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Report: Liberty to the Sun Belt
https://twitter.com/dkurtenbach/status/4...9150940160

This is from the same guy that broke WKU to C-USA.

Others are saying that the only hold up is negotiations for how Liberty's TV network will play into things.
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Hmmmm
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RE: Report: Liberty to the Sun Belt
going to see a lot of this stuff next 7 weeks- deadline for fbs move-ups is 6/1.

one thing that is kind of weird- not seen any moveups from d2 to d1 this year yet.
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Would love to see some Missouri Valley Schools move up - Missouri State, Illinois State, Indiana State and Northern Iowa.
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If true then I guess that means UMass will have to go independent after 2015 or take the MAC all sports offer with James Madison joining for all sports too.
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RE: Report: Liberty to the Sun Belt
If it comes true, there will be a lot of unhappy SBC fans. Too much Missouri State/JMU talk. Missouri State can certainly still happen a couple years down the road, but this eliminates any talk of JMU.
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(04-07-2014 11:35 PM)carolinaknights Wrote:  If true then I guess that means UMass will have to go independent after 2015 or take the MAC all sports offer with James Madison joining for all sports too.

Why would the MAC offer UMass again after they just declined the offer a few weeks before?
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RE: Report: Liberty to the Sun Belt
(04-07-2014 11:43 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If it comes true, there will be a lot of unhappy SBC fans. Too much Missouri State/JMU talk. Missouri State can certainly still happen a couple years down the road, but this eliminates any talk of JMU.

JMU is being retarded to try and hold out foe CUSA. The SBC offers all the same things. A few less bowls but I don't think a 6-6 team from the SBC should worry too much about that.
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Good help Liberty,the Sunbelt and UL-L!
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(04-08-2014 12:17 AM)Savacool Wrote:  Good help Liberty,the Sunbelt and UL-L!

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RE: Report: Liberty to the Sun Belt
(04-07-2014 11:53 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:43 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If it comes true, there will be a lot of unhappy SBC fans. Too much Missouri State/JMU talk. Missouri State can certainly still happen a couple years down the road, but this eliminates any talk of JMU.

JMU is being retarded to try and hold out foe CUSA. The SBC offers all the same things. A few less bowls but I don't think a 6-6 team from the SBC should worry too much about that.

We're supposed to have a 4th bowl lined up by 2015. Still a couple less...but as you said its enough that 7-5 and up will be able to go.
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RE: Report: Liberty to the Sun Belt
(04-08-2014 12:27 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:53 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:43 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If it comes true, there will be a lot of unhappy SBC fans. Too much Missouri State/JMU talk. Missouri State can certainly still happen a couple years down the road, but this eliminates any talk of JMU.

JMU is being retarded to try and hold out foe CUSA. The SBC offers all the same things. A few less bowls but I don't think a 6-6 team from the SBC should worry too much about that.

We're supposed to have a 4th bowl lined up by 2015. Still a couple less...but as you said its enough that 7-5 and up will be able to go.

Where will the 4th bowl be played?

What I was trying to say was the SBC has a few less bowls than CUSA but I don't think a 6-6 school from the CAA transitioning to FBS like JMU really needs to worry about a making a bowl right now.

What JMU needs to worry about IMO is being left behind in FBS. CUSA splits in half and forms a new eastern based conference they won't be able to get into because they decided to sit on the sidelines and not move up.
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(04-08-2014 12:40 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 12:27 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:53 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:43 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If it comes true, there will be a lot of unhappy SBC fans. Too much Missouri State/JMU talk. Missouri State can certainly still happen a couple years down the road, but this eliminates any talk of JMU.

JMU is being retarded to try and hold out foe CUSA. The SBC offers all the same things. A few less bowls but I don't think a 6-6 team from the SBC should worry too much about that.

We're supposed to have a 4th bowl lined up by 2015. Still a couple less...but as you said its enough that 7-5 and up will be able to go.

Where will the 4th bowl be played?

What I was trying to say was the SBC has a few less bowls than CUSA but I don't think a 6-6 school from the CAA transitioning to FBS like JMU really needs to worry about a making a bowl right now.

What JMU needs to worry about IMO is being left behind in FBS. CUSA splits in half and forms a new eastern based conference they won't be able to get into because they decided to sit on the sidelines and not move up.

Group in Orlando wants to start a bowl that will be SBC vs another G5 league. I am fairly optimistic that it will get lined up in time.
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RE: Report: Liberty to the Sun Belt
If true, it seems to insinuate the SBC's intent on getting into VA.

You have to wonder what gives here, though. App State, Georgia Southern, and Georgia State all came from conferences who didn't want LU at their level, but now they are in a bigger place where they do? Is the appeal that they get a school who won't be taken by others and is a safe bet for stability?
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RE: Report: Liberty to the Sun Belt
If true, here's one person's hope that we are closing the door on further expansion or conference movement for a while. (JMU kind of wasted their money on their report and decision to move up, it seems.)

I don't hear too many people in C-USA complaining, at all, about being at 14. I think most of us (with a few vocal exceptions) are just fine with where we are and who our members are. It also seems that the MAC's return to its traditional footprint with only 3 teams out of Michigan and Ohio has them leaning towards staying at 12. The other three G5 conferences seem content at 12 and with their membership (although I'm sure both the AAC and MWC would strongly consider BYU if they were interested.)

So, here's some hope for stability for a few years.
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(04-08-2014 06:49 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  It also seems that the MAC's return to its traditional footprint with only 3 teams out of Michigan and Ohio has them leaning towards staying at 12.

The MAC hasn't been content to stay at 12 for nearly two decades. They first got to 12 members in 1997, and in 1998 they invited Buffalo to get to 13. In 2002 they invited UCF to get to 14. When Marshall and UCF left after 2005, the MAC went back to 12. They immediately worked out a deal with Temple to get back to 13 by 2007, and then started working to bring UMass up from the FCS.

Since first getting to 12 teams in 1997, the MAC has only spent 3 out of the last 17 years at 12 members, and has always been trying to get to 14.
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(04-08-2014 07:09 AM)uakronkid Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 06:49 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  It also seems that the MAC's return to its traditional footprint with only 3 teams out of Michigan and Ohio has them leaning towards staying at 12.

The MAC hasn't been content to stay at 12 for nearly two decades. They first got to 12 members in 1997, and in 1998 they invited Buffalo to get to 13. In 2002 they invited UCF to get to 14. When Marshall and UCF left after 2005, the MAC went back to 12. They immediately worked out a deal with Temple to get back to 13 by 2007, and then started working to bring UMass up from the FCS.

Since first getting to 12 teams in 1997, the MAC has only spent 3 out of the last 17 years at 12 members, and has always been trying to get to 14.

I understand all of that, but none of that worked out for the MAC. To me its a simple question: what teams could be added, today, that wouldn't dilute a very good MAC brand? Why continue to try and ruin a very good thing, is all I'm saying.
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(04-08-2014 07:25 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  I understand all of that, but none of that worked out for the MAC. To me its a simple question: what teams could be added, today, that wouldn't dilute a very good MAC brand? Why continue to try and ruin a very good thing, is all I'm saying.

JMU and Delaware. Maybe Missouri State. They all fit the "MAC profile" and bring the MAC into new areas that already have significant numbers of MAC alumni.
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(04-08-2014 07:09 AM)uakronkid Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 06:49 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  It also seems that the MAC's return to its traditional footprint with only 3 teams out of Michigan and Ohio has them leaning towards staying at 12.

The MAC hasn't been content to stay at 12 for nearly two decades. They first got to 12 members in 1997, and in 1998 they invited Buffalo to get to 13. In 2002 they invited UCF to get to 14. When Marshall and UCF left after 2005, the MAC went back to 12. They immediately worked out a deal with Temple to get back to 13 by 2007, and then started working to bring UMass up from the FCS.

Since first getting to 12 teams in 1997, the MAC has only spent 3 out of the last 17 years at 12 members, and has always been trying to get to 14.

You may be right regarding the past. However, with the new playoff era your are penalized for having more than 12 teams since the conference only gets $1 million/school up to 12 teams. Any more than 12 splits the pot of $12 million. The MAC will have to over come 2 extra teams via bigger TV package which will not be possible, so I don't think the MAC is not going to expand.
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(04-08-2014 12:54 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 12:40 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 12:27 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:53 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 11:43 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If it comes true, there will be a lot of unhappy SBC fans. Too much Missouri State/JMU talk. Missouri State can certainly still happen a couple years down the road, but this eliminates any talk of JMU.

JMU is being retarded to try and hold out foe CUSA. The SBC offers all the same things. A few less bowls but I don't think a 6-6 team from the SBC should worry too much about that.

We're supposed to have a 4th bowl lined up by 2015. Still a couple less...but as you said its enough that 7-5 and up will be able to go.

Where will the 4th bowl be played?

What I was trying to say was the SBC has a few less bowls than CUSA but I don't think a 6-6 school from the CAA transitioning to FBS like JMU really needs to worry about a making a bowl right now.

What JMU needs to worry about IMO is being left behind in FBS. CUSA splits in half and forms a new eastern based conference they won't be able to get into because they decided to sit on the sidelines and not move up.

Group in Orlando wants to start a bowl that will be SBC vs another G5 league. I am fairly optimistic that it will get lined up in time.

Rumor has it that the Orlando Bowl might be taking over for the Beef O'Brady's/St. Pete Bowl. Beef's has already pulled out of sponsorship and the venue sucks.
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