Bring your discussion here....first let me start by noting that everyone has online programs, so singling out Liberty is most certainly a pot/kettle issue.

(04-08-2014 12:16 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Bring your discussion here....first let me start by noting that everyone has online programs, so singling out Liberty is most certainly a pot/kettle issue.

No legitimate university has 8x their students online. Bye

No need to quote quotes...just you and me here.

If Liberty isn't legitimate, and we have higher incoming average freshmen SAT and ACT scores than several SBC members....

http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/sun-b...omparison/


Perhaps your claims of legitimacy need a reworking of the definition?

Don't even bother, patch. This guy has been mounting a grass roots campaign to convince all of us individually that Liberty isn't the steaming crap pile of a candidate that they are.

(04-08-2014 12:51 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  No need to quote quotes...just you and me here.

If Liberty isn't legitimate, and we have higher incoming average freshmen SAT and ACT scores than several SBC members....

http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/sun-b...omparison/


Perhaps your claims of legitimacy need a reworking of the definition?

That would be for your on campus student. They won't publish the online student for some reason....hmmmmmm I wonder why.

(04-08-2014 01:30 PM)asupatch Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 12:51 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  No need to quote quotes...just you and me here.

If Liberty isn't legitimate, and we have higher incoming average freshmen SAT and ACT scores than several SBC members....

http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/sun-b...omparison/


Perhaps your claims of legitimacy need a reworking of the definition?

That would be for your on campus student. They won't publish the online student for some reason....hmmmmmm I wonder why.

The online admissions requirements are higher than those of the true diploma mills. Also keep in mind that the online degrees are STILL accredited by SACS, meaning they have to meet the strict requirements of the residential programs. If you knew the true nature of the online program you wouldn't bash it so much.


The average age of an online student is 35.
Many are returning students doing master's degree work.
A huge number are former or current military/active duty.


Tell me again how online education is terrible? 8,500 active duty...helping them transition to civilian life upon their return from the Middle East....you want to shut that down?


http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/12/prweb11414945.htm


"Liberty is recognized among the country’s top military-friendly schools largely because its efforts are aimed at meeting the specific educational needs of service members and veterans, whether residential or online. Nearly 20,000 current Liberty students are service members, veterans, or military spouses, representing all branches of the U.S. armed forces. More than 8,500 are currently on active duty or serve in the Reserves or National Guard."

I do IT recruiting in Charlotte, and I saw so many people with Master's Degrees and undergrad degress from Liberty, I thought it was an online school only like Phoenix, until I heard them get brought up in the SB discussion.

(04-09-2014 09:56 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  I do IT recruiting in Charlotte, and I saw so many people with Master's Degrees and undergrad degress from Liberty, I thought it was an online school only like Phoenix, until I heard them get brought up in the SB discussion.

Its money.

Every school does things to make money.

(04-09-2014 10:59 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 09:56 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  I do IT recruiting in Charlotte, and I saw so many people with Master's Degrees and undergrad degress from Liberty, I thought it was an online school only like Phoenix, until I heard them get brought up in the SB discussion.

Its money.

Every school does things to make money.

I know that. But I can also get an online degree from Ga Tech and people won't sit there and think "is that an online college or a real college?"

(04-09-2014 11:16 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 10:59 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 09:56 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  I do IT recruiting in Charlotte, and I saw so many people with Master's Degrees and undergrad degress from Liberty, I thought it was an online school only like Phoenix, until I heard them get brought up in the SB discussion.

Its money.

Every school does things to make money.

I know that. But I can also get an online degree from Ga Tech and people won't sit there and think "is that an online college or a real college?"

Two thoughts.... one against us and one against you...

1. This is part of the reason why we are hoping to get into the Sun Belt...raise our profile....no one knows about us...not mainstream...We're a "nobody"....

2. A bit of ignorance on your part as well, especially living in Charlotte....www.liberty.edu ... http://www.libertyflames.com .... just takes 3 minutes on either website to see we have a "real" campus.

Notice though how ASUPATCH has no reply when he realizes that Liberty Online could in fact serve a legitimate purpose. Not many have the stones to cry foul on our online program when they realize Liberty gives a great military discount and that 8,500 current or former military including active duty are busy not only serving their country but furthering their education as well.

Look...if you're a middle aged mom with three kids you aren't going to uproot your family to go get a master's degree in a residential program. Maybe you don't live near a major university that has your major. Maybe you want the Christian aspect of Liberty or the military discount but don't want to uproot and move here. EVERYONE has online programs...we just happened to have more students....part of the reason is we started the distance learning program in 1985...well ahead of the curve.


So tell me ASUPATCH.....should our active duty service men and women overseas not be allowed to take online courses to further their education? What do you suggest they do in any downtime they have? Wouldn't that time be more productive if spent earning a degree they could show to potential employers upon their homecoming in the states?

Everyone wants to talk a good game about how they hate online education....look at the people who are actually doing it. Real people with real lives and real challenges trying to make themselves better people....tell me again how they shouldn't have that opportunity.....especially if the school is fully accredited and the programs are 100% legitimate?

University of Phoenix is NOT fully accredited...Liberty's online division is. MAJOR difference.

wait... do you guys even have a football team?

(04-09-2014 03:59 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Notice though how ASUPATCH has no reply when he realizes that Liberty Online could in fact serve a legitimate purpose. Not many have the stones to cry foul on our online program when they realize Liberty gives a great military discount and that 8,500 current or former military including active duty are busy not only serving their country but furthering their education as well.

Look...if you're a middle aged mom with three kids you aren't going to uproot your family to go get a master's degree in a residential program. Maybe you don't live near a major university that has your major. Maybe you want the Christian aspect of Liberty or the military discount but don't want to uproot and move here. EVERYONE has online programs...we just happened to have more students....part of the reason is we started the distance learning program in 1985...well ahead of the curve.


So tell me ASUPATCH.....should our active duty service men and women overseas not be allowed to take online courses to further their education? What do you suggest they do in any downtime they have? Wouldn't that time be more productive if spent earning a degree they could show to potential employers upon their homecoming in the states?

Everyone wants to talk a good game about how they hate online education....look at the people who are actually doing it. Real people with real lives and real challenges trying to make themselves better people....tell me again how they shouldn't have that opportunity.....especially if the school is fully accredited and the programs are 100% legitimate?

University of Phoenix is NOT fully accredited...Liberty's online division is. MAJOR difference.

Yeah...my Dad was a drill Sergeant in the Army. He would probably tell them to man up and pay for it like everyone else. I was in Law Enforcement for 3 years and did far more to protect our country than some air national guardsman's hanging out pushing papers. My brother in Law just got out of the Army and the poor thing has been in Hawaii for the past 8 years working on Naval ships. Secondly you need a heartbeat and a GED to get in to your esteemed online joke of a program. Isn't there some Big South Board you rant on about. As it seems you'll be stuck there for the foreseeable future.

(04-10-2014 07:28 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  wait... do you guys even have a football team?

Yeah you probably haven't seen them as they haven't made the playoffs yet.

Would Derrick Graham be allowed to play basketball for Liberty University? You know the openly gay Bball player and 2nd leading scorer for UMASS. No? Essentially the face of male Gay College basketball. You think LU would accept that? Of course not. So much for God loving all of his children huh?

Even your own fans seem to get it. From Flamefans.com via LU grad Bury Your Duke
"Come on man. You have to see the differences between us and Baylor or TCU right? We aren't Notre Dame, we aren't Baylor, and we aren't TCU.

We are new, we can't touch those schools' academics with a 100 mile pole, and we are controversial. Oh yeah, and the only reason we are even having a conversation about FBS is because we have 90k students in a program that most in academia have a total disdain for."

Enjoy your time in the Big South......if you need me i'll be talking to more realistic Liberty alums that don't result to smack talk callouts. Glad I finally have reason to use the ignore feature. My first member added.

(04-09-2014 03:59 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  should our active duty service men and women overseas not be allowed to take online courses to further their education?

Yes. But it shouldn't be and isn't as reputable as one from a real University.

(04-09-2014 03:59 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Notice though how ASUPATCH has no reply when he realizes that Liberty Online could in fact serve a legitimate purpose. Not many have the stones to cry foul on our online program when they realize Liberty gives a great military discount and that 8,500 current or former military including active duty are busy not only serving their country but furthering their education as well.

Look...if you're a middle aged mom with three kids you aren't going to uproot your family to go get a master's degree in a residential program. Maybe you don't live near a major university that has your major. Maybe you want the Christian aspect of Liberty or the military discount but don't want to uproot and move here. EVERYONE has online programs...we just happened to have more students....part of the reason is we started the distance learning program in 1985...well ahead of the curve.


So tell me ASUPATCH.....should our active duty service men and women overseas not be allowed to take online courses to further their education? What do you suggest they do in any downtime they have? Wouldn't that time be more productive if spent earning a degree they could show to potential employers upon their homecoming in the states?

Everyone wants to talk a good game about how they hate online education....look at the people who are actually doing it. Real people with real lives and real challenges trying to make themselves better people....tell me again how they shouldn't have that opportunity.....especially if the school is fully accredited and the programs are 100% legitimate?

University of Phoenix is NOT fully accredited...Liberty's online division is. MAJOR difference.

If that purpose is devouring money and shitting out worthless diplomas, then yes, I agree.

(04-10-2014 11:15 AM)asupatch Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 03:59 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Notice though how ASUPATCH has no reply when he realizes that Liberty Online could in fact serve a legitimate purpose. Not many have the stones to cry foul on our online program when they realize Liberty gives a great military discount and that 8,500 current or former military including active duty are busy not only serving their country but furthering their education as well.

Look...if you're a middle aged mom with three kids you aren't going to uproot your family to go get a master's degree in a residential program. Maybe you don't live near a major university that has your major. Maybe you want the Christian aspect of Liberty or the military discount but don't want to uproot and move here. EVERYONE has online programs...we just happened to have more students....part of the reason is we started the distance learning program in 1985...well ahead of the curve.


So tell me ASUPATCH.....should our active duty service men and women overseas not be allowed to take online courses to further their education? What do you suggest they do in any downtime they have? Wouldn't that time be more productive if spent earning a degree they could show to potential employers upon their homecoming in the states?

Everyone wants to talk a good game about how they hate online education....look at the people who are actually doing it. Real people with real lives and real challenges trying to make themselves better people....tell me again how they shouldn't have that opportunity.....especially if the school is fully accredited and the programs are 100% legitimate?

University of Phoenix is NOT fully accredited...Liberty's online division is. MAJOR difference.

Yeah...my Dad was a drill Sergeant in the Army. He would probably tell them to man up and pay for it like everyone else. I was in Law Enforcement for 3 years and did far more to protect our country than some air national guardsman's hanging out pushing papers. My brother in Law just got out of the Army and the poor thing has been in Hawaii for the past 8 years working on Naval ships. Secondly you need a heartbeat and a GED to get in to your esteemed online joke of a program. Isn't there some Big South Board you rant on about. As it seems you'll be stuck there for the foreseeable future.

Sounds like your family was in low tempo military units. Now in high tempo Army Units at Fort Bragg (Home of the Airborne and Special Operations) we deploy to war zones and jump out of Airplanes/Helicopters. I never had time to do any classroom work. The few that tried couldn't make it to class on time so they eventually dropped out. And they really tried but training got in the way. We were always doing two things training to deploy or deploying. I never even had time to take leave or have holidays like 4th of July. By the time I got out I had massive amounts of terminal leave. This was common at Bragg.

Regardless of the school online was really the only option in high tempo Army units. During my time in the Military was pushing E-Army U hard to soldiers. Which is silly Army talk for online college. Most didn't do it some like me did. After OIF 3 almost my entire PLT got out of the military at the same time. Some like me and a few others had degrees most didn't. I'm friends with all my entire PLT on FB. And the difference in lifestyle and income is very clear from the people that got out with nothing vs the people that got out with a degree. Most without degrees are borderline homeless/barely scraping by or have already committed suicide because of PTSD. Its sad and I wish I could do something and I've tried to hook some of them up with jobs but it never works out. The ones with degrees from no-name schools/for-profits are doing quite well. They like me leveraged training the military gave us into leadership consulting jobs or highly successful technical positions. Check out vet unemployment rates if you find all this unbelievable, its alarming.

Liberty is doing service members a great service by reducing tuition rates for them and their wives as well as give a book stipend every semester. LU also runs Army and Air Force ROTC on Campus. So they are helping produce commissioned officers in the military. All the for-profits don't really have a campus and for sure don't have ROTC for anything. So while LU is controversial they do support the military more so than most people. They are giving service members real a shot at having a stable income and future. LU isn't the only answer other Universities like Troy and UMUC also make it a point to cater to the military. But given how things have panned out over the past decade in my life and my PLT's, fellow soldiers are better off with a degree from any school vs having nothing.

I'm not trying to get into a argument but I and many service members/vets take offense and find it disrespectful when we are spoken for by non-service members. If you or anyone have a question I will answer it as honestly as I can, all you have to do is ask.

(04-10-2014 05:38 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 03:59 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Notice though how ASUPATCH has no reply when he realizes that Liberty Online could in fact serve a legitimate purpose. Not many have the stones to cry foul on our online program when they realize Liberty gives a great military discount and that 8,500 current or former military including active duty are busy not only serving their country but furthering their education as well.

Look...if you're a middle aged mom with three kids you aren't going to uproot your family to go get a master's degree in a residential program. Maybe you don't live near a major university that has your major. Maybe you want the Christian aspect of Liberty or the military discount but don't want to uproot and move here. EVERYONE has online programs...we just happened to have more students....part of the reason is we started the distance learning program in 1985...well ahead of the curve.


So tell me ASUPATCH.....should our active duty service men and women overseas not be allowed to take online courses to further their education? What do you suggest they do in any downtime they have? Wouldn't that time be more productive if spent earning a degree they could show to potential employers upon their homecoming in the states?

Everyone wants to talk a good game about how they hate online education....look at the people who are actually doing it. Real people with real lives and real challenges trying to make themselves better people....tell me again how they shouldn't have that opportunity.....especially if the school is fully accredited and the programs are 100% legitimate?

University of Phoenix is NOT fully accredited...Liberty's online division is. MAJOR difference.

If that purpose is devouring money and shitting out worthless diplomas, then yes, I agree.

It must be great to be you. You seem to know everything about everything. And even better.... you are willing to pass on your considerable knowledge to the rest of us. Such a humanitarian.