year. Not so an ACC team with only 4 away games in league every season. If allows the ACC team to sign an OOC contract with ANY P5 opponent - not just the have whose 5 away games synch up.
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It doesn't solve the issue created for some schools every 3 yrs when you also play ND. Every year a third of the league is already playing 9 games.
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(04-18-2014 08:49 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Single game would be an issue...we really should have UVA, Duke, NC State on the schedule every year. If I had to give up one of the three it would be Duke.

And I would give up State in a NY minute.....

We really need 4 protected rivals (UVa, Dook, Wake Forest and Georgia Tech).
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There is no need to have more crap matchups nobody cares about to lose the OOC game. Teams arent going to give away the money from extra home games. What you would lose is more premiere matchups in college football. I'd much rather see FSU play a hard out of conference team than playing another game vs a pool of teams like Syracuse, BC and Wake.

The 3 rivals and rotating the others is perfect. The 9th game is a terrible idea all around.
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(04-18-2014 09:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 08:49 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Single game would be an issue...we really should have UVA, Duke, NC State on the schedule every year. If I had to give up one of the three it would be Duke.

And I would give up State in a NY minute.....

We really need 4 protected rivals (UVa, Dook, Wake Forest and Georgia Tech).

I'd like to play UVA and the other Carolina schools every year as well. But I can live without State and Wake every year.

I enjoy playing Georgia Tech, I'd enjoy it more if we actually beat them one time in a decade
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(04-18-2014 10:20 AM)westmc9th Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 09:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 08:49 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Single game would be an issue...we really should have UVA, Duke, NC State on the schedule every year. If I had to give up one of the three it would be Duke.

And I would give up State in a NY minute.....

We really need 4 protected rivals (UVa, Dook, Wake Forest and Georgia Tech).

I'd like to play UVA and the other Carolina schools every year as well. But I can live without State and Wake every year.

I enjoy playing Georgia Tech, I'd enjoy it more if we actually beat them one time in a decade

Since NC State also has a say in it (hard to believe, huh?), I'd say it's a virtual certainty that UNC's 3 partners will be UVa, Duke and NCSU.

Now, NC State's 3 could get interesting - UNC and Wake are a given, but #3 could be Clemson, or it could be someone else.
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(04-18-2014 09:38 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  It doesn't solve the issue created for some schools every 3 yrs when you also play ND. Every year a third of the league is already playing 9 games.

It doesn't count for or against your conference record. It is not a 9th game. It's an OOC game.
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(04-18-2014 11:59 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 09:38 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  It doesn't solve the issue created for some schools every 3 yrs when you also play ND. Every year a third of the league is already playing 9 games.

It doesn't count for or against your conference record. It is not a 9th game. It's an OOC game.

He must mean 9 games scheduled FOR the school, BY the ACC.
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guys guys guys........

I have brought this up numerous times. It is a lot easier said than done because there are so many other issues to consider:

-keeping home/away consistent between two schools
making sure schools A & B properly rotate home & away over multiple years

-keeping the amount of home/away consistent between all conference members
making sure teams have the same amount of home/away games each seasons. for 9 games they must have 4/5 every 2 years
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(04-18-2014 10:54 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 10:20 AM)westmc9th Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 09:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 08:49 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Single game would be an issue...we really should have UVA, Duke, NC State on the schedule every year. If I had to give up one of the three it would be Duke.

And I would give up State in a NY minute.....

We really need 4 protected rivals (UVa, Dook, Wake Forest and Georgia Tech).

I'd like to play UVA and the other Carolina schools every year as well. But I can live without State and Wake every year.

I enjoy playing Georgia Tech, I'd enjoy it more if we actually beat them one time in a decade

Since NC State also has a say in it (hard to believe, huh?), I'd say it's a virtual certainty that UNC's 3 partners will be UVa, Duke and NCSU.

Now, NC State's 3 could get interesting - UNC and Wake are a given, but #3 could be Clemson, or it could be someone else.

Yes if it's three NC State and UNC are just about locked in stone:

UNC - UVa, NCSU, Duke
NCSU - Clemson, UNC, Wake

UVa only has one opening:

UVa - VT, UNC, ?

Duke, Wake, Clemson and FSU have just one opening:

Clemson - NCSU, FSU, ?
FSU - CU, Miami, ?
Duke - UNC, Wake, ?
Wale - NCSU, Duke, ?

Miami, BC and Syracuse will have two openings:

BC - Syr, ?, ?
Syr - BC, ?, ?
Miami - FSU, ?, ?

If we go to just one rival a year I think it has to play out like so:

Miami/FSU
Clemson/GT
UNC/NC State
Duke/WF
VT/UVa
Pitt/Louis
Syr/BC

Then if UNC really wants to maintain the UVa and Duke games every year, they could schedule each other as OOC every third year. NC State could do the same with Clemson and play the game in Charlotte. UNC might do the same with UVa in Charlotte, or perhaps Fed Ex. Clemson and FSU could meet every third year in Atlanta, or Jacksonville.
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(04-18-2014 03:08 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Then if UNC really wants to maintain the UVa and Duke games every year, they could schedule each other as OOC every third year. NC State could do the same with Clemson and play the game in Charlotte. UNC might do the same with UVa in Charlotte, or perhaps Fed Ex. Clemson and FSU could meet every third year in Atlanta, or Jacksonville.

Nah, I wouldn't want to waste an OOC game on someone as uninteresting as NC State. Even if we did y'all can just bring your 3k fans two more hours down I85 South and play us in the Valley every third year. No need for us to go to Charlotte and turn BOA orange when we can do it in Tigertown and keep the money for ourselves.
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(04-18-2014 03:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 03:08 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Then if UNC really wants to maintain the UVa and Duke games every year, they could schedule each other as OOC every third year. NC State could do the same with Clemson and play the game in Charlotte. UNC might do the same with UVa in Charlotte, or perhaps Fed Ex. Clemson and FSU could meet every third year in Atlanta, or Jacksonville.

Nah, I wouldn't want to waste an OOC game on someone as uninteresting as NC State. Even if we did y'all can just bring your 3k fans two more hours down I85 South and play us in the Valley every third year. No need for us to go to Charlotte and turn BOA orange when we can do it in Tigertown and keep the money for ourselves.

No ACC-as-OOC games, please! It WOULD be interesting if Clemson and NC State played every year in Charlotte ala the game fka "the World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party". If they did that they'd need a new name - Textile Bowl just seems so outdated.
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(04-18-2014 03:37 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 03:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 03:08 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Then if UNC really wants to maintain the UVa and Duke games every year, they could schedule each other as OOC every third year. NC State could do the same with Clemson and play the game in Charlotte. UNC might do the same with UVa in Charlotte, or perhaps Fed Ex. Clemson and FSU could meet every third year in Atlanta, or Jacksonville.

Nah, I wouldn't want to waste an OOC game on someone as uninteresting as NC State. Even if we did y'all can just bring your 3k fans two more hours down I85 South and play us in the Valley every third year. No need for us to go to Charlotte and turn BOA orange when we can do it in Tigertown and keep the money for ourselves.

No ACC-as-OOC games, please! It WOULD be interesting if Clemson and NC State played every year in Charlotte ala the game fka "the World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party". If they did that they'd need a new name - Textile Bowl just seems so outdated.

No thanks.

It might be different if NC State were a draw like a Florida or Georgia, but they aren't. Besides, the ACC does enough to help the economy of the state of NC, no need for Clemson to help the lesser Carolina that much more.
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(04-18-2014 03:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 03:37 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 03:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-18-2014 03:08 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Then if UNC really wants to maintain the UVa and Duke games every year, they could schedule each other as OOC every third year. NC State could do the same with Clemson and play the game in Charlotte. UNC might do the same with UVa in Charlotte, or perhaps Fed Ex. Clemson and FSU could meet every third year in Atlanta, or Jacksonville.

Nah, I wouldn't want to waste an OOC game on someone as uninteresting as NC State. Even if we did y'all can just bring your 3k fans two more hours down I85 South and play us in the Valley every third year. No need for us to go to Charlotte and turn BOA orange when we can do it in Tigertown and keep the money for ourselves.

No ACC-as-OOC games, please! It WOULD be interesting if Clemson and NC State played every year in Charlotte ala the game fka "the World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party". If they did that they'd need a new name - Textile Bowl just seems so outdated.

No thanks.

It might be different if NC State were a draw like a Florida or Georgia, but they aren't. Besides, the ACC does enough to help the economy of the state of NC, no need for Clemson to help the lesser Carolina that much more.

When is Clemson leaving for the SEC? I forgot. 04-cheers
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