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RE: Has the AAC tried inviting BYU??
I would be thrilled to see the AAC add BYU and Boise to get to 14

Have a west division of:

BYU
Boise State
Houston
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04-08-2014 04:07 PM
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RE: Has the AAC tried inviting BYU??
(04-08-2014 04:03 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:22 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 02:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 02:23 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 02:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  With a 2 million dollar a school media deal, that's a pipe dream. If we were making 10 million a school---maybe. Frankly, I agree with the earlier expressed view----they are Indy until they get a P5 invite.

Only thing is that they are locked out of the Access Bowl

They will get an at-large if ranked in the Top 10-12 of the CFP standings.

The CFP is picking all the schools for the access bowls. The bowls themselves don't have a right of refusal as they've had in the past to take or not take school. They have to agree with whatever matchup the CFP puts together. This is not a problem for the Rose, Sugar or Orange obviously because they have contracted agreements.

They might get an at-large if in the top 10 (but not the top 4). It depends on how many at-large spots there are, as they change from year to year. In 2014, there will be up to five at-large (not top 4) spots, plus the G5 spot in the Fiesta, Peach, or Cotton Bowls. If the champion of the B1G, SEC, PAC, or XII is not in the top 4, then that takes away an at-large spot. In 2015, there will only be up to three at-large (not top 4) spots, plus the G5 spot in either the Peach or Fiesta. Then if the champion of the ACC is not in the top 4, that takes away an at-large spot. Then in 2016 there will only be one at-large spot (not top 4), plus the G5 spot in the Cotton Bowl.

So top 10 would get you a spot in 2014, and maybe in 2015, but probably have to be top 6 to get it in 2016.

But that's really not the point. They have a good deal with ESPN, and they like not having to cross the country for their other sports. The only thing they really don't have are good bowl tie-ins, but with 38 bowls and teams dropping FCS opponents and moving to 9-game conference schedules, they'll be room for qualified teams to slide in somewhere.

I thought that there is only really going to be 1 at large spot. Despite whether or not the champs are the playoff, contract bowl still need to be filled.
Since the Rose and Sugar displace the pac vs Big 10 match up and the Sugar with the Big 12 vs SEC. They still get an Access bowl match up regardless.
So it could work out like this:
Fiesta: Pac vs Big 10 (due to contract with Rose being displaced)
Cotton: Big 12 vs SEC (due to contract with Sugar being displaced)
Orange: ACC vs Big10/ND or SEC (per contract)
Chick: At large vs G5 champ. (G5 auto tie)

Rose: #1 vs #4
Sugar: #2 vs #3

That's not how it works. The B1G, SEC, PAC, and XII are all guaranteed one spot somewhere in the New Year's Six, but are not guaranteed to meet in an Access Bowl. If that spot happens to be in a semifinal, then they do not get a secondary replacement automatically. The Fiesta and Cotton are bowls without any conference affiliation (as is the Peach) for the next 12 seasons, not even as back-ups to replace the Rose or Sugar.

The contract part comes in in that the SEC, B1G, PAC, and XII still each get paid as if they were hosting the game themselves, but they are not guaranteed a replacement game in any of the other CFP bowls.
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RE: Has the AAC tried inviting BYU??
(04-08-2014 04:41 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 04:03 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:22 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 02:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 02:23 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Only thing is that they are locked out of the Access Bowl

They will get an at-large if ranked in the Top 10-12 of the CFP standings.

The CFP is picking all the schools for the access bowls. The bowls themselves don't have a right of refusal as they've had in the past to take or not take school. They have to agree with whatever matchup the CFP puts together. This is not a problem for the Rose, Sugar or Orange obviously because they have contracted agreements.

They might get an at-large if in the top 10 (but not the top 4). It depends on how many at-large spots there are, as they change from year to year. In 2014, there will be up to five at-large (not top 4) spots, plus the G5 spot in the Fiesta, Peach, or Cotton Bowls. If the champion of the B1G, SEC, PAC, or XII is not in the top 4, then that takes away an at-large spot. In 2015, there will only be up to three at-large (not top 4) spots, plus the G5 spot in either the Peach or Fiesta. Then if the champion of the ACC is not in the top 4, that takes away an at-large spot. Then in 2016 there will only be one at-large spot (not top 4), plus the G5 spot in the Cotton Bowl.

So top 10 would get you a spot in 2014, and maybe in 2015, but probably have to be top 6 to get it in 2016.

But that's really not the point. They have a good deal with ESPN, and they like not having to cross the country for their other sports. The only thing they really don't have are good bowl tie-ins, but with 38 bowls and teams dropping FCS opponents and moving to 9-game conference schedules, they'll be room for qualified teams to slide in somewhere.

I thought that there is only really going to be 1 at large spot. Despite whether or not the champs are the playoff, contract bowl still need to be filled.
Since the Rose and Sugar displace the pac vs Big 10 match up and the Sugar with the Big 12 vs SEC. They still get an Access bowl match up regardless.
So it could work out like this:
Fiesta: Pac vs Big 10 (due to contract with Rose being displaced)
Cotton: Big 12 vs SEC (due to contract with Sugar being displaced)
Orange: ACC vs Big10/ND or SEC (per contract)
Chick: At large vs G5 champ. (G5 auto tie)

Rose: #1 vs #4
Sugar: #2 vs #3

That's not how it works. The B1G, SEC, PAC, and XII are all guaranteed one spot somewhere in the New Year's Six, but are not guaranteed to meet in an Access Bowl. If that spot happens to be in a semifinal, then they do not get a secondary replacement automatically. The Fiesta and Cotton are bowls without any conference affiliation (as is the Peach) for the next 12 seasons, not even as back-ups to replace the Rose or Sugar.

The contract part comes in in that the SEC, B1G, PAC, and XII still each get paid as if they were hosting the game themselves, but they are not guaranteed a replacement game in any of the other CFP bowls.

Ahhh.... OK.
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RE: Has the AAC tried inviting BYU??
(04-08-2014 04:41 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 04:03 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:22 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 02:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 02:23 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Only thing is that they are locked out of the Access Bowl

They will get an at-large if ranked in the Top 10-12 of the CFP standings.

The CFP is picking all the schools for the access bowls. The bowls themselves don't have a right of refusal as they've had in the past to take or not take school. They have to agree with whatever matchup the CFP puts together. This is not a problem for the Rose, Sugar or Orange obviously because they have contracted agreements.

They might get an at-large if in the top 10 (but not the top 4). It depends on how many at-large spots there are, as they change from year to year. In 2014, there will be up to five at-large (not top 4) spots, plus the G5 spot in the Fiesta, Peach, or Cotton Bowls. If the champion of the B1G, SEC, PAC, or XII is not in the top 4, then that takes away an at-large spot. In 2015, there will only be up to three at-large (not top 4) spots, plus the G5 spot in either the Peach or Fiesta. Then if the champion of the ACC is not in the top 4, that takes away an at-large spot. Then in 2016 there will only be one at-large spot (not top 4), plus the G5 spot in the Cotton Bowl.

So top 10 would get you a spot in 2014, and maybe in 2015, but probably have to be top 6 to get it in 2016.

But that's really not the point. They have a good deal with ESPN, and they like not having to cross the country for their other sports. The only thing they really don't have are good bowl tie-ins, but with 38 bowls and teams dropping FCS opponents and moving to 9-game conference schedules, they'll be room for qualified teams to slide in somewhere.

I thought that there is only really going to be 1 at large spot. Despite whether or not the champs are the playoff, contract bowl still need to be filled.
Since the Rose and Sugar displace the pac vs Big 10 match up and the Sugar with the Big 12 vs SEC. They still get an Access bowl match up regardless.
So it could work out like this:
Fiesta: Pac vs Big 10 (due to contract with Rose being displaced)
Cotton: Big 12 vs SEC (due to contract with Sugar being displaced)
Orange: ACC vs Big10/ND or SEC (per contract)
Chick: At large vs G5 champ. (G5 auto tie)

Rose: #1 vs #4
Sugar: #2 vs #3

That's not how it works. The B1G, SEC, PAC, and XII are all guaranteed one spot somewhere in the New Year's Six, but are not guaranteed to meet in an Access Bowl. If that spot happens to be in a semifinal, then they do not get a secondary replacement automatically. The Fiesta and Cotton are bowls without any conference affiliation (as is the Peach) for the next 12 seasons, not even as back-ups to replace the Rose or Sugar.

The contract part comes in in that the SEC, B1G, PAC, and XII still each get paid as if they were hosting the game themselves, but they are not guaranteed a replacement game in any of the other CFP bowls.

It's interesting that the rotation has the Rose and Sugar as semifinals at the same time. That means four conferences getting displaced from their guaranteed big bowl slot in the same year with only one backup slot available in the Orange that only two conferences can pickup. A better rotation for the big 5 conferences would have been the Rose, Sugar and Orange as semifinals in different years. That way the rotation would be something like this:

Rose semifinal: Big 12 vs SEC in Sugar, Big 10 vs ACC in Orange, Pac 12 displaced
Sugar semifinal: Big 10 vs Pac 12 in Rose, SEC vs ACC in Orange, Big 12 displaced
Orange semifinal: Big 10 vs Pac 12 in Rose, Big 12 vs SEC in Sugar, ACC displaced

That way no more than one major conference is without a guaranteed slot each year (assuming ND doesn't take the Big 10/SEC slot in the Orange Bowl). Then the Fiesta can cut a deal to take a Pac 12 team, the Cotton to take a Big 12 team and the Peach to take an ACC team in years where they are respectively displaced. It also guarantees the ACC a better matchup for the Orange Bowl versus the current rotation where they could have to go as far down as third place in the Big 10 or SEC in years when neither the Rose, Sugar or Orange Bowls are semifinals. There's still the ND question but I'm sure any of the Fiesta, Cotton, or Peach would be happy to make a deal to serve as a Big 10/SEC/ND backup.
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