Some interesting results in the conferences after the Winter and Fall sports are now completed. http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacd...DILSDC.pdf

With only the Spring sports to go:


P12 Average Team Ranking 42
B10 Average Team Ranking 34
ACC Average Team Ranking 45
B12 Average Team Ranking 58
SEC Average Team Ranking 41

This is all sports. Each conference has an identifiable dog to go with their leader:

P12 - Washington State 159, Stanford 1
B10 - Rutgers 80, PSU 2
ACC - GT 155, UNC 4
B12 - Kansas State 131, Texas 10
SEC - Vandy 94, Florida 6

To me the most interesting is in the ACC. GT at 155 is shocking. However even Clemson is down at 85. However both schools usually have superior Spring sports in baseball, etc.

When you re-rank dumping out each conference's dog you get the following:

B10 - 30
P12 - 31
ACC - 37
SEC - 37
B12 - 50

So much is made about just football and then men's basketball, these numbers let you see an overall picture beyond just those two sports.

For the expansion minded:

BYU - 26
UConn - 32 (all of UConn's points are from basketball and without that they are 173 - they seem to be most reliant of any school on one sport)
New Mexico - 36
Harvard - 43
Dartmouth - 44
Princeton - 47
Georgetown - 50
Navy - 76
Cincy - 171 (Why so low)
Temple - 170

Of those that moved up or just moved over the last 10 years:

Nebraska 22
VT 24
ND 5
Miami 70
MD 35
TAMU 14
Mizzou 39
BC 71
Pitt 63
Syracuse 46
Louisville 20
Utah 59
Colorado 27
WVa 42
TCU 99

If you look at the conference averages:

The ACC added 3 schools better than the conference average ND, VT, and Louisville, one near the average, Syracuse, and three below Pitt, Miami, and BC.

The B10 did the same but with fewer schools. Nebraska clearly better, MD just average, and Rutgers well below.

The B12 added on at the average - WVa, and one well below TCU.

The SEC added one at the average Mizzou, but one clearly better - TAMU.

The P12 added one near the average, Colorado, and one well below -Utah.

It will be interesting to see if this changes much at the end of the Spring. I think this goes a long way to showing why expansion and realignment has stopped for the time being.

Louisville's current conference is BAD. Yikes, some of those teams really need to pick it up, eps. Cincy. At least Memphis is @ 77, but that is literally the next one down after UCoon, then its in the trip-digits before you get to the 3rd Aac team (after this season) in Smu @ 109.

I agree w/ OP, GT's ranking is alarming..

I counted 34 P5 schools UConn is above thus far in the year.

(04-10-2014 11:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Some interesting results in the conferences after the Winter and Fall sports are now completed. http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacd...DILSDC.pdf

With only the Spring sports to go:


P12 Average Team Ranking 42
B10 Average Team Ranking 34
ACC Average Team Ranking 45
B12 Average Team Ranking 58
SEC Average Team Ranking 41

This is all sports. Each conference has an identifiable dog to go with their leader:

P12 - Washington State 159, Stanford 1
B10 - Rutgers 80, PSU 2
ACC - GT 155, UNC 4
B12 - Kansas State 131, Texas 10
SEC - Vandy 94, Florida 6

To me the most interesting is in the ACC. GT at 155 is shocking. However even Clemson is down at 85. However both schools usually have superior Spring sports in baseball, etc.

When you re-rank dumping out each conference's dog you get the following:

B10 - 30
P12 - 31
ACC - 37
SEC - 37
B12 - 50

So much is made about just football and then men's basketball, these numbers let you see an overall picture beyond just those two sports.

For the expansion minded:

BYU - 26
UConn - 32 (all of UConn's points are from basketball and without that they are 173 - they seem to be most reliant of any school on one sport)
New Mexico - 36
Harvard - 43
Dartmouth - 44
Princeton - 47
Georgetown - 50
Navy - 76
Cincy - 171 (Why so low)
Temple - 170

Of those that moved up or just moved over the last 10 years:

Nebraska 22
VT 24
ND 5
Miami 70
MD 35
TAMU 14
Mizzou 39
BC 71
Pitt 63
Syracuse 46
Louisville 20
Utah 59
Colorado 27
WVa 42
TCU 99

If you look at the conference averages:

The ACC added 3 schools better than the conference average ND, VT, and Louisville, one near the average, Syracuse, and three below Pitt, Miami, and BC.

The B10 did the same but with fewer schools. Nebraska clearly better, MD just average, and Rutgers well below.

The B12 added on at the average - WVa, and one well below TCU.

The SEC added one at the average Mizzou, but one clearly better - TAMU.

The P12 added one near the average, Colorado, and one well below -Utah.

It will be interesting to see if this changes much at the end of the Spring. I think this goes a long way to showing why expansion and realignment has stopped for the time being.

Cincinnati sports outside of football and men's basketball is a dumpster fire right now. A few years back the AD (current Illinois AD Mike Thomas) cut funding to those sports. It wasn't until last year that Whit Babcock reinstated all of the funding. Hopefully UC can begin to get back on track. We used to have some decent olympic sports-- especially tack and field and women's volleyball.

It will be one very cold cold day down south before womens' volleyball, mens soccer or womens basketball, even, make one dent in expansion viability.

Football and markets....with men's basketball really trailing.

Spring season should help out the PAC and SEC.

(04-10-2014 11:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Some interesting results in the conferences after the Winter and Fall sports are now completed. http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacd...DILSDC.pdf

With only the Spring sports to go:


P12 Average Team Ranking 42
B10 Average Team Ranking 34
ACC Average Team Ranking 45
B12 Average Team Ranking 58
SEC Average Team Ranking 41

This is all sports. Each conference has an identifiable dog to go with their leader:

P12 - Washington State 159, Stanford 1
B10 - Rutgers 80, PSU 2
ACC - GT 155, UNC 4
B12 - Kansas State 131, Texas 10
SEC - Vandy 94, Florida 6

To me the most interesting is in the ACC. GT at 155 is shocking. However even Clemson is down at 85. However both schools usually have superior Spring sports in baseball, etc.

When you re-rank dumping out each conference's dog you get the following:

B10 - 30
P12 - 31
ACC - 37
SEC - 37
B12 - 50

So much is made about just football and then men's basketball, these numbers let you see an overall picture beyond just those two sports.

For the expansion minded:

BYU - 26
UConn - 32 (all of UConn's points are from basketball and without that they are 173 - they seem to be most reliant of any school on one sport)
New Mexico - 36
Harvard - 43
Dartmouth - 44
Princeton - 47
Georgetown - 50
Navy - 76
Cincy - 171 (Why so low)
Temple - 170

Of those that moved up or just moved over the last 10 years:

Nebraska 22
VT 24
ND 5
Miami 70
MD 35
TAMU 14
Mizzou 39
BC 71
Pitt 63
Syracuse 46
Louisville 20
Utah 59
Colorado 27
WVa 42
TCU 99

If you look at the conference averages:

The ACC added 3 schools better than the conference average ND, VT, and Louisville, one near the average, Syracuse, and three below Pitt, Miami, and BC.

The B10 did the same but with fewer schools. Nebraska clearly better, MD just average, and Rutgers well below.

The B12 added on at the average - WVa, and one well below TCU.

The SEC added one at the average Mizzou, but one clearly better - TAMU.

The P12 added one near the average, Colorado, and one well below -Utah.

It will be interesting to see if this changes much at the end of the Spring. I think this goes a long way to showing why expansion and realignment has stopped for the time being.

Georgia Tech and Clemson's rank only reflects the fact that both schools don't offer many sports. They meet the criteria for being a D-I school (six men's sports and 8 women's, with 200 scholarship minimum), but not much more. The rankings are largely a measure of how many sports a school competes in. Stanford, Notre Dame and UNC are always going to be near the top of this list.

(04-11-2014 10:57 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 11:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Some interesting results in the conferences after the Winter and Fall sports are now completed. http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacd...DILSDC.pdf

With only the Spring sports to go:


P12 Average Team Ranking 42
B10 Average Team Ranking 34
ACC Average Team Ranking 45
B12 Average Team Ranking 58
SEC Average Team Ranking 41

This is all sports. Each conference has an identifiable dog to go with their leader:

P12 - Washington State 159, Stanford 1
B10 - Rutgers 80, PSU 2
ACC - GT 155, UNC 4
B12 - Kansas State 131, Texas 10
SEC - Vandy 94, Florida 6

To me the most interesting is in the ACC. GT at 155 is shocking. However even Clemson is down at 85. However both schools usually have superior Spring sports in baseball, etc.

When you re-rank dumping out each conference's dog you get the following:

B10 - 30
P12 - 31
ACC - 37
SEC - 37
B12 - 50

So much is made about just football and then men's basketball, these numbers let you see an overall picture beyond just those two sports.

For the expansion minded:

BYU - 26
UConn - 32 (all of UConn's points are from basketball and without that they are 173 - they seem to be most reliant of any school on one sport)
New Mexico - 36
Harvard - 43
Dartmouth - 44
Princeton - 47
Georgetown - 50
Navy - 76
Cincy - 171 (Why so low)
Temple - 170

Of those that moved up or just moved over the last 10 years:

Nebraska 22
VT 24
ND 5
Miami 70
MD 35
TAMU 14
Mizzou 39
BC 71
Pitt 63
Syracuse 46
Louisville 20
Utah 59
Colorado 27
WVa 42
TCU 99

If you look at the conference averages:

The ACC added 3 schools better than the conference average ND, VT, and Louisville, one near the average, Syracuse, and three below Pitt, Miami, and BC.

The B10 did the same but with fewer schools. Nebraska clearly better, MD just average, and Rutgers well below.

The B12 added on at the average - WVa, and one well below TCU.

The SEC added one at the average Mizzou, but one clearly better - TAMU.

The P12 added one near the average, Colorado, and one well below -Utah.

It will be interesting to see if this changes much at the end of the Spring. I think this goes a long way to showing why expansion and realignment has stopped for the time being.

Georgia Tech and Clemson's rank only reflects the fact that both schools don't offer many sports. They meet the criteria for being a D-I school (six men's sports and 8 women's, with 200 scholarship minimum), but not much more. The rankings are largely a measure of how many sports a school competes in. Stanford, Notre Dame and UNC are always going to be near the top of this list.

Isn't that a good list to be at the top? Isn't offering/competing in more sports rather than less sports something to shoot for? A more well, rounded athletic program, instead of just the minimum?

(04-11-2014 11:21 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-11-2014 10:57 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 11:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Some interesting results in the conferences after the Winter and Fall sports are now completed. http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacd...DILSDC.pdf

With only the Spring sports to go:


P12 Average Team Ranking 42
B10 Average Team Ranking 34
ACC Average Team Ranking 45
B12 Average Team Ranking 58
SEC Average Team Ranking 41

This is all sports. Each conference has an identifiable dog to go with their leader:

P12 - Washington State 159, Stanford 1
B10 - Rutgers 80, PSU 2
ACC - GT 155, UNC 4
B12 - Kansas State 131, Texas 10
SEC - Vandy 94, Florida 6

To me the most interesting is in the ACC. GT at 155 is shocking. However even Clemson is down at 85. However both schools usually have superior Spring sports in baseball, etc.

When you re-rank dumping out each conference's dog you get the following:

B10 - 30
P12 - 31
ACC - 37
SEC - 37
B12 - 50

So much is made about just football and then men's basketball, these numbers let you see an overall picture beyond just those two sports.

For the expansion minded:

BYU - 26
UConn - 32 (all of UConn's points are from basketball and without that they are 173 - they seem to be most reliant of any school on one sport)
New Mexico - 36
Harvard - 43
Dartmouth - 44
Princeton - 47
Georgetown - 50
Navy - 76
Cincy - 171 (Why so low)
Temple - 170

Of those that moved up or just moved over the last 10 years:

Nebraska 22
VT 24
ND 5
Miami 70
MD 35
TAMU 14
Mizzou 39
BC 71
Pitt 63
Syracuse 46
Louisville 20
Utah 59
Colorado 27
WVa 42
TCU 99

If you look at the conference averages:

The ACC added 3 schools better than the conference average ND, VT, and Louisville, one near the average, Syracuse, and three below Pitt, Miami, and BC.

The B10 did the same but with fewer schools. Nebraska clearly better, MD just average, and Rutgers well below.

The B12 added on at the average - WVa, and one well below TCU.

The SEC added one at the average Mizzou, but one clearly better - TAMU.

The P12 added one near the average, Colorado, and one well below -Utah.

It will be interesting to see if this changes much at the end of the Spring. I think this goes a long way to showing why expansion and realignment has stopped for the time being.

Georgia Tech and Clemson's rank only reflects the fact that both schools don't offer many sports. They meet the criteria for being a D-I school (six men's sports and 8 women's, with 200 scholarship minimum), but not much more. The rankings are largely a measure of how many sports a school competes in. Stanford, Notre Dame and UNC are always going to be near the top of this list.

Isn't that a good list to be at the top? Isn't offering/competing in more sports rather than less sports something to shoot for? A more well, rounded athletic program, instead of just the minimum?

In general, it is. But if you want to make your school look better, this is a way to "game the system", since the Director's cup seems to give equal weight to sports that have a lot of participants and those that have only a few. Notice how many of the schools near the top of the current standings earned a lot of points in Fencing, Rifle and Women's Ice Hockey - sports that few schools offer. Notice that points aren't awarded for men's hockey.

Some sports offered by most schools, like Track & Field and Swimming & Diving, and which have a large number of individual participants, are harder to get a large number of Director's Club points.

At least Bowling isn't one of the sports you get points for.

(04-11-2014 11:37 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-11-2014 11:21 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-11-2014 10:57 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 11:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Some interesting results in the conferences after the Winter and Fall sports are now completed. http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacd...DILSDC.pdf

With only the Spring sports to go:


P12 Average Team Ranking 42
B10 Average Team Ranking 34
ACC Average Team Ranking 45
B12 Average Team Ranking 58
SEC Average Team Ranking 41

This is all sports. Each conference has an identifiable dog to go with their leader:

P12 - Washington State 159, Stanford 1
B10 - Rutgers 80, PSU 2
ACC - GT 155, UNC 4
B12 - Kansas State 131, Texas 10
SEC - Vandy 94, Florida 6

To me the most interesting is in the ACC. GT at 155 is shocking. However even Clemson is down at 85. However both schools usually have superior Spring sports in baseball, etc.

When you re-rank dumping out each conference's dog you get the following:

B10 - 30
P12 - 31
ACC - 37
SEC - 37
B12 - 50

So much is made about just football and then men's basketball, these numbers let you see an overall picture beyond just those two sports.

For the expansion minded:

BYU - 26
UConn - 32 (all of UConn's points are from basketball and without that they are 173 - they seem to be most reliant of any school on one sport)
New Mexico - 36
Harvard - 43
Dartmouth - 44
Princeton - 47
Georgetown - 50
Navy - 76
Cincy - 171 (Why so low)
Temple - 170

Of those that moved up or just moved over the last 10 years:

Nebraska 22
VT 24
ND 5
Miami 70
MD 35
TAMU 14
Mizzou 39
BC 71
Pitt 63
Syracuse 46
Louisville 20
Utah 59
Colorado 27
WVa 42
TCU 99

If you look at the conference averages:

The ACC added 3 schools better than the conference average ND, VT, and Louisville, one near the average, Syracuse, and three below Pitt, Miami, and BC.

The B10 did the same but with fewer schools. Nebraska clearly better, MD just average, and Rutgers well below.

The B12 added on at the average - WVa, and one well below TCU.

The SEC added one at the average Mizzou, but one clearly better - TAMU.

The P12 added one near the average, Colorado, and one well below -Utah.

It will be interesting to see if this changes much at the end of the Spring. I think this goes a long way to showing why expansion and realignment has stopped for the time being.

Georgia Tech and Clemson's rank only reflects the fact that both schools don't offer many sports. They meet the criteria for being a D-I school (six men's sports and 8 women's, with 200 scholarship minimum), but not much more. The rankings are largely a measure of how many sports a school competes in. Stanford, Notre Dame and UNC are always going to be near the top of this list.

Isn't that a good list to be at the top? Isn't offering/competing in more sports rather than less sports something to shoot for? A more well, rounded athletic program, instead of just the minimum?

In general, it is. But if you want to make your school look better, this is a way to "game the system", since the Director's cup seems to give equal weight to sports that have a lot of participants and those that have only a few. Notice how many of the schools near the top of the current standings earned a lot of points in Fencing, Rifle and Women's Ice Hockey - sports that few schools offer. Notice that points aren't awarded for men's hockey.

Some sports offered by most schools, like Track & Field and Swimming & Diving, and which have a large number of individual participants, are harder to get a large number of Director's Club points.

At least Bowling isn't one of the sports you get points for.

I think Men's Hockey should be awarded points. Here is my personal college sports hierachy:

Football
Men's basketball
Baseball
Hockey
Women's basketball
Lacrosse

(04-11-2014 09:20 AM)50Cent Wrote:  It will be one very cold cold day down south before womens' volleyball, mens soccer or womens basketball, even, make one dent in expansion viability.

Football and markets....with men's basketball really trailing.

So, you are telling me that St. Francis (PA) new bowling team won't elevate us to the Big 12?

Bummer.

Seems to be the 20 most sponsored sports. No points for AState bowling in the NCAA Tournament. :(

(04-11-2014 03:47 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Seems to be the 20 most sponsored sports. No points for AState bowling in the NCAA Tournament. :(

Fencing? Rifle? These maybe among the least sponsored sports that aren't purely regional (like Skiing, or water polo).