Basketball Expenses= total amount of revenue spent by men's basketball team.

Basketball Attendance= Total attendance, including students. Keep in mind that not all teams play the same number of home games.

Cost per Ticket= By dividing the total amount of revenue spent by the total number of tickets sold(and given away) you get an average "cost" of each ticket, or the average amount each ticket needs to be sold for to generate enough money to cover the program's expenses. I don't have the ticket revenue numbers for each club but I'm guessing the actual average ticket price is much less than what is shown it needs to be to break even.

This is just one way to look at the return on investment for each program, who's getting the most bang for their buck. Ball State is an interesting example, although they are in the bottom 3 for expenses they are in the top 3 for attendance, bringing their break even point for ticket prices at a very manageable $31.28, good enough for 2nd best in the MAC. On the other end, Miami is the exact opposite and this highlights their need to get attendance back on an upswing.

Cost per Ticket
$25.82 Ohio
$31.28 Ball State
$33.90 Akron
$37.36 Toledo
$38.87 Kent State
$43.40 Buffalo
$45.83 Bowling Green
$48.43 Western Michigan
$95.07 Northern Illinois
$97.41 Eastern Michigan
$77.88 Central Michigan
$103.50 Miami

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Basketball Expenses 2013
$3,222,448 Ohio
$2,142,779 Buffalo
$2,051,314 Akron
$1,900,435 Miami
$1,867,684 Western Michigan
$1,855,599 Kent State
$1,847,789 Toledo
$1,666,104 Central Michigan
$1,608,150 Eastern Michigan
$1,561,611 Ball State
$1,460,613 Bowling Green
$1,447,289 Northern Illinois

Basketball Attendance 2013
124,782 Ohio
60,505 Akron
49,917 Ball State
49,465 Toledo
49,371 Buffalo
47,733 Kent State
38,566 Western Michigan
31,871 Bowling Green
21,394 Central Michigan
18,361 Miami
16,509 Eastern Michigan
15,224 Northern Illinois

Does this include potential revenue from BCS schools who share gate revenue with the visiting MAC team?

I believe within the past two years that Kentucky actually paid EMU.

I could be wrong.

(04-18-2014 04:52 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  This is just one way...that I have concocted worthless numbers to get oHIo on top of a list.

If you enjoyed this oHIo-masturbation thread then please have a look at this thread that I not so cleverly tried to disguise as a BG thread.

BG Men's BBall is Well Endowed

Also, fear not! There will be plenty more to come and there are many, many, many to choose from in the archives.

AGAIN:

(09-10-2013 12:40 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  Can ALL Ohio specific threads that nobody cares about except the couple of delusional Boobcat fans be moved to the Ohio board from this point forward?

If anyone gets a hankering for Ohio ticket totals, seating charts, parking lot info, etc., they'll know where to go.

http://csnbbs.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=466

And:

(09-11-2013 10:55 AM)TARDledo Wrote:  Articles, videos, media, etc., that are of INTEREST to the MAC can go on the MAC board, even if the article itself is about just one or two MAC teams.

Inane threads about season ticket totals, seating charts, changes to assigned parking, etc., that are specific to one team (any team really, but we all know that only one mentally dysfunctional fanbase posts such threads on the MAC Board) do NOT belong on the MAC Board. That stuff belongs on that team's board.

Especially when those types of threads are specifically posted to bait other team's fans to bash the posting team so that the mentally crippled fans of that team can get their rocks off by playing the martyr. Mommy and Daddy must not have paid enough attention.

LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, PLEASE!!!! SOMEBODY LOOK AT ME!!! WHY WON'T ANYBODY LOOK AT ME!?!

(04-18-2014 09:07 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Does this include potential revenue from BCS schools who share gate revenue with the visiting MAC team?

I believe within the past two years that Kentucky actually paid EMU.

I could be wrong.

no, unfortunately I wasn't able to find dollars received, only dollars spent. Ticket rev, concessions, parking, revenue sharing with BCS schools, etc. would be good to see because that would help give us a better idea of actual profitability. That's why I just used the data that I could find to create an approximate return on investment number.

In spite of what the childish and overly insecure Bowling Green fan with the offensive name whined about this wasn't about one school. Like I said, what I found interesting was the variance between Ball State and Miami.

(04-18-2014 09:43 AM)TARDledo Wrote:  LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, PLEASE!!!! SOMEBODY LOOK AT ME!!! WHY WON'T ANYBODY LOOK AT ME!?!

You said exactly what I was thinking about your post.

(04-18-2014 10:00 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 09:07 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Does this include potential revenue from BCS schools who share gate revenue with the visiting MAC team?

I believe within the past two years that Kentucky actually paid EMU.

I could be wrong.

no, unfortunately I wasn't able to find dollars received, only dollars spent. Ticket rev, concessions, parking, revenue sharing with BCS schools, etc. would be good to see because that would help give us a better idea of actual profitability. That's why I just used the data that I could find to create an approximate return on investment number.

In spite of what the childish and overly insecure Bowling Green fan with the offensive name whined about this wasn't about one school. Like I said, what I found interesting was the variance between Ball State and Miami.

So this includes the NCAA Units payouts?

Did you guys know that Kent State led the MAC in attendance with games that were played in Kent, OH?

(04-18-2014 03:01 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  Did you guys know that Kent State led the MAC in attendance with games that were played in Kent, OH?

I had heard you led the NCAA in that category..

I see no problem with this post. It's just a simple ROI post and honestly, if I were an Ohio fan I'd be excited about what my school is doing in terms of commitment to athletics, etc. And this is a thread about the whole conference so this seems to be the correct board for it.

(04-18-2014 02:06 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 10:00 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 09:07 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Does this include potential revenue from BCS schools who share gate revenue with the visiting MAC team?

I believe within the past two years that Kentucky actually paid EMU.

I could be wrong.

no, unfortunately I wasn't able to find dollars received, only dollars spent. Ticket rev, concessions, parking, revenue sharing with BCS schools, etc. would be good to see because that would help give us a better idea of actual profitability. That's why I just used the data that I could find to create an approximate return on investment number.

In spite of what the childish and overly insecure Bowling Green fan with the offensive name whined about this wasn't about one school. Like I said, what I found interesting was the variance between Ball State and Miami.

So this includes the NCAA Units payouts?

no NCAA payouts, this is just money spent, not money earned, unfortunately.

(04-18-2014 03:01 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  Did you guys know that Kent State led the MAC in attendance with games that were played in Kent, OH?

Actually, to make it MAC-generic and not Kent-specific, Akron and Kent State were in the top two schools in attendance at MAC games played in the Akron urban area and also in MAC games played in the Cleveland media market. I believe they have held the top two spots in these two important rankings every year for more than a decade.

Miami basketball will be back. We had a few things working against us.

A bad AD that was terrible at fundraising that Boston College did us a favor with combined with an emphasis on Hockey that redirected limited resources from the program as Goggin was built. Hockey's rise also competed directly with attendance as both seasons compete for the same fans and Miami's basketball program went on a skid. I'm OK with that as Hockey has given us more exposure (8 National TV games this season despite a down hockey season and no playoffs)

http://vimeo.com/39665389

Goggin is now being digested and it is basketball and Millet Hall that is now getting some much needed attention and Coach Cooper is turning the program back around while our new AD is setting fundraising records.

I know that Ohio U and Cincinnati fans are relishing in the recent skid of Miami Basketball and Football, but nobody thinks it will last for long. Miami is no different than Michigan in the Big Ten when Michigan football went on a skid and a rock-bottom 3-win season with Rodriguez as their coach. It was never expected to last just like Michigan compared to other Big Ten schools, Miami has inherent advantages that much of the MAC can not compete with in regards to recruiting. Miami has the most storied basketball and football accomplishments in the MAC because Miami can offer a better education, better campus, and is in a talent rich area in SW Ohio.

Miami doesn't have 17 NCAA basketball tourney appearances and 15 MAC football titles just because we went on a lucky hot streak in the MAC, it is because we have more to offer against most of the rest of the MAC in areas they can't compete with in terms of attracting recruits in the long run. I know that comes off as snotty but it is reality and is something that Bobcat fans are gonna have to deal with soon. Cincinnati's demotion back to the G5 will also help I presume. Toledo can keep passing out championship rings every time they have a 4-way tie for their 6-team "west division" but that doesn't change things either even if their video coordinator tries to incorrectly claim them as "MAC Championships" to recruits and call themselves the most successful program in MAC history (pathetic). Super Bowl Champion Coach and Miamian John Harbaugh was thrilled to be honored just recently by Miami.

So yeah, I'm a little annoyed at UC, OU, and UT fans trying to discount Miami.

Having said all that above, I do really value "true" UC, OU, and UT fans that value their their schools the same as I do Miami. What I don't understand, and never will, is those same alumni who are wannabees that wear OSU and UM gear. That to me is truly pathetic in every way and should be called out by all MAC fans....

(04-18-2014 01:53 PM)OUVan Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 09:43 AM)TARDledo Wrote:  LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, PLEASE!!!! SOMEBODY LOOK AT ME!!! WHY WON'T ANYBODY LOOK AT ME!?!

You said exactly what I was thinking about your post.

yep

(04-18-2014 11:09 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I know that Ohio U and Cincinnati fans are relishing in the recent skid of Miami Basketball and Football, but nobody thinks it will last for long. Miami is no different than Michigan in the Big Ten when Michigan football went on a skid and a rock-bottom 3-win season with Rodriguez as their coach. It was never expected to last just like Michigan compared to other Big Ten schools, Miami has inherent advantages that much of the MAC can not compete with in regards to recruiting. Miami has the most storied basketball and football accomplishments in the MAC because Miami can offer a better education, better campus, and is in a talent rich area in SW Ohio.

Miami doesn't have 17 NCAA basketball tourney appearances and 15 MAC football titles just because we went on a lucky hot streak in the MAC, it is because we have more to offer against most of the rest of the MAC in areas they can't compete with in terms of attracting recruits in the long run. I know that comes off as snotty but it is reality and is something that Bobcat fans are gonna have to deal with soon. Cincinnati's demotion back to the G5 will also help I presume. Toledo can keep passing out championship rings every time they have a 4-way tie for their 6-team
"west division" but that doesn't change things either even if their video coordinator tries to incorrectly claim them as "MAC Championships" to recruits and call themselves the most successful program in MAC history (pathetic). Super Bowl Champion Coach and Miamian John Harbaugh was thrilled to be honored just recently by Miami.

So yeah, I'm a little annoyed at UC, OU, and UT fans trying to discount Miami.

Coffee usually works for me.

(04-18-2014 04:52 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Basketball Expenses= total amount of revenue spent by men's basketball team.

So Buffalo did pretty good considering they are the second worst team in the conference at everything per...

Thank you so much for running over to the AAC boards to trash other MAC schools, that's *all* class...

(04-18-2014 11:09 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I know that Ohio U and Cincinnati fans are relishing in the recent skid of Miami Basketball and Football, but nobody thinks it will last for long. Miami is no different than Michigan in the Big Ten when Michigan football went on a skid and a rock-bottom 3-win season with Rodriguez as their coach. It was never expected to last just like Michigan compared to other Big Ten schools, Miami has inherent advantages that much of the MAC can not compete with in regards to recruiting. Miami has the most storied basketball and football accomplishments in the MAC because Miami can offer a better education, better campus, and is in a talent rich area in SW Ohio.

Miami doesn't have 17 NCAA basketball tourney appearances and 15 MAC football titles just because we went on a lucky hot streak in the MAC, it is because we have more to offer against most of the rest of the MAC in areas they can't compete with in terms of attracting recruits in the long run. I know that comes off as snotty but it is reality and is something that Bobcat fans are gonna have to deal with soon. Cincinnati's demotion back to the G5 will also help I presume. Toledo can keep passing out championship rings every time they have a 4-way tie for their 6-team "west division" but that doesn't change things either even if their video coordinator tries to incorrectly claim them as "MAC Championships" to recruits and call themselves the most successful program in MAC history (pathetic). Super Bowl Champion Coach and Miamian John Harbaugh was thrilled to be honored just recently by Miami.

So yeah, I'm a little annoyed at UC, OU, and UT fans trying to discount Miami.

1948, 1950, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1958, 1962, 1965, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1986, 2003, 2010

More to offer? Recruits in this day and age are born AFTER 1986. You've won two titles since then. Big Ben's career is almost over.

More to offer? Your student body cares more about which JCrew polo to wear than if their school even has a football program.

Miami is about irrelevant in the MAC as EMU is in football alone.

Muskingum University averages more basketball attendance than Miami, and they're D3 and terrible.

All programs go through dark periods- it just happens to be Miami's at the present time. Stop grouching at other teams fans and rally the troops to the games to prove everyone wrong.

OK