If my records are correct, that's 7 bowls for 11 teams in 2014, 7 for 12 teams in 2015, 8 in 2016, 7 in 2017, and 8 in 2018-2019 w/o access or back up considerations. Could these bowls impede back up opportunities that may arise with other P5 bowls...thinking along Texas Bowl lines? Meaning, would the AAC be obligated to fill these slots before being eligible for a P5 bowl w/o a secondary contract?

Not exactly thrilled to be playing anymore Sun Belt games

(04-14-2014 03:03 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Not exactly thrilled to be playing anymore Sun Belt games

Get used to it. P5's are making a push to only play each other in bowl games. To get a bowl game...G5 leagues are going to have to put aside their dislike of each other and work together, otherwise we'll all be screwed.

Besides, as an ASU fan, I want this league associating with someone other than MAC teams for our new bowls. I enjoy playing the MAC, but its getting old. Really need some new blood.

(04-14-2014 02:24 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Well that's nice another bowl that there's almost no chance I'd ever attend.

I don't know...cheap flights, those with kids get a trip to Disney, driving distance to ECU, an hour or so from the beach, renovated Citrus Bowl stadium....

For a 7-5 or 6-6 Bowl game you aren't going to get better than a SBC opponent anyway...but there are a lot of positives that would get attendance. Orlando is one of the better places to have a bowl game. If ECU ever has to play App State, Ga Southern, Ga State or South Alabama, I'd prefer it be at a neutral site Bowl game than on the road.

(04-14-2014 03:09 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 02:24 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Well that's nice another bowl that there's almost no chance I'd ever attend.

I don't know...cheap flights, those with kids get a trip to Disney, driving distance to ECU, an hour or so from the beach, renovated Citrus Bowl stadium....

For a 7-5 or 6-6 Bowl game you aren't going to get better than a SBC opponent anyway...but there are a lot of positives that would get attendance. Orlando is one of the better places to have a bowl game.

Like I said a bowl game I almost certainly won't attend. If we finish 7-5 or 6-6 I'm not likely to be excited or motivated to want to go see ECU play in any bowl game. I did go to the DC bowl when we were 6-6 a few years ago, but that's because in the end it was so close and I could make that trip so cheap that I caved even though I knew the game was a likely blow out. Orlando is nice and all, but hell if I want to go watch ECU play there I'll have the chance every other year to see us play @UCF, who's a much more attractive opponent than any Sun-Belt team. Since this league has teams in lots of places I'd like to go I'm probably just going to pick a conference road game every year to attend and probably not go to any bowl games unless we get the Military or the Access. The Military is so close and against an ACC opponent so I can always justify that, and obviously if we ever make the Access Bowl I wouldn't miss that for the world. Otherwise though all the stars are going to have to align to get me to attend any other bowl game. Maybe in the years the ACC is the opponent in the Beef, or one of the Florida games falls on a weekend and it's against the small list of teams in those conferences I find mildly compelling.

(04-14-2014 02:43 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 02:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Nice town...we really couldn't get a Sunbelt Bowl within 1000 miles of the western schools? We now have 6 bowl ties on (or just off) the east coast. I think the eastern division is set for bowls.....enough already.

I agree if we were going to sign up with another trash bowl we should at least have thrown a bone to the western teams.

Problem with that logic is that the bowl wasn't put together and won't be managed by the conference, but by the city. If a city out west had put it together, I'm sure we would have accepted.

(04-14-2014 03:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:03 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Not exactly thrilled to be playing anymore Sun Belt games

Get used to it. P5's are making a push to only play each other in bowl games. To get a bowl game...G5 leagues are going to have to put aside their dislike of each other and work together, otherwise we'll all be screwed.

Besides, as an ASU fan, I want this league associating with someone other than MAC teams for our new bowls. I enjoy playing the MAC, but its getting old. Really need some new blood.

That idea seems to run contrary to our league theme of trying to separate ourselves from CUSA, Sun Belt, MAC etc.....

I'd rather just not have an 8th bowl

(04-14-2014 03:19 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:03 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Not exactly thrilled to be playing anymore Sun Belt games

Get used to it. P5's are making a push to only play each other in bowl games. To get a bowl game...G5 leagues are going to have to put aside their dislike of each other and work together, otherwise we'll all be screwed.

Besides, as an ASU fan, I want this league associating with someone other than MAC teams for our new bowls. I enjoy playing the MAC, but its getting old. Really need some new blood.

That idea seems to run contrary to our league theme of trying to separate ourselves from CUSA, Sun Belt, MAC etc.....

I'd rather just not have an 8th bowl

I'd rather not have the game, but whatever it's not like anyone can force me to attend it. Game will still get decent ratings (because all bowl games do) and I'll still gladly watch it on TV. I'm not going to fork out several hundred dollars to go to it though.

(04-14-2014 03:19 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:03 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Not exactly thrilled to be playing anymore Sun Belt games

Get used to it. P5's are making a push to only play each other in bowl games. To get a bowl game...G5 leagues are going to have to put aside their dislike of each other and work together, otherwise we'll all be screwed.

Besides, as an ASU fan, I want this league associating with someone other than MAC teams for our new bowls. I enjoy playing the MAC, but its getting old. Really need some new blood.

That idea seems to run contrary to our league theme of trying to separate ourselves from CUSA, Sun Belt, MAC etc.....

I'd rather just not have an 8th bowl

Only problem is that with the P5's separating from everyone else, you're going to be forever lumped in with the rest of us, (though seen as the Top G5 league)

AAC is kind of in a screwy situation because the more G5 expands, the less you guys are going to want to be affiliated with the new FCS schools, but with the more that P5 leagues are able to easily pull from your membership if needed, the less you will be seen as associated with them.

Realignment will make fools of us all.

(04-14-2014 03:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:19 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:03 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Not exactly thrilled to be playing anymore Sun Belt games

Get used to it. P5's are making a push to only play each other in bowl games. To get a bowl game...G5 leagues are going to have to put aside their dislike of each other and work together, otherwise we'll all be screwed.

Besides, as an ASU fan, I want this league associating with someone other than MAC teams for our new bowls. I enjoy playing the MAC, but its getting old. Really need some new blood.

That idea seems to run contrary to our league theme of trying to separate ourselves from CUSA, Sun Belt, MAC etc.....

I'd rather just not have an 8th bowl

I'd rather not have the game, but whatever it's not like anyone can force me to attend it. Game will still get decent ratings (because all bowl games do) and I'll still gladly watch it on TV. I'm not going to fork out several hundred dollars to go to it though.

for what its worth...I agree with you. Considdering the original rumor was the SBC Bowl would be in Little Rock, getting it in Orlando instead stinks as an ASU fan because there is no way I would be able to attend an Orlando game, but it sure as heck is better than nothing.

(04-14-2014 03:09 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 02:24 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Well that's nice another bowl that there's almost no chance I'd ever attend.

I don't know...cheap flights, those with kids get a trip to Disney, driving distance to ECU, an hour or so from the beach, renovated Citrus Bowl stadium....

For a 7-5 or 6-6 Bowl game you aren't going to get better than a SBC opponent anyway...but there are a lot of positives that would get attendance. Orlando is one of the better places to have a bowl game. If ECU ever has to play App State, Ga Southern, Ga State or South Alabama, I'd prefer it be at a neutral site Bowl game than on the road.

Money trap.

That's all any of this **** boils down to.

They should be playing this game in the new soccer stadium not the CB.

(04-14-2014 03:29 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  for what its worth...I agree with you. Considdering the original rumor was the SBC Bowl would be in Little Rock, getting it in Orlando instead stinks as an ASU fan because there is no way I would be able to attend an Orlando game, but it sure as heck is better than nothing.

Little Rock certainly would have made more sense for the SBC, and in some ways for the AAC considering how few options we have for the western teams. It's certainly better than no bowl, but it's gonna be hard to envision a scenario where I'd go to this game. I'd assume this is going to be a lower level pick for the league, so it would likely be a pretty mediocre to bad ECU team to end up there, and then nothing personal to ASU or the rest of the Sun-Belt but the only team in the league I have any feelings towards about playing would be App. So for me to go it would probably have to be App-ECU, fall on a weekend, and then be able to convince a few people to go with me.

(04-14-2014 03:37 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:29 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  for what its worth...I agree with you. Considdering the original rumor was the SBC Bowl would be in Little Rock, getting it in Orlando instead stinks as an ASU fan because there is no way I would be able to attend an Orlando game, but it sure as heck is better than nothing.

Little Rock certainly would have made more sense for the SBC, and in some ways for the AAC considering how few options we have for the western teams. It's certainly better than no bowl, but it's gonna be hard to envision a scenario where I'd go to this game. I'd assume this is going to be a lower level pick for the league, so it would likely be a pretty mediocre to bad ECU team to end up there, and then nothing personal to ASU or the rest of the Sun-Belt but the only team in the league I have any feelings towards about playing would be App.

Little Rock would never work. The group trying to organize the bowl has a ton of work to do. Little Rock is historically a poor Sports Town, and while the bowl could certainly attract 30K ASU fans if we played in the game, we would ultimately be judged by Razorback fans by how the overall crowd looked.

Orlando will be the 4th best SBC team in all likelihood...so it would be mediocre AAC vs semi decent SBC. Wouldn't be a thrilling game either way.

(04-14-2014 03:02 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  If my records are correct, that's 7 bowls for 11 teams in 2014, 7 for 12 teams in 2015, 8 in 2016, 7 in 2017, and 8 in 2018-2019 w/o access or back up considerations. Could these bowls impede back up opportunities that may arise with other P5 bowls...thinking along Texas Bowl lines? Meaning, would the AAC be obligated to fill these slots before being eligible for a P5 bowl w/o a secondary contract?

That is a lot of bowls for a 12 team conference. Perhaps there is an expansion to 14 coming down the pike? Army/UMass? Don't see why the AAC would setup itself with that many bowls. I guess BYU will slip in when you don't have enough bowl eligible teams.

(04-14-2014 03:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:03 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Not exactly thrilled to be playing anymore Sun Belt games

Get used to it. P5's are making a push to only play each other in bowl games. To get a bowl game...G5 leagues are going to have to put aside their dislike of each other and work together, otherwise we'll all be screwed.

Besides, as an ASU fan, I want this league associating with someone other than MAC teams for our new bowls. I enjoy playing the MAC, but its getting old. Really need some new blood.

I think the issue to me is HOW the G5 worked together. The G5 conferences should have used some of the 85 million dollars available from the College Football Playoff to create 3 new bowls that would have high enough payouts to attract a top 3/4 pick from power conferences (or at least be included in the Music City/Liberty bowl pool). The idea being, every G5 champ gets a quality post season destination. Under my proposal, we would send the top G5 champ to a BCS bowl, the next two G5 champs would play 3/4/5 selection from some P5 conference in two of the newly created G5 owned bowls. The bottom 2 G5 champs would play against each other in the 3rd G5 owned bowl. If the bowls are run right, most of the money needed to pay for the bowls would be returned to the shared G5 fund via TV rights fees and ticket sales. We might even make money.

Instead, we worked together to create a bunch of low end bowls against one another. We need some of those as well, but it was FAR more important to create a small pool of bowls that would have served as appropriate showcase bowls for the G5 champs. As a group, the G5 swung and missed badly on this bowl cycle--mainly because they simply lacked strategy any real vision.

I almost feel bad for the folks that get suckered into wasting their $$$ on this nonsense.

(04-14-2014 03:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 03:03 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Not exactly thrilled to be playing anymore Sun Belt games

Get used to it. P5's are making a push to only play each other in bowl games. To get a bowl game...G5 leagues are going to have to put aside their dislike of each other and work together, otherwise we'll all be screwed.

Besides, as an ASU fan, I want this league associating with someone other than MAC teams for our new bowls. I enjoy playing the MAC, but its getting old. Really need some new blood.

I think the issue to me is HOW the G5 worked together. The G5 conferences should have used some of the 85 million dollars available from the College Football Playoff to create 3 new bowls that would have high enough payouts to attract a top 3/4 pick from power conferences (or at least be included in the Music City/Liberty bowl pool). You would then send the top G5 to BCS bowl, the next two G5 champs would play 3/4/5 selection from some P5 conference in two of the newly created G5 owned bowls. The bottom 2 G5 champs would play against each other in the 3rd G5 owned bowl.

Instead, we worked together to create a bunch of bowls against each other. We need some of those as well, but it was FAR more important to create a small pool of bowls that would have served as appropriate showcase bowls for the G5 champs. As a group, the G5 swung and missed badly on this bowl cycle--mainly because they simply lacked any real vision.

I think an American versus Mountain West game in Texas that included a top 3 pick from each league would have been more attractive than a lot of these junk bowls. At the end of the day bowl games are just exhibition games outside of the top tier. Give me a good location, warm weather, and fun things to do when I am down there.

(04-14-2014 01:58 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  American Bowl tie-ins

Every year:
Birmingham vs SEC
Military vs ACC
St. Pete vs ACC/CUSA (3 years each)
Miami Beach vs MAC/CUSA/SBC (2 years each)
Cure Bowl vs SBC

Rotation:
Armed Forces vs Army/XII (2014, 2016, 2018)
Hawaii vs MWC (2015, 2017, 2019)
Bahamas vs MAC (2014, 2016, 2018)
Boca vs MAC/CUSA (2015, 2016, 2017, 2019)
New Orleans vs SBC/CUSA (2018, 2019)

Secondary ties:
Liberty vs SEC/XII
Independence vs ACC/SEC/CUSA (CUSA also has secondary tie)

I think we also have a secondary tie with the Poinsettia bowl.

How did The Cure get a bowl game before Aerosmith?