A quote from a article about BYU being left on in the cold, if new DIV 4 is created. Also some other notable comments about making it publicly known, you want to be a part of the P5.

"In his address Monday, Bowlsby seconded an opinion that Alabama coach Nick Saban threw out last week at the SEC meetings, that the day could come where top-five BCS conference schools might choose to only play games amongst themselves in the future, and not play teams from the Mountain West, Sun Belt, Conference USA, MAC or American conferences."

"I think that selling yourself -- no one likes to see someone out there selling themselves all the time," Holmoe said. "In some instances, I have seen [schools] that put themselves out there publicly, and then get denied. It doesn't look good. And so I think the best course for us is to have the discussions, to monitor the future, and have these discussions off-line. And they know exactly what we want, and what our desires are. So to put that out there publicly is not the right course."

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Thanks BCP. That was an interesting article on BYU's current position . I just don't see which P5 conference they would fit in. I guess the Big 12 and the PAC 12 would be the most logical, but there are obstacles to overcome in either scenario. And as for Saban's comments; I just don't ever see that happening & I am curious as to his motive for saying it.

Of course, Bowlsby and Saban are both connected with P5 conferences that rely heavily on the allowance of one FCS game per season, and have several schools that are so enamored of playing FCS schools that they not only schedule the allowed FCS school but seek out a second school that was an FCS school in the recent past.

When I see most of the SEC and Big12 refrain from scheduling FCS schools, then I will start to take more seriously any remarks they make about not playing Go5 schools.

Holmoe has an unenviable job. BYU has both a traditional fan base and a non-traditional fan base. The traditional fan base are true football/sports fans, many who live in close enough proximity to Provo to be season ticket holders. Independence with its abundance of 2:1 or lopsided H:H:N (opponent backyard) series has meant a lot of filler in the midst of a home schedule that may not even reach six games some years. That arrangement is going to increasingly test the commitment of the traditional fan base.

The non-traditional fan base are the people who enjoy BYU athletics as an extension of their religion and aren't very sports savvy and generally would continue to follow the team as long as they're winning and they don't have to pay for a sports tier to catch a game. Indy is ideal for these fans.

I'm not sure if satisfying the broader Mormon population or satisfying the real fans is the greater priority, but trying to please both with Indy is a tough act.

(04-12-2014 06:25 PM)texasorange Wrote:  And as for Saban's comments; I just don't ever see that happening & I am curious as to his motive for saying it.

There's a lot of unhappiness among the ticket base at paying Notre Dame prices to see Western Carolina and Chattanooga.

I have no worries about the P5 choosing "to only play games amongst themselves in the future." If that happened they would all have to play half of their games on the road, rather than playing seven or eight at home every season. And half of the P5 schools would end up with losing seasons every year and miss out on bowl games. Their fans would riot at the very prospect. Will never happen.

(04-12-2014 07:38 PM)Proud Bammer Wrote:  

(04-12-2014 06:25 PM)texasorange Wrote:  And as for Saban's comments; I just don't ever see that happening & I am curious as to his motive for saying it.

There's a lot of unhappiness among the ticket base at paying Notre Dame prices to see Western Carolina and Chattanooga.

So are you saying that Alabama doesn't want to pay decent money to schools from other conferences outside of the P5 or are you saying that Alabama has to pay more than anyone else in the P5 to play schools outside of the P5?

(04-12-2014 07:55 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I have no worries about the P5 choosing "to only play games amongst themselves in the future." If that happened they would all have to play half of their games on the road, rather than playing seven or eight at home every season. And half of the P5 schools would end up with losing seasons every year and miss out on bowl games. Their fans would riot at the very prospect. Will never happen.

Agreed.

(04-12-2014 08:01 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(04-12-2014 07:38 PM)Proud Bammer Wrote:  

(04-12-2014 06:25 PM)texasorange Wrote:  And as for Saban's comments; I just don't ever see that happening & I am curious as to his motive for saying it.

There's a lot of unhappiness among the ticket base at paying Notre Dame prices to see Western Carolina and Chattanooga.

So are you saying that Alabama doesn't want to pay decent money to schools from other conferences outside of the P5 or are you saying that Alabama has to pay more than anyone else in the P5 to play schools outside of the P5?

I think that he is saying that some Alabama fans think that tickets should be priced more for teams like LSU, Notre Dame and Michigan and discounted for teams like Western Carolina and UT-Chattanooga.

Indy isn't gonna work for BYU much longer.

They need to pick up the phone, call Bowlsby and figure out what it's gonna take to make it work.

The B1G made 11 work for decades, no reason the B12 couldn't until a suitable 12 presented

(04-12-2014 08:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Indy isn't gonna work for BYU much longer.

They need to pick up the phone, call Bowlsby and figure out what it's gonna take to make it work.

The B1G made 11 work for decades, no reason the B12 couldn't until a suitable 12 presented

BYU just seems like a very bad fit for the Big 12 unless it's football only. IMO opinion they would be better off trying to get a ND type deal with the AAC. Where they would only have to play seven conference games, get full access to bowls/access bowl, got access to the conference championship game, and retained rights to their other five games. This could easily be done if they play six teams in their division and one crossover game.

This would give them the SOS needed to make the playoff if they ever go undefeated as long as they continue to schedule Utah and two other P5 teams. Not to mention the Fiesta bowl what jump at a top ten BYU any year.

(04-12-2014 08:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-12-2014 08:01 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(04-12-2014 07:38 PM)Proud Bammer Wrote:  

(04-12-2014 06:25 PM)texasorange Wrote:  And as for Saban's comments; I just don't ever see that happening & I am curious as to his motive for saying it.

There's a lot of unhappiness among the ticket base at paying Notre Dame prices to see Western Carolina and Chattanooga.

So are you saying that Alabama doesn't want to pay decent money to schools from other conferences outside of the P5 or are you saying that Alabama has to pay more than anyone else in the P5 to play schools outside of the P5?

I think that he is saying that some Alabama fans think that tickets should be priced more for teams like LSU, Notre Dame and Michigan and discounted for teams like Western Carolina and UT-Chattanooga.

And Alabama can do that without requesting a complete separation. All they have to do is discount tickets for certain games. Lots of schools have different prices for different games.

Note that this article was originally published last July. So those quotes are from what was being talked about last summer, the saber-rattling by the P5.

(04-12-2014 08:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-12-2014 08:01 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(04-12-2014 07:38 PM)Proud Bammer Wrote:  

(04-12-2014 06:25 PM)texasorange Wrote:  And as for Saban's comments; I just don't ever see that happening & I am curious as to his motive for saying it.

There's a lot of unhappiness among the ticket base at paying Notre Dame prices to see Western Carolina and Chattanooga.

So are you saying that Alabama doesn't want to pay decent money to schools from other conferences outside of the P5 or are you saying that Alabama has to pay more than anyone else in the P5 to play schools outside of the P5?

I think that he is saying that some Alabama fans think that tickets should be priced more for teams like LSU, Notre Dame and Michigan and discounted for teams like Western Carolina and UT-Chattanooga.

Thanks Terry. That makes more sense.

(04-12-2014 09:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  Note that this article was originally published last July. So those quotes are from what was being talked about last summer, the saber-rattling by the P5.

I did not notice. Thanks bullet!

(04-12-2014 08:52 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(04-12-2014 08:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Indy isn't gonna work for BYU much longer.

They need to pick up the phone, call Bowlsby and figure out what it's gonna take to make it work.

The B1G made 11 work for decades, no reason the B12 couldn't until a suitable 12 presented

BYU just seems like a very bad fit for the Big 12 unless it's football only. IMO opinion they would be better off trying to get a ND type deal with the AAC. Where they would only have to play seven conference games, get full access to bowls/access bowl, got access to the conference championship game, and retained rights to their other five games. This could easily be done if they play six teams in their division and one crossover game.

This would give them the SOS needed to make the playoff if they ever go undefeated as long as they continue to schedule Utah and two other P5 teams. Not to mention the Fiesta bowl what jump at a top ten BYU any year.

The AAC is already scheduling about 1/3 of BYU's games without having to share bowl access. BYU would undoubtedly schedule more games with the AAC if the AAC opened up some late season slots. Again, BYU has no scheduling leverage, so there is no reason for AAC to give up bowl access.

(04-12-2014 10:08 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(04-12-2014 08:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-12-2014 08:01 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(04-12-2014 07:38 PM)Proud Bammer Wrote:  

(04-12-2014 06:25 PM)texasorange Wrote:  And as for Saban's comments; I just don't ever see that happening & I am curious as to his motive for saying it.

There's a lot of unhappiness among the ticket base at paying Notre Dame prices to see Western Carolina and Chattanooga.

So are you saying that Alabama doesn't want to pay decent money to schools from other conferences outside of the P5 or are you saying that Alabama has to pay more than anyone else in the P5 to play schools outside of the P5?

I think that he is saying that some Alabama fans think that tickets should be priced more for teams like LSU, Notre Dame and Michigan and discounted for teams like Western Carolina and UT-Chattanooga.

Thanks Terry. That makes more sense.

Nominal ticket prices already are on a meaningless sliding scale:

Florida Atlantic $55
Southern Miss $55
Florida $85
Texas A&M $100
Mississippi State $75
Western Carolina $55
Auburn $100

$415 per season ticket PLUS $430 donation to Tide Pride per seat (there are lower donation levels, and higher ones up to a couple grand. Per seat). Or about half again as much as the nominal price, or $122.14 per seat per game.

At $122 per seat, I expect to see Notre fricking Dame, not Florida Atlantic. Not Western Carolina. To get to see Auburn and A&M, you have to pay for Florida Atlantic. I'm sure Florida Atlantic is a good school and all, well actually I have no idea and I don't want to have any idea. Did Florida run out of directions for directional schools?

I do not give a **** what the athletic department is paying other schools. My wiener size does not ebb and flow based on athletic profits. I am a customer and I consider the product sub-standard. Let Florida Atlantic go play with Georgia Pacific.

So to sum up, I want a 12-team SEC playing 11 league games and no out of conference and free tix for alumni. And I want ice cream.

Tell me more about this ice cream.

(04-12-2014 06:34 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Of course, Bowlsby and Saban are both connected with P5 conferences that rely heavily on the allowance of one FCS game per season, and have several schools that are so enamored of playing FCS schools that they not only schedule the allowed FCS school but seek out a second school that was an FCS school in the recent past.

When I see most of the SEC and Big12 refrain from scheduling FCS schools, then I will start to take more seriously any remarks they make about not playing Go5 schools.

not sure why you are bringing up the Big 12 in this since the Big 10 plays plenty of D1-AA teams and plenty of teams from bad conferences as well

Nick Saban made the comment not a coach from the Big 12

I will never fully understand why the B12 didn't take Louisville and Cincinnati along with WVU to create a VERY nice eastern segment to the conference. But that's water under the bridge, as they say. Having said that, BYU has some leverage with the B12 as well in bringing in leverage and probably is trying to consider that option behind the scenes. My personal opinion is that the B12 will expand at some point and barring something crazy like a couple of ACC teams moving (which seems improbable) then BYU and Cincinnati make a good pairing to bring gains to the conference.

But I think BYU will have to do something to get into the P5 equation.