Players who play for winning teams know what it takes to win. They have been exposed to that. That's one reason I knew D'Vonte would be a good player for us. He was a key player on his team at every level. Derek Fisher was probably the fifth rated player on a great high school team where every starter earned a D1 scholarship. Mark Green and Alex Finger were starters on a great Central team featuring Joe Johnson, and they were good players for us, although Alex only played one season. If I'm recruiting, I'm looking for winning teams, high school and juco, and trying to find starters who aren't getting scholarships to big schools, but know how to win and can develop into solid mid major players.

You can see it in how some players compete. I don't know what kind of high school teams Josh played for, but I'll bet it was a good one. He has that competitive spirit you see in players on winning teams. Taggart was that same type of player. And Leroy. I don't know, but I'll bet they both played on good high school teams. I think Stetson played at a small school, but I think they were good. Get players who are unselfish who know how to win.
That's the key.

(04-13-2014 12:52 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  Players who play for winning teams know what it takes to win. They have been exposed to that. That's one reason I knew D'Vonte would be a good player for us. He was a key player on his team at every level. Derek Fisher was probably the fifth rated player on a great high school team where every starter earned a D1 scholarship. Mark Green and Alex Finger were starters on a great Central team featuring Joe Johnson, and they were good players for us, although Alex only played one season. If I'm recruiting, I'm looking for winning teams, high school and juco, and trying to find starters who aren't getting scholarships to big schools, but know how to win and can develop into solid mid major players.

You can see it in how some players compete. I don't know what kind of high school teams Josh played for, but I'll bet it was a good one. He has that competitive spirit you see in players on winning teams. Taggart was that same type of player. And Leroy. I don't know, but I'll bet they both played on good high school teams. I think Stetson played at a small school, but I think they were good. Get players who are unselfish who know how to win.
That's the key.

Seems like we would have a better chance of finding a "sleeper" on a bad team. The great teams are being scouted by all the top schools and they'll often spot someone else on the team, other then the guy they came to see, who might deserve a BCS scholarship. Those coaches aren't looking at the bad teams. One blue chip player is often enough to make a high school team very good.

(04-13-2014 01:39 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(04-13-2014 12:52 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  Players who play for winning teams know what it takes to win. They have been exposed to that. That's one reason I knew D'Vonte would be a good player for us. He was a key player on his team at every level. Derek Fisher was probably the fifth rated player on a great high school team where every starter earned a D1 scholarship. Mark Green and Alex Finger were starters on a great Central team featuring Joe Johnson, and they were good players for us, although Alex only played one season. If I'm recruiting, I'm looking for winning teams, high school and juco, and trying to find starters who aren't getting scholarships to big schools, but know how to win and can develop into solid mid major players.

You can see it in how some players compete. I don't know what kind of high school teams Josh played for, but I'll bet it was a good one. He has that competitive spirit you see in players on winning teams. Taggart was that same type of player. And Leroy. I don't know, but I'll bet they both played on good high school teams. I think Stetson played at a small school, but I think they were good. Get players who are unselfish who know how to win.
That's the key.

Seems like we would have a better chance of finding a "sleeper" on a bad team. The great teams are being scouted by all the top schools and they'll often spot someone else on the team, other then the guy they came to see, who might deserve a BCS scholarship. Those coaches aren't looking at the bad teams. One blue chip player is often enough to make a high school team very good.

Good players can't hide anymore. In the days before AAU summer ball, a La Tech could find players like Karl Malone. He was from a small town, didn't play summer ball, and the big boys didn't know about him. Today, they'd be all over him by the time he was in the tenth grade. Plus a great player on a bad team will stand out so much that he draws attention.
I don't know what kind of teams Richard Hardaman and Co Willis played on, but they were very solid players, and it's possible they were on good teams. Seems like Richard was the leading rebounder in Oklahoma as a high school senior, if I recall correctly.

(04-13-2014 06:26 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(04-13-2014 01:39 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(04-13-2014 12:52 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  Players who play for winning teams know what it takes to win. They have been exposed to that. That's one reason I knew D'Vonte would be a good player for us. He was a key player on his team at every level. Derek Fisher was probably the fifth rated player on a great high school team where every starter earned a D1 scholarship. Mark Green and Alex Finger were starters on a great Central team featuring Joe Johnson, and they were good players for us, although Alex only played one season. If I'm recruiting, I'm looking for winning teams, high school and juco, and trying to find starters who aren't getting scholarships to big schools, but know how to win and can develop into solid mid major players.

You can see it in how some players compete. I don't know what kind of high school teams Josh played for, but I'll bet it was a good one. He has that competitive spirit you see in players on winning teams. Taggart was that same type of player. And Leroy. I don't know, but I'll bet they both played on good high school teams. I think Stetson played at a small school, but I think they were good. Get players who are unselfish who know how to win.
That's the key.

Seems like we would have a better chance of finding a "sleeper" on a bad team. The great teams are being scouted by all the top schools and they'll often spot someone else on the team, other then the guy they came to see, who might deserve a BCS scholarship. Those coaches aren't looking at the bad teams. One blue chip player is often enough to make a high school team very good.

Good players can't hide anymore. In the days before AAU summer ball, a La Tech could find players like Karl Malone. He was from a small town, didn't play summer ball, and the big boys didn't know about him. Today, they'd be all over him by the time he was in the tenth grade. Plus a great player on a bad team will stand out so much that he draws attention.
I don't know what kind of teams Richard Hardaman and Co Willis played on, but they were very solid players, and it's possible they were on good teams. Seems like Richard was the leading rebounder in Oklahoma as a high school senior, if I recall correctly.

Ron Baker came pretty close to falling through the cracks. Some AAU coach had to beg Greg Marshall to come see him play or he probably would have ended up here.

(04-13-2014 08:07 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(04-13-2014 06:26 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(04-13-2014 01:39 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(04-13-2014 12:52 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  Players who play for winning teams know what it takes to win. They have been exposed to that. That's one reason I knew D'Vonte would be a good player for us. He was a key player on his team at every level. Derek Fisher was probably the fifth rated player on a great high school team where every starter earned a D1 scholarship. Mark Green and Alex Finger were starters on a great Central team featuring Joe Johnson, and they were good players for us, although Alex only played one season. If I'm recruiting, I'm looking for winning teams, high school and juco, and trying to find starters who aren't getting scholarships to big schools, but know how to win and can develop into solid mid major players.

You can see it in how some players compete. I don't know what kind of high school teams Josh played for, but I'll bet it was a good one. He has that competitive spirit you see in players on winning teams. Taggart was that same type of player. And Leroy. I don't know, but I'll bet they both played on good high school teams. I think Stetson played at a small school, but I think they were good. Get players who are unselfish who know how to win.
That's the key.

Seems like we would have a better chance of finding a "sleeper" on a bad team. The great teams are being scouted by all the top schools and they'll often spot someone else on the team, other then the guy they came to see, who might deserve a BCS scholarship. Those coaches aren't looking at the bad teams. One blue chip player is often enough to make a high school team very good.

Good players can't hide anymore. In the days before AAU summer ball, a La Tech could find players like Karl Malone. He was from a small town, didn't play summer ball, and the big boys didn't know about him. Today, they'd be all over him by the time he was in the tenth grade. Plus a great player on a bad team will stand out so much that he draws attention.
I don't know what kind of teams Richard Hardaman and Co Willis played on, but they were very solid players, and it's possible they were on good teams. Seems like Richard was the leading rebounder in Oklahoma as a high school senior, if I recall correctly.

Ron Baker came pretty close to falling through the cracks. Some AAU coach had to beg Greg Marshall to come see him play or he probably would have ended up here.

But he had an AAU coach to inform the coach about him.

Usually good teams have good players and good coaches. And sometimes those good players may not have outstanding numbers if they have a lot of depth. But good coaches know good coaches, and they learn to trust the assessments of those coaches. And they know the players who can do the things that make winning teams, even the things that don't show up on the stat sheet.