My point was specifically about PA. Everyone I know personally on this board sent their kids to public school. Kids at PA are raised believing they are "too good" for public school. I just believe they view UALR the same way.
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WWWWAAAYYYYY far off track side note

My kids go to public school at gibbs and it has been a great school of international studies but this year common core came in and I will be dialing down the life style and sending my kids to private school.


don't know that kids feel too good for public school but there parents want a good education for their kids and imo common core is not it.

While living in saint louis the ladies in my customer service staff worked two jobs to send their kids to private schools (Catholic) because the stl public school system was pretty bad.

My point being parents will do what they have to to get an education for their children.


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As a teacher, I think Common Core has the right idea...but the Education system in Arkansas is so screwed up right now, that we're essentially trying to plug all the holes in an old rickety boat, when we had the money for a new boat entirely.

My point was specifically about PA. Everyone I know personally on this board sent their kids to public school. Kids at PA are raised believing they are "too good" for public school. I just believe they view UALR the same way.
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WWWWAAAYYYYY far off track side note

My kids go to public school at gibbs and it has been a great school of international studies but this year common core came in and I will be dialing down the life style and sending my kids to private school.


don't know that kids feel too good for public school but there parents want a good education for their kids and imo common core is not it.

While living in saint louis the ladies in my customer service staff worked two jobs to send their kids to private schools (Catholic) because the stl public school system was pretty bad.

My point being parents will do what they have to to get an education for their children.


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I have no idea what common core is, but I know my kids got a great education in the Little Rock public schools. Both got scholarship offers from numerous colleges around the country. Lets be honest. The reason parents send their kids to private school in Little Rock is as clear as black and white.

While that gets sorted out I feel forced to pull my kids.

As an Architect I can tell you that I don't feel the math is worth a crap and I have to teach the cc way and the real way at home, which means my kids have to double up on time spent.


All my far left friends fall right in line to push it when I ask them about their kids they seem to be in advanced classes that don't have caveman math.

Its ok for my kids but not theirs....

But wait there is more

The right got the push to this going back in the bush days so both sides have blame in this cf that parents have to navigate.

So, sadly, I have gone to a school that is a mix of people, race, religion and nationality for 6 years and now I have to pull my kids out because someone that it would be great to make money on testing my kids and got both side to go along with it imo.

I could be wrong but to date I have yet to talk to anyone with skin the game in the form of a child that is in common core to say they feel it is a good thing.

I have had tons of people that had a political or financial interest tell me it would be for the best if more kids could be ready to go to vocational school or jr college.

I am shooting a little higher for my kids and every parent should feel like they are trying to do what is right for their kids.

(04-11-2014 07:51 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(04-11-2014 07:22 PM)insideualr Wrote:  

My point was specifically about PA. Everyone I know personally on this board sent their kids to public school. Kids at PA are raised believing they are "too good" for public school. I just believe they view UALR the same way.

WWWWAAAYYYYY far off track side note

My kids go to public school at gibbs and it has been a great school of international studies but this year common core came in and I will be dialing down the life style and sending my kids to private school.


don't know that kids feel too good for public school but there parents want a good education for their kids and imo common core is not it.

While living in saint louis the ladies in my customer service staff worked two jobs to send their kids to private schools (Catholic) because the stl public school system was pretty bad.

My point being parents will do what they have to to get an education for their children.


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I have no idea what common core is, but I know my kids got a great education in the Little Rock public schools. Both got scholarship offers from numerous colleges around the country. Lets be honest. The reason parents send their kids to private school in Little Rock is as clear as black and white.
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common core is something this is going to make the haves and the have nots get wider.

Your kids would probably never have had to deal with it.

Only the regular folks in the middle and lower are going to get this fine product all but forced on them.

If you vote Democrat you will be all but forced to say it is good, cause you are helping the masses that can't think for their selves and they sure hell will not able to after CC.

If you are on the right, bush thought this !@#$E up to make some money for some corporations

there is a @#$ load of blame to go around on this thing.

How is that for a thread hi jack LOL

(04-11-2014 07:51 PM)mjs Wrote:  I have no idea what common core is, but I know my kids got a great education in the Little Rock public schools. Both got scholarship offers from numerous colleges around the country. Lets be honest. The reason parents send their kids to private school in Little Rock is as clear as black and white.

I'm sure that's true in some cases, but some parents want their kids to go to schools that are safe. All public schools are not safe, and don't try and tell me they are. I worked in the public schools for 33 years. Some folks don't want to go to games at the Jack and Gary Hogan Field for the same reasons, safety. There are a lot of kids that are smart and get a good education in the publics, but there is a whole lot more violence in the schools than there was when I started in 1965.

I feel the same way.

I want a smaller class room size that is safe and teaches math and reading in the proven form.

I fear that we will fall further behind the rest of the world in the world job market and that the haves and have nots will increase due to it.

When the middle class is hurt, everyone is hurt but the very top. What is it? 82 people in america control more wealth than like 60% of Americans?

think about that. If we don't train people we get them in debt early and they are slaves for the rest of their life to that debt.

Americans work more hours than just about any country and are in more debt than jsut about any country.

(04-11-2014 08:16 PM)insideualr Wrote:  I feel the same way.

I want a smaller class room size that is safe and teaches math and reading in the proven form.

I fear that we will fall further behind the rest of the world in the world job market and that the haves and have nots will increase due to it.

When the middle class is hurt, everyone is hurt but the very top. What is it? 82 people in america control more wealth than like 60% of Americans?

think about that. If we don't train people we get them in debt early and they are slaves for the rest of their life to that debt.

Americans work more hours than just about any country and are in more debt than jsut about any country.

I still don't know what common core is. With regard to safety, it is interesting to me that all the mass shootings have happened in white, suburban schools. Not sure what that means, but in today's world there's no sure way to insure your kids safety. I guess I felt that my kids should be exposed to the "real" world, rather than the lily white environment at PA.

Me to micky but i feel the public school math has taken a hit.

White, black or purple mine are going somewhere that they are getting a top flight education.

If that means home schooling we can do that too.


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(04-11-2014 08:31 PM)insideualr Wrote:  Me to micky but i feel the public school math has taken a hit.

White, black or purple mine are going somewhere that they are getting a top flight education.

If that means home schooling we can do that too.


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Not sure what your issues are. My youngest has been out of high school for almost 6 years, but I know both of my kids got top flight educations. Central High was ranked as one of the top high schools in the country when my kids were there.

lol, go read about it. you should be pissed.

quick example

you have 396 eggs. 12 eggs to a box.

12/396=x right?

wrong

write 100 x's

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

circle them 12 a time

count the circles

it will take you 30 minutes of caveman math to work this out or the "old way" about 20 seconds.


micky it is bad. I am sure there will be replies before long on here about how it will work but those people will not have kids in school going through it.

everyone here that has not looked into this should. talk to your friends with kids in school that have to go through this. No child left behind v2 / common core is every middle class kid or less that is not in the advance classes is being trained to be a worker bee.

I kind of want a little more than that from my kids.

(04-11-2014 09:13 PM)insideualr Wrote:  lol, go read about it. you should be pissed.

quick example

you have 396 eggs. 12 eggs to a box.

12/396=x right?

wrong

write 100 x's

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

circle them 12 a time

count the circles

it will take you 30 minutes of caveman math to work this out or the "old way" about 20 seconds.


micky it is bad. I am sure there will be replies before long on here about how it will work but those people will not have kids in school going through it.

everyone here that has not looked into this should. talk to your friends with kids in school that have to go through this. No child left behind v2 / common core is every middle class kid or less that is not in the advance classes is being trained to be a worker bee.

I kind of want a little more than that from my kids.

All I know is math was good when my kids went to school. My oldest son's 8th grade Math Counts Team went to Washington, D.C. where they finished 18th in the country. I think every state and commonwealth sent a team. He scored a perfect 800 on the Math section of the SAT. My younger son wasn't perfect, but got something like a 34 on the math section of the ACT. My point being that they learned more about math then circling x's. Maybe things have changed. I wouldn't know.

Here is why this should matter to you.

These kids that are getting a sub standard math and reading curriculum are going to pay the taxes that provide you with your state pension and medicare etc....




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(04-11-2014 07:51 PM)insideualr Wrote:  While that gets sorted out I feel forced to pull my kids.

As an Architect I can tell you that I don't feel the math is worth a crap and I have to teach the cc way and the real way at home, which means my kids have to double up on time spent.


All my far left friends fall right in line to push it when I ask them about their kids they seem to be in advanced classes that don't have caveman math.

Its ok for my kids but not theirs....

But wait there is more

The right got the push to this going back in the bush days so both sides have blame in this cf that parents have to navigate.

So, sadly, I have gone to a school that is a mix of people, race, religion and nationality for 6 years and now I have to pull my kids out because someone that it would be great to make money on testing my kids and got both side to go along with it imo.

I could be wrong but to date I have yet to talk to anyone with skin the game in the form of a child that is in common core to say they feel it is a good thing.

I have had tons of people that had a political or financial interest tell me it would be for the best if more kids could be ready to go to vocational school or jr college.

I am shooting a little higher for my kids and every parent should feel like they are trying to do what is right for their kids.

Common Core seems, for reasons I don't understand, to be based around the lowest tier student. While the method they teach students to solve problems are not necessarily wrong, (I admit I learned that way when my teacher taught me the other way) the vast majority of parents were taught a different method.

Its almost as if Common Core assumes that the parent of a student has no basic math training, and knows as little as the student does. Which sadly may be true with several parents.

However that leaves a big gaping hole in the Middle class, where you have tons of students who are probably going to score proficient on their exams, but none of those students stand to move very far either.

Last year was my first year teaching under the system, and I fully admit I felt very hamstrung by it. Teachers have sort of been turned into mindless robots the way the system is written. We have to teach a certain subject at a certain time, and we have to teach it the same way other teachers do, and that way must be the way that common core wants us to teach it. While that will work well for the lower tier student who will struggle to reach the needed exam score, it completely ignores the upper tier student, who needs to be differentiated for their ability levels, something that Common Core leaves up to the teacher.

The ideas are solid. We do need to find a way to address how poor Arkansas schools are. Its just that our solution seems to be specifically designed for the student who has little to no instruction at home, while it misses the student who has home instruction, and has probably been learning a different way for their entire lives.

Teachers jobs are to cater to BOTH students. But the government has pretty much made It where the only thing important is to reach the bottom.

That is an interesting read


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