(04-10-2014 01:12 PM)datwave Wrote:  There are two good coaches Tulane could get. The first is Tim Floyd. He wanted the Tulane job when EC was hired. The president that screwed that up will be gone 7-1-14. He wants to live in New Orleans. He wants to get out of the garbage that CUSA has become. He's there for the taking but our totally incompetent AD is too stupid to pull the trigger. The other is Mike White from La. Tech.. His father was our AD and so his formative years were spent in New Orleans. Yet again our idiot AD is too stupid to go for it.

Yes, those are the two. Either one should have been hired this year, it's a dam shame.

I still say we would have a shot at Al Skinner. People try to toss around Avery Johnson because of his NOLA ties, I have my doubts.

(04-10-2014 12:28 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 12:22 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 12:14 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 12:09 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 10:12 AM)OUGwave Wrote:  I don't cut old people slack when they drive their car through storefront windows either, by the way.

I don't give older fans/people any slack either.....and I am one.

I suspect that the "older fan" comment was meant to calm a potential firestorm, but it came of as condescending in itself.

It is quite condescending to be true.

Wow

Agreed.

I meant to be true as in I agree with you, not that truthfulness is by nature condescendatory (word?). I was agreeing I was a bit rude in saying it. But dude is in his 80s I believe so I was just trying to put things into polite perspective for people before they bash the guy. He's been through a lot with Tulane.

(04-10-2014 01:17 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Wow, that career is the definition of average, how can you argue he is the guy to take you the tourney.....

That's a narrow minded view of things. Certain jobs are certainly tougher than others and it's not like he was coaching traditional winners or had taken over these great winning stacked teams from his predecessor, or that he even stayed at one job for more than a few years.

He literally took over 9 and 10 win teams and a 14 win team on probation all at schools that really had never won or won clean like Auburn. He coached the first 20 win seasons in 50+ years at both ECU and Tennesse Tech. Doing things like taking over a 9 win team and having 27 wins by year 4 is good.

This isn't like Pastner taking over a 35 win Memphis team from Cal where people still wanted to go. If anything you could point to significant improvements Lebo made on programs, where as you can't with some coaches. If he had stayed at one or two places his entire career and never been to an NCAA then yeah you got a point, but after he rebuilt a school he left to take better jobs at most of his jobs.

BTW look at Jim Larranaga's resume. It took him years to get to an NCAA and he was at one place like Ball State for most of them and was completely "mediocre". If anything it was a ton worse than Lebo being at one place so long and never moving it beyond where as Lebo just moved on to better jobs. Eventually he took a mid major to the final 4 and won national coach of the year at in the ACC at one of the sorry jobs in Miami no less.


1977–1978 American International 14–13
1978–1979 American International 13–13

1986–1987 Bowling Green 15–14
1987–1988 Bowling Green 12–16
1988–1989 Bowling Green 13–15
1989–1990 Bowling Green 18–11 NIT First Round
1990–1991 Bowling Green 17–13 NIT First Round
1991–1992 Bowling Green 14–15
1992–1993 Bowling Green 11–16
1993–1994 Bowling Green 18–10
1994–1995 Bowling Green 16–11
1995–1996 Bowling Green 14–13
1996–1997 Bowling Green 22–10 NIT First Round

1997–1998 George Mason 9–18
1998–1999 George Mason 19–11 NCAA First Round
1999–2000 George Mason 19–11
2000–2001 George Mason 18–12 NCAA First Round
2001–2002 George Mason 19–10 NIT Opening Round
2002–2003 George Mason 16–12


The guy mustered one 20 win season in his first 19 years of coaching. Some crappy autobid doesn't make you.

(04-10-2014 01:12 PM)datwave Wrote:  There are two good coaches Tulane could get. The first is Tim Floyd. He wanted the Tulane job when EC was hired. The president that screwed that up will be gone 7-1-14. He wants to live in New Orleans. He wants to get out of the garbage that CUSA has become. He's there for the taking but our totally incompetent AD is too stupid to pull the trigger. The other is Mike White from La. Tech.. His father was our AD and so his formative years were spent in New Orleans. Yet again our idiot AD is too stupid to go for it.

Tim; dat you?

(04-10-2014 02:15 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  BTW look at Jim Larranaga's first 14 years. He was at Ball State and was completely "mediocre". If anything it was a ton worse than Lebo being at one place so long and never moving it beyond. Eventually he took a mid major to the final 4 and won national coach of the year at in the ACC at one of the sorry jobs in Miami no less.


1977–1978 American International 14–13
1978–1979 American International 13–13

1986–1987 Bowling Green 15–14
1987–1988 Bowling Green 12–16
1988–1989 Bowling Green 13–15
1989–1990 Bowling Green 18–11 NIT First Round
1990–1991 Bowling Green 17–13 NIT First Round
1991–1992 Bowling Green 14–15
1992–1993 Bowling Green 11–16
1993–1994 Bowling Green 18–10
1994–1995 Bowling Green 16–11
1995–1996 Bowling Green 14–13
1996–1997 Bowling Green 22–10 NIT First Round

George Mason (Colonial Athletic Association) (1997–2011)
1997–1998 George Mason 9–18
1998–1999 George Mason 19–11 NCAA First Round
1999–2000 George Mason 19–11
2000–2001 George Mason 18–12 NCAA First Round
2001–2002 George Mason 19–10 NIT Opening Round
2002–2003 George Mason 16–12
2003–2004 George Mason 23–10 NIT Second Round
2004–2005 George Mason 16–13
2005–2006 George Mason 27–8 NCAA Final Four

....and I can bring up 100 more mediocre coaches who stayed mediocre. For me, I just would prefer to take a risk on potential rather than a coach that might re-invent himself. Plucking one coach out proves nothing as obviously there will be examples of coaches who turned it around. I know nothing about your coach, the record just screams average, that's all I am saying. Not to worry, the record for our coach screams pathetic.

BTW here is Kelvin Sampson's career progression early.

1987–88 Washington State 13–16
1988–89 Washington State 10–19
1989–90 Washington State 7–22
1990–91 Washington State 16–12
1991–92 Washington State 22–11 NIT 2nd Round
1992–93 Washington State 15–12

I think most people get that Washington State is a tough basketball job. Using some of your criteria's you'd have probably been ready to fire him after year 3,4, 6 and probably 5 too.

(04-10-2014 02:23 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 02:15 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  BTW look at Jim Larranaga's first 14 years. He was at Ball State and was completely "mediocre". If anything it was a ton worse than Lebo being at one place so long and never moving it beyond. Eventually he took a mid major to the final 4 and won national coach of the year at in the ACC at one of the sorry jobs in Miami no less.


1977–1978 American International 14–13
1978–1979 American International 13–13

1986–1987 Bowling Green 15–14
1987–1988 Bowling Green 12–16
1988–1989 Bowling Green 13–15
1989–1990 Bowling Green 18–11 NIT First Round
1990–1991 Bowling Green 17–13 NIT First Round
1991–1992 Bowling Green 14–15
1992–1993 Bowling Green 11–16
1993–1994 Bowling Green 18–10
1994–1995 Bowling Green 16–11
1995–1996 Bowling Green 14–13
1996–1997 Bowling Green 22–10 NIT First Round

George Mason (Colonial Athletic Association) (1997–2011)
1997–1998 George Mason 9–18
1998–1999 George Mason 19–11 NCAA First Round
1999–2000 George Mason 19–11
2000–2001 George Mason 18–12 NCAA First Round
2001–2002 George Mason 19–10 NIT Opening Round
2002–2003 George Mason 16–12
2003–2004 George Mason 23–10 NIT Second Round
2004–2005 George Mason 16–13
2005–2006 George Mason 27–8 NCAA Final Four

....and I can bring up 100 more mediocre coaches who stayed mediocre. For me, I just would prefer to take a risk on potential rather than a coach that might re-invent himself. Plucking one coach out proves nothing as obviously there will be examples of coaches who turned it around. I know nothing about your coach, the record just screams average, that's all I am saying. Not to worry, the record for our coach screams pathetic.

Glad to have a Tulane fan explain the perplexities of hiring a top notch coach and creating a winning tradition.

(04-10-2014 01:28 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 12:28 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 12:22 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 12:14 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 12:09 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  I don't give older fans/people any slack either.....and I am one.

I suspect that the "older fan" comment was meant to calm a potential firestorm, but it came of as condescending in itself.

It is quite condescending to be true.

Wow

Agreed.

I meant to be true as in I agree with you, not that truthfulness is by nature condescendatory (word?). I was agreeing I was a bit rude in saying it. But dude is in his 80s I believe so I was just trying to put things into polite perspective for people before they bash the guy. He's been through a lot with Tulane.

Thanks, JDTulane.

I knew that there must be something going on other that what I saw on the surface, so I merely responded "wow" and didn't respond further.

I appreciate the response. I was fine with just moving on to the next topic without carrying over any ill feelings. You've banked a lot of fair minded vibes over the years. You've got my respect.

(04-10-2014 02:23 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  ....and I can bring up 100 more mediocre coaches who stayed mediocre.

I don't think there is anything mediocre about taking over a 9 win team that never won and winning 27 by year 4. Especially when they hadn't won 20+ games in 50+ years. I got my issue with some of Lebo's rotations, and I do in fact think he underachieved with the talent he's recruited here the last 3 years here, but his resume prior has always been fine with me. Good infact. You don't take 9 win teams over an win 27 games by year 4 and not be capable of doing some things. You don't even win 24 games at Auburn and have some upside.

The recruiting overall under him has exceeded the expectations I had of him infact. He got big time talents like Kemp, Paul, Richmond, Sampson etc, we had a good year just last year but we should have still done more with those players. I'm still willing to see what he's got and can get when he has the AAC to recruit with at least another year before I completely say blow it up. I dont agreed with the extension however. That was ridiculous.

(04-10-2014 02:42 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 02:23 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  ....and I can bring up 100 more mediocre coaches who stayed mediocre.

I don't think there is anything mediocre about taking over a 9 win team at places that never won and winning 27 by year 4 at some of those schools. Especially when they hadn't won 20+ games in 50+ years.

I got my issue with some of Lebo's rotations, and I do in fact think he underachieved with the talent he's recruited here at ECU the last 3 years here, but his resume prior has always been fine with me. You don't take 9 win teams over an win 27 games by year 4 and not be capable of doing some things. The recruiting has exceeded the expectations I had of him infact. He got big time talents like Kemp, Paul, Richmond, Sampson etc so I'm willing to see what he's got and can get when he has the AAC to recruit with at least another year before I completely say blow it up.

Lebo needs to go

(04-10-2014 01:12 PM)datwave Wrote:  There are two good coaches Tulane could get. The first is Tim Floyd. He wanted the Tulane job when EC was hired. The president that screwed that up will be gone 7-1-14. He wants to live in New Orleans. He wants to get out of the garbage that CUSA has become. He's there for the taking but our totally incompetent AD is too stupid to pull the trigger. The other is Mike White from La. Tech.. His father was our AD and so his formative years were spent in New Orleans. Yet again our idiot AD is too stupid to go for it.

Tim Floyd would be a wonderful hire for Tulane. That guy can flat out coach a team.

(04-10-2014 02:46 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 02:42 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 02:23 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  ....and I can bring up 100 more mediocre coaches who stayed mediocre.

I don't think there is anything mediocre about taking over a 9 win team at places that never won and winning 27 by year 4 at some of those schools. Especially when they hadn't won 20+ games in 50+ years.

I got my issue with some of Lebo's rotations, and I do in fact think he underachieved with the talent he's recruited here at ECU the last 3 years here, but his resume prior has always been fine with me. You don't take 9 win teams over an win 27 games by year 4 and not be capable of doing some things. The recruiting has exceeded the expectations I had of him infact. He got big time talents like Kemp, Paul, Richmond, Sampson etc so I'm willing to see what he's got and can get when he has the AAC to recruit with at least another year before I completely say blow it up.

Lebo needs to go

I'll give him another year.

The funny thing is I think if you put Josh Pastner at ECU, Auburn, Tennesse Tech etc, he really would have done no better if not worse

(04-10-2014 02:46 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 02:42 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 02:23 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  ....and I can bring up 100 more mediocre coaches who stayed mediocre.

I don't think there is anything mediocre about taking over a 9 win team at places that never won and winning 27 by year 4 at some of those schools. Especially when they hadn't won 20+ games in 50+ years.

I got my issue with some of Lebo's rotations, and I do in fact think he underachieved with the talent he's recruited here at ECU the last 3 years here, but his resume prior has always been fine with me. You don't take 9 win teams over an win 27 games by year 4 and not be capable of doing some things. The recruiting has exceeded the expectations I had of him infact. He got big time talents like Kemp, Paul, Richmond, Sampson etc so I'm willing to see what he's got and can get when he has the AAC to recruit with at least another year before I completely say blow it up.

Lebo needs to go

You need to use your head for something besides a hat rack.

(04-10-2014 03:07 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 01:12 PM)datwave Wrote:  There are two good coaches Tulane could get. The first is Tim Floyd. He wanted the Tulane job when EC was hired. The president that screwed that up will be gone 7-1-14. He wants to live in New Orleans. He wants to get out of the garbage that CUSA has become. He's there for the taking but our totally incompetent AD is too stupid to pull the trigger. The other is Mike White from La. Tech.. His father was our AD and so his formative years were spent in New Orleans. Yet again our idiot AD is too stupid to go for it.

Tim Floyd would be a wonderful hire for Tulane. That guy can flat out coach a team.

Oh PLEASE do this, hire Floyd and Phil, please!!!!!!

(04-10-2014 03:10 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 02:46 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 02:42 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 02:23 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  ....and I can bring up 100 more mediocre coaches who stayed mediocre.

I don't think there is anything mediocre about taking over a 9 win team at places that never won and winning 27 by year 4 at some of those schools. Especially when they hadn't won 20+ games in 50+ years.

I got my issue with some of Lebo's rotations, and I do in fact think he underachieved with the talent he's recruited here at ECU the last 3 years here, but his resume prior has always been fine with me. You don't take 9 win teams over an win 27 games by year 4 and not be capable of doing some things. The recruiting has exceeded the expectations I had of him infact. He got big time talents like Kemp, Paul, Richmond, Sampson etc so I'm willing to see what he's got and can get when he has the AAC to recruit with at least another year before I completely say blow it up.

Lebo needs to go

I'll give him another year.

The funny thing is I think if you put Josh Pastner at ECU, Auburn, Tennesse Tech etc, he really would have done no better if not worse

Everyone gets an opinion...that doesn't make yours correct.

(04-10-2014 01:18 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 01:12 PM)datwave Wrote:  There are two good coaches Tulane could get. The first is Tim Floyd. He wanted the Tulane job when EC was hired. The president that screwed that up will be gone 7-1-14. He wants to live in New Orleans. He wants to get out of the garbage that CUSA has become. He's there for the taking but our totally incompetent AD is too stupid to pull the trigger. The other is Mike White from La. Tech.. His father was our AD and so his formative years were spent in New Orleans. Yet again our idiot AD is too stupid to go for it.

No way...

Scares you doesn't it.

(04-10-2014 03:19 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 03:10 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 02:46 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 02:42 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 02:23 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  ....and I can bring up 100 more mediocre coaches who stayed mediocre.

I don't think there is anything mediocre about taking over a 9 win team at places that never won and winning 27 by year 4 at some of those schools. Especially when they hadn't won 20+ games in 50+ years.

I got my issue with some of Lebo's rotations, and I do in fact think he underachieved with the talent he's recruited here at ECU the last 3 years here, but his resume prior has always been fine with me. You don't take 9 win teams over an win 27 games by year 4 and not be capable of doing some things. The recruiting has exceeded the expectations I had of him infact. He got big time talents like Kemp, Paul, Richmond, Sampson etc so I'm willing to see what he's got and can get when he has the AAC to recruit with at least another year before I completely say blow it up.

Lebo needs to go

I'll give him another year.

The funny thing is I think if you put Josh Pastner at ECU, Auburn, Tennesse Tech etc, he really would have done no better if not worse

Everyone gets an opinion...that doesn't make yours correct.

Lebo doesn't need to go, his worst year at ECU was 14-15 in 2011-12. You have to go back to Bill Herrion 2000-01 to find a another coach the equal that mark. This year as bad as it was matched Joe Dooley's best years 17 wins twice 1995-96 and 1996-97

He has the best winning percentage (.560) at ECU since Howard Porter (.641) 1947-59. At 73-50 Lebo in 4 years is already 3rd all time winningest coach at ECU. Is this where we want to be no? No, we want to be even better. Can Lebo do it? IDK, but he hasn't topped out yet. We have a lot higher hill to climb than most. Memphis has high standards and Lebo's current record wouldn't cut it there, but he isn't at Memphis. Do you really think a coach should be able to come in to a place like ECU, given our history in basketball, or lack there of and within 3-4 years match Memphis in recruiting and on the court success? No, unless your name is Larry Brown a Hall of Fame Coach. Josh Pastner would have done no better in the same amount of time. You can't rebuild when there is nothing to rebuild, this is a ground up build, we have no history to recruit on or build from. -30-

(04-10-2014 03:16 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 03:07 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 01:12 PM)datwave Wrote:  There are two good coaches Tulane could get. The first is Tim Floyd. He wanted the Tulane job when EC was hired. The president that screwed that up will be gone 7-1-14. He wants to live in New Orleans. He wants to get out of the garbage that CUSA has become. He's there for the taking but our totally incompetent AD is too stupid to pull the trigger. The other is Mike White from La. Tech.. His father was our AD and so his formative years were spent in New Orleans. Yet again our idiot AD is too stupid to go for it.

Tim Floyd would be a wonderful hire for Tulane. That guy can flat out coach a team.

Oh PLEASE do this, hire Floyd and Phil, please!!!!!!

I'd take passion over pansy every trip of the train.