even the C7 isn't all that local any more. half the conference is at least 800 miles away. Regional conferences at the top levels are pretty much a thing of the past.

Wow. I'm beginning to see the difference between a basketball-centric culture and a football-centric culture.

Easy fixes. UConn can drop football down to the MAC so they can travel primarily to the upper mid-west and move basketball/olympics to the NBE with their buddies. It's gonna be expensive though to travel to Creighton so UConn can have Creighton kicked out.

Then the American can pick-up Southern Miss to replace UConn.

Win-Win.

(04-15-2014 02:21 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Wouldn't you have thought that before committing to join the American conference Uconn would have done plenty of studies to make sure it was the most sustainable conference for their athletic program. Na they just put no thought into it and joined for ***** and gigs. I would say a women's and men's bball championship showed they can compete at the highest level possible other than football. Also, melky just hates the new conference. Sometimes he makes me wonder if he would rather Uconn be in nbe than the the acc or even big ten

Let's be clear about this...

1) There are no better options when playing FB. There just aren't.

2) For all of the former BE teams, who watched their income get slashed by 2/3, we are relying on the exit fees to bridge the gap. But that's a pool with only a drain and nothing to fill it. When that money is gone, it is gone.

3) Many of us...maybe all of us... took the ticket to this conference while hoping to get a bump to another conference. And before people jump on the "Let's bash UConn and Cincinnati" bandwagon, I seem to recall Houston agitating and arguing that they belonged in the B12.

4) Let's be honest...the nightmare is just beginning. The "Championship Game" deregulation is only the START of the "P5" agenda. They now MAKE the rules. Paying players is a forgone conclusion. The scholarship limit is going to go away or be so relaxed that any non-"P5" school is not going to sniff a bone-fide 4* player. Also on the chopping block is the "Transfer-sit out" rule. This is not alarmist, these are the things that the "Power" conferences are talking about...in some cases have been talking about for a long time. FBS level FB is about to get a helluva lot more expensive and our players and programs are going to get picked apart.

5) Want to know why the order of failure is predictable? Because the teams that are already in financial trouble are already half-sunk. They will obviously fail first. Temple, with their stadium woes, is obviously in danger. Tulsa, being a very small school, is going to be operating on fumes. UC, UConn, ECU, UCF all have an advantage of size...we probably last longer.

But don't kid yourself. UC already heavily subsidizes their athletic department and there are those who will no doubt begin beating the "UC needs to drop sports" drum.

Trying to compete on the same level as a "Power" conference when your getting a fraction of the resources is pure folly.

(04-15-2014 02:31 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 02:28 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 02:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Dumbest thread ever. Starting this year, the AAC makes about 1 million less a year than the old Big East. UConns mens basketball makes a ton of money. UConn womens basketball (unlike most schools) is a money maker. Most P5 programs make most of their money off football ticket sales---no reason that UConn, with 35-40K fans in stadium, cant sell these tickets for a bit more with a slightly better on field record. UConn also has the realignment fund paying them extra income over the next 6 years. If this group is still together in 6 years, the next contract will be much better. The OP is BS. UConn will be fine financially, and better than most. This obviously isn't UConn's dream conference, but they will have no trouble surviving here for an extended period.

Uconn's women bb loses money now. The AAC stripped their $1.2 m a year revenue from Uconn.

False. Women's basketball had been clearing over 3 million in profit. They took a hit this year, but it's still generating $.

Bloomberg, a financial media outlet, says you are dead wrong.



http://thebiglead.com/2011/04/04/are-sch...asketball/

Note that this loss was when Uconn was getting $1m more in revenue and before Auriemma's raise.

(04-15-2014 02:34 PM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  Wow. I'm beginning to see the difference between a basketball-centric culture and a football-centric culture.

Easy fixes. UConn can drop football down to the MAC so they can travel primarily to the upper mid-west and move basketball/olympics to the NBE with their buddies. It's gonna be expensive though to travel to Creighton so UConn can have Creighton kicked out.

Then the American can pick-up Southern Miss to replace UConn.

Win-Win.

wut da fuq?

I really don't think we're going to see the 85 man limit repealed any time soon. You have to remember in the P5 there's a lot of programs that wouldn't want that at all. I mean- do you think Syracuse would want that in football? I don't. I think there's enough that wouldn't want that that would make that very tough to pass...

I think the transfer rules don't change either. P5 coaches don't want that.

(04-15-2014 02:36 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 02:31 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 02:28 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 02:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Dumbest thread ever. Starting this year, the AAC makes about 1 million less a year than the old Big East. UConns mens basketball makes a ton of money. UConn womens basketball (unlike most schools) is a money maker. Most P5 programs make most of their money off football ticket sales---no reason that UConn, with 35-40K fans in stadium, cant sell these tickets for a bit more with a slightly better on field record. UConn also has the realignment fund paying them extra income over the next 6 years. If this group is still together in 6 years, the next contract will be much better. The OP is BS. UConn will be fine financially, and better than most. This obviously isn't UConn's dream conference, but they will have no trouble surviving here for an extended period.

Uconn's women bb loses money now. The AAC stripped their $1.2 m a year revenue from Uconn.

False. Women's basketball had been clearing over 3 million in profit. They took a hit this year, but it's still generating $.

Bloomberg, a financial media outlet, says you are dead wrong.



http://thebiglead.com/2011/04/04/are-sch...asketball/

Note that this loss was when Uconn was getting $1m more in revenue and before Auriemma's raise.

This article is eight months later...

But continue on because you know such much more about UCONN than everyone else.

"The national champion men's basketball program had revenues of $13.8 million and a $3.9 million profit after expenses, and the women's program had revenues of $10.4 million and a profit of $3.8 million, Enright said. The women's basketball team, which went to the Final Four, had revenue of $10.4 million and a profit of $3.8 million, he said. The numbers differ from those released this fall as part of the school's annual Equity in Athletics Data report for the department of Education, which show all three programs operating at a slight loss. Enright said that is because the federal report does not include much of the programs' indirect revenues, which are totaled together on a separate line and not allocated to a specific sport."

http://www.ctpost.com/uconn/article/UCon...405962.php

(04-15-2014 02:34 PM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  Wow. I'm beginning to see the difference between a basketball-centric culture and a football-centric culture.

Easy fixes. UConn can drop football down to the MAC so they can travel primarily to the upper mid-west and move basketball/olympics to the NBE with their buddies. It's gonna be expensive though to travel to Creighton so UConn can have Creighton kicked out.

Then the American can pick-up Southern Miss to replace UConn.

Win-Win.

wow..... just...... wow.

(04-15-2014 02:32 PM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  Poor UConn. Perhaps they should just shut down the athletic department.

I think they should too

Its just as far for Tulsa to fly to Connecticut as it is for UConn to fly the other way. One difference is it is more convenient for UConn once they reach Tulsa.

But, continue, your entitled.

(04-15-2014 02:48 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Its just as far for Tulsa to fly to Connecticut as it is for UConn to fly the other way. One difference is it is more convenient for UConn once they reach Tulsa.

But, continue, your entitled.

BOOM!

(04-15-2014 01:34 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Membership in the AAC is unsustainable for UConn long term. The issue isn't basketball or football. It's travel for Olympic sports.

Compare their situation to West Virginia's in the Big XII where the Mountaineers have been screaming bloody murder since their first year in the conference about the fact that travel is a killer. Football and basketball aren't the problem; that's what they signed up for. It's everyone else. But the Big XII TV contract + annual BCS money give West Virginia tens of millions of reasons to grin and bear it. With a TV contract that brings in 10% of the revenue that the Big XII's does and no more auto bid to the BCS, UConn has no compensatory benefits in the AAC.

The situation was bad enough when Rutgers and Louisville were still in the conference. But the AAC showed just how much they care about UConn when they replaced Rutgers with Tulsa, a school with little up side, instead of UMass, trading off a 50 mile UMass road trip for UConn for a 1500 mile road trip to Tulsa. Football may be driving the bus, but it's driven it right off the cliff as far as UConn is concerned.

It's nice for UConn that they have Temple just 233 miles away. The addition of Navy is more of a problem than a help because they block the creation of divisions for Olympic sports, something that would help those teams with travel. But Temple and Navy aside, here's how the rest of the travel miles for UConn, 500 miles east of Morgantown, compare with West Virginia's travel distance:

WEST VIRGINIA - UCONN

Iowa St - 861 -- 637 - East Carolina
Kansas - 900 --- 795 - Cincinnati
K State - 981 -- 1210 - UCF
OK ST - 1083 -- 1232 - Memphis
OU ----- 1137 -- 1259 - USF
TCU ---- 1239 -- 1446 - Tulane
Baylor -- 1298 -- 1495 - Tulsa
Texas --- 1399 -- 1691 - SMU
TX Tech - 1467 -- 1770 - Houston

Seriously? Cry about it.

ECU has been in C-TEX for a long time and has had to travel much, much further with a much smaller budget.



No sympathy here.

(04-15-2014 02:28 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 02:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Dumbest thread ever. Starting this year, the AAC makes about 1 million less a year than the old Big East. UConns mens basketball makes a ton of money. UConn womens basketball (unlike most schools) is a money maker. Most P5 programs make most of their money off football ticket sales---no reason that UConn, with 35-40K fans in stadium, cant sell these tickets for a bit more with a slightly better on field record. UConn also has the realignment fund paying them extra income over the next 6 years. If this group is still together in 6 years, the next contract will be much better. The OP is BS. UConn will be fine financially, and better than most. This obviously isn't UConn's dream conference, but they will have no trouble surviving here for an extended period.

Uconn's women bb loses money now. The AAC stripped their $1.2 m a year revenue from Uconn.

If Louisville basketball was a FBS football team it would rank #19 in revenue. Between UConn's mens and womens basketball, UConn should have one of the healthiest athletic departments in the country---regardless of what conference they are in. If UConn is not making money on women's basketball, they need to make some changed on the business side of thier athletics department. They are likley leaving a lot of money on the table. And stop whining about the SNY women's contract. You will get it back in in 6 years--until enjoy that fat realignment fund.

(04-15-2014 02:49 PM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 02:48 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Its just as far for Tulsa to fly to Connecticut as it is for UConn to fly the other way. One difference is it is more convenient for UConn once they reach Tulsa.

But, continue, your entitled.

BOOM!

How simple. Tulsa to Dallas, Houston, Orlando, Tampa, New Orleans, Memphis and Cincy are all closer than all but a couple of Uconn's closest schools!!!!!! Do you not understand???

(04-15-2014 02:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 02:28 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 02:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Dumbest thread ever. Starting this year, the AAC makes about 1 million less a year than the old Big East. UConns mens basketball makes a ton of money. UConn womens basketball (unlike most schools) is a money maker. Most P5 programs make most of their money off football ticket sales---no reason that UConn, with 35-40K fans in stadium, cant sell these tickets for a bit more with a slightly better on field record. UConn also has the realignment fund paying them extra income over the next 6 years. If this group is still together in 6 years, the next contract will be much better. The OP is BS. UConn will be fine financially, and better than most. This obviously isn't UConn's dream conference, but they will have no trouble surviving here for an extended period.

Uconn's women bb loses money now. The AAC stripped their $1.2 m a year revenue from Uconn.

If Louisville basketball was a FBS football team it would rank #19 in revenue. Between UConn's mens and womens basketball, UConn should have one of the healthiest athletic departments in the country---regardless of what conference they are in. If UConn is not making money on women's basketball, they need to make some changed on the business side of thier athletics department. They are likley leaving a lot of money on the table. And stop whining about the SNY women's contract. You will get it back in in 6 years--until enjoy that fat realignment fund.

What are you talking about? BE4evah isn't a UCONN fan, but rather a big UCONN troll. Fail.

The troll congregation has arrived! Full steam ahead!!!

(04-15-2014 02:49 PM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 02:48 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Its just as far for Tulsa to fly to Connecticut as it is for UConn to fly the other way. One difference is it is more convenient for UConn once they reach Tulsa.

But, continue, your entitled.

BOOM!

-28 points? That's actually very impressive. You have to work hard to piss that many people off.

(04-15-2014 02:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 02:28 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 02:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Dumbest thread ever. Starting this year, the AAC makes about 1 million less a year than the old Big East. UConns mens basketball makes a ton of money. UConn womens basketball (unlike most schools) is a money maker. Most P5 programs make most of their money off football ticket sales---no reason that UConn, with 35-40K fans in stadium, cant sell these tickets for a bit more with a slightly better on field record. UConn also has the realignment fund paying them extra income over the next 6 years. If this group is still together in 6 years, the next contract will be much better. The OP is BS. UConn will be fine financially, and better than most. This obviously isn't UConn's dream conference, but they will have no trouble surviving here for an extended period.

Uconn's women bb loses money now. The AAC stripped their $1.2 m a year revenue from Uconn.

If Louisville basketball was a FBS football team it would rank #19 in revenue. Between UConn's mens and womens basketball, UConn should have one of the healthiest athletic departments in the country---regardless of what conference they are in. If UConn is not making money on women's basketball, they need to make some changed on the business side of thier athletics department. They are likley leaving a lot of money on the table. And stop whining about the SNY women's contract. You will get it back in in 6 years--until enjoy that fat realignment fund.

So Uconn losing out on $8 million should make them happy, why?? And now Uconn will be losing even more money as the very astute original poster notes by showing that Uconn has the worst travel of any FBS school. So this massive increase in expenses while a huge reduction in revenue should be met with happiness and glee by Uconn fans?

The uconn insider that says a school like Uconn, in the most populated part of the country has to travel further than anyone is right- it isn't sustainable.

The alternative........................

Connecticutally Controlled Conference or CCC

University of Connecticut
Sacred Heart
University of Hartford
Fairfield University
Quinnipiac University
University of Bridgeport
Eastern Connecticut State University
Manchester Community College
Hartford College for Women
Holy Apostles College and Seminary
Norwalk Community College
Briarwood College

We could scratch the Hartford College for Women if Yale was interested in leaving the Ivy.

Disclaimer: All schools may not have all the required sports yet.

I have no doubt that with UConn's dual national championships, UCF's Fiesta Bowl win, and the rise of SMU hoop, Aresco can renegotiate the contract soon or get a decent amount more money when it expires. By decent, I mean enough for member schools to pay the bills.

Anyway, I know that people are getting sick of UConn posters and saying that UConn fans don't understand that life isn't just basketball. Yes, we UConn fans get that "football drives the bus" in conference realignment. However, it only drives the bus in a POWER conference that earns major football money. At the "group of 5" level, football pays peanuts....no more than basketball. When comparing our media deal to the New Big East, you could even say that football pays LESS than basketball at this level. Mid-major hoop teams that are good can still get respect. Mid-major football is just immediately dismissed as inferior.