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RE: Meet the Bag Man - how SEC programs cheat like hell and get away with it
(04-10-2014 05:25 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Gotta love the sec apologists. Lol

Btw I was at a hunting camp in Selma a year ago with a former Auburn assistant and learned all about how Bama and Aunurn funnel money to kids and how kids that can't spell cat can somehow make passing grades in college.

Maybe one day people will be fed up enough and clean this mess up?

really that isn't funny, which means there is cheating in the high schools also, and someone using fake IDs in ACT SAT testing centers.
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Many years ago I was at a braves game at the old park. I struck up a conversation with the guy next to me wearing a old miss hat. He was a car dealer in Batesville ms, told me the story of how Deshea Townsend walked in his dealership shortly after he signed with bama with a cashiers check to buy a brand spanking new car. Its funny that deshea is coaching at miss state now.

A friend of mine was a greens keeper at a golf course owned by a ole miss alum a few years back. The owner was giving him hell about his labor cost being too high. My buddy told him, well its likely those 8 ole miss football players on my payroll that have never seen this golf course.

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True. It's a sad state of affairs in the state of Alabama. Even high schools recruit kids. I witnessed it first hand. Just because you can play sports some schools rubber stamp the kids.
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(04-10-2014 05:51 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  True. It's a sad state of affairs in the state of Alabama. Even high schools recruit kids. I witnessed it first hand. Just because you can play sports some schools rubber stamp the kids.

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My Dad tells the story of a co-worker of his who said he took a pay cut when he graduated in the 50s. He was making 10,000 a year at Arkansas.
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This is awesome, love it! Now, if these unaffliliated fan sites (wink wink) can be tied into the sleaze of recruiting the puzzle is complete.....you know, the ones that belong to the network of affiliates to let's see, Rivals is one that certainly comes to mind but there are others haha! these affiliates are the bread and butter of the subscription based Rivals and said networks and make no mistake about it RIVALS DOES NOT POLICE THESE AFFILIATES....sure they have signed agreements in terms of ethics but it's not worth the paper it's written on. Heck these affiliates are in business partnerships with the services and a great many are the unofficial official mouth piece for a lot of programs. Keep in mind Rivals (and others) and these affiliates are by and large all about recruiting information. You just can be that deep in the game and not be in on some of the sleaze.

Ever heard of the story about X Coach making a few calls and getting kids another star or a higher ranking? this has happened.
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I worked with a guy that played ball in Tuscaloosa when Stallings was coach. Told me he once told an assistant he needed a car. Coach told him about a dealership in Greene County that could hook him up.

Gets to the dealer and asks the salesman, "How much you askin' for this car?"

Salesman replied, "How much you got in your pocket?"

And that's how he got a 4 year old Caddy Sedan DeVille for $74.

And my kid with an IQ at least 30 points higher than this guy is working her ass off with two scholarships and a work-study.
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(04-10-2014 05:51 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  True. It's a sad state of affairs in the state of Alabama. Even high schools recruit kids. I witnessed it first hand. Just because you can play sports some schools rubber stamp the kids.

Why though? That's what I don't get. Why is this type of nonsense accepted?
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(04-11-2014 10:46 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-10-2014 05:51 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  True. It's a sad state of affairs in the state of Alabama. Even high schools recruit kids. I witnessed it first hand. Just because you can play sports some schools rubber stamp the kids.

Why though? That's what I don't get. Why is this type of nonsense accepted?

Simple, the people there value a winning football team more than they do a solid education. It's sad, but there are parts of the country where being smart isn't seen as a virtue - it's more or less ridiculed as a disability.
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(04-11-2014 10:46 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-10-2014 05:51 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  True. It's a sad state of affairs in the state of Alabama. Even high schools recruit kids. I witnessed it first hand. Just because you can play sports some schools rubber stamp the kids.

Why though? That's what I don't get. Why is this type of nonsense accepted?

Just win, baby.
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I wish I knew. I guess it's the mentality of this state. They hope they all go to Bama and auburn so they look the other way.




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(04-11-2014 10:52 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 10:46 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-10-2014 05:51 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  True. It's a sad state of affairs in the state of Alabama. Even high schools recruit kids. I witnessed it first hand. Just because you can play sports some schools rubber stamp the kids.

Why though? That's what I don't get. Why is this type of nonsense accepted?

Just win, baby.

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Two-three years ago. Bama football player on trial for slapping his girlfriend around.

Girl's father testifies for the defense, then yells out a robust, "Roll Tide!" on his way out of the courthouse after the acquittal.

That answer your question?
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(04-11-2014 10:50 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 10:46 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-10-2014 05:51 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  True. It's a sad state of affairs in the state of Alabama. Even high schools recruit kids. I witnessed it first hand. Just because you can play sports some schools rubber stamp the kids.

Why though? That's what I don't get. Why is this type of nonsense accepted?

Simple, the people there value a winning football team more than they do a solid education. It's sad, but there are parts of the country where being smart isn't seen as a virtue - it's more or less ridiculed as a disability.

But why is football so important that individuals would drop thousands of their own money, on top of their (legal) booster contributions for this? It's a pathetic mentality honestly.
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When you're a pathetic loser, and the one thing you have to be proud of is your association with success, no matter how tenuous or tangential, you become a fanatic.

Know this about the state of Alabama: It's consistently bottom 5 in most quality-of-life metrics, but always near the top in one thing: by-gawd footbawl.

And if that's your one, shiny, pretty thing in a swamp of stupid, you'll use whatever resource you have to nurture and protect it.

We have religion in Alabama. Everywhere else, they call it "football".
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(04-11-2014 11:28 AM)Smaug Wrote:  When you're a pathetic loser, and the one thing you have to be proud of is your association with success, no matter how tenuous or tangential, you become a fanatic.

Know this about the state of Alabama: It's consistently bottom 5 in most quality-of-life metrics, but always near the top in one thing: by-gawd footbawl.

And if that's your one, shiny, pretty thing in a swamp of stupid, you'll use whatever resource you have to nurture and protect it.

We have religion in Alabama. Everywhere else, they call it "football".

Well what do you call it at U.S.C., Ohio State, Penn State, North Carolina, etc. etc? I agree it is way out of kilter in the state of Alabama, but I've lived in other parts of the country where its manifestation was just as corrupt but its expression more befitting the locale.

The issue here is much much broader than the state of Alabama. The issue here is the average American's complacent acceptance of corruption at every level of their lives. There is payola in business, the lobby of big business for tax breaks that affect Mom & Pop and cost the poor more at the cash register and in employment opportunities, the level of corruption that forces the public to pay the losses of the most corrupt of the large banks, the corruption over pork barrel deals in the House and Senate and the collusion it takes between parties and representatives and senators to pull it off.

At the local level is the acceptance that the wealthiest of the local people will control the contracts for the school board and city services like in Birmingham, Atlanta, New Orleans, Memphis and other cities you would know about where millions are spent but nothing is done.

The issue here is just how freaking sad it is that the only ***** session that gets started is when someone thinks corruption gives their rival an advantage in by God football and from the discussion on this board I'd say that is universal and nationwide.

My question is why are we quibbling over corruption in sports when sports is only part of the trickle down lower rung of corruption within society as a whole. The hypocritical part of this whole thread is that once again Americans have picked a scapegoat for what is a much more pervasive part of their culture which they for selfish reasons don't desire to address.

I've followed realignment from a sociological perspective as much as for entertainment. For me it has been from the beginning a challenge to see how long it took my average countrymen to figure out that it is just another facet of their lives being taken from them by corporate America, and taken for profit. The cheating is a byproduct of the money. The money comes from television networks that have a ready made, compelling, cheap product that is easy to produce and packs whopping advertising profits. They will reap billions while the schools reap millions, while the coaches earn a few million, while the players get thousands, while the fans who will earn less than the best players and somewhat more than the average players will rob their children's education to claim to be part of something their fellow fans celebrate. And folks that happens in the North, the South, the East, and the West.

The country has lost its moral moorings and instead of addressing that beginning with ourselves and organizing with our neighbors to stop it in our neighborhoods, and then cities, and then states, and then nation, we gripe on a message board and think we've done something. And that's why we will continue to suffer. We think one voice can't stop the roar of corruption. Well it takes the collective voices of millions of pissed off Americans to do it. It just seems to be too big and too dangerous for anyone to take on. Too big because it costs lots of money to be heard and too dangerous because most of our family members now work for corporations associated with the corruption at the highest level and everyone fears losing their job. And that is where they have our gonads in a vice.

But the reality is much simpler. Change your town or city. Enough changed towns and cities will change states. Enough states can change the nation. But as long as you resort to labeling and belittling other regions of the country you will have accomplished nothing but the work of those who divide you in the first place.

Almost 40 years ago a governor told me there was no difference in republicans and democrats and that liberal issue versus conservative issue were just the issues du jour for the ignorant masses to rally around so that nobody challenged the big business as usual of the corporate ranks who lobby for treaties that supersede your constitutional guarantees and who lobby for nominations to the court for the purpose of gaining favorable interpretations of those laws (like imminent domain). As long as you are divided along racial, religious, liberal or conservative lines on social issues, and focused on football nothing will change. And that viewpoint is winning hands down because we choose to fight among ourselves rather than to organize against the real foes of our children's futures.
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(04-11-2014 11:21 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  But why is football so important that individuals would drop thousands of their own money, on top of their (legal) booster contributions for this? It's a pathetic mentality honestly.

In all seriousness: don't ever underestimate the resentment over losing the Civil War. There's more similar than not between the SCV never-surrender crowd and the 85 Percent (I would bet serious money that every Bag Man quoted is white). Cheating at football undermines those oppressive Yankee rules.
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"The issue here is the average American's complacent acceptance of corruption at every level of their lives."

Truth.
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Where can I find a Bag Man? I have some projects that need completed.07-coffee3
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(04-11-2014 11:52 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 11:28 AM)Smaug Wrote:  When you're a pathetic loser, and the one thing you have to be proud of is your association with success, no matter how tenuous or tangential, you become a fanatic.

Know this about the state of Alabama: It's consistently bottom 5 in most quality-of-life metrics, but always near the top in one thing: by-gawd footbawl.

And if that's your one, shiny, pretty thing in a swamp of stupid, you'll use whatever resource you have to nurture and protect it.

We have religion in Alabama. Everywhere else, they call it "football".

Well what do you call it at U.S.C., Ohio State, Penn State, North Carolina, etc. etc?

Pennsylvania: "Philadelphia in the east, Pittsburgh in the west and Alabama in the middle."

Also known as Pennsyltucky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsyltucky

It's part of the reason why things happen there well beyond the scope of recruiting violations.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2011/1...story.html
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/ar...25,00.html
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