Syracuse's point guard named Ennis reportedly has been a no show in his classes. Syracuse is potentially looking at a Uconn -type NCAA ban because of low APR scores.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/boeheim-j...-sc.73701/
Boeheim is doing all that he can to keep him in school.

This doesn't seem fair. If the player has to prepare for the draft, with millions of dollars on the line, you can't really blame him.

But what is a school supposed to do? The NCAA needs to change this rule before it hurts Syracuse and Jimmy B.

(04-04-2014 01:17 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Syracuse's point guard named Ennis reportedly has been a no show in his classes. Syracuse is potentially looking at a Uconn -type NCAA ban because of low APR scores.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/boeheim-j...-sc.73701/
Boeheim is doing all that he can to keep him in school.

This doesn't seem fair. If the player has to prepare for the draft, with millions of dollars on the line, you can't really blame him.

But what is a school supposed to do? The NCAA needs to change this rule before it hurts Syracuse and Jimmy B.

Or Syracuse should do a better job of recruiting players they think will stay in school and actually attend classes.

Once a person declares he should be off the hook for school. I remember many decades ago a student leaving school as a sophomore to take a job - we thought he was a fool - now he is a multi-millionaire. Why do the vast majority of students go to college - to get a job.

(04-04-2014 01:17 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Syracuse's point guard named Ennis reportedly has been a no show in his classes. Syracuse is potentially looking at a Uconn -type NCAA ban because of low APR scores.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/boeheim-j...-sc.73701/
Boeheim is doing all that he can to keep him in school.

This doesn't seem fair. If the player has to prepare for the draft, with millions of dollars on the line, you can't really blame him.

But what is a school supposed to do? The NCAA needs to change this rule before it hurts Syracuse and Jimmy B.

Stop trying to troll everyone, it's really obnoxious. Syracuse will do there best to deal with Ennis within the current rules. If they have an APR issue, we can talk about it then. This is just idle speculation from a few people that have a class with Ennis. Guess what, I missed class during college and did alright.

(04-04-2014 01:17 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Syracuse's point guard named Ennis reportedly has been a no show in his classes. Syracuse is potentially looking at a Uconn -type NCAA ban because of low APR scores.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/boeheim-j...-sc.73701/
Boeheim is doing all that he can to keep him in school.

This doesn't seem fair. If the player has to prepare for the draft, with millions of dollars on the line, you can't really blame him.

But what is a school supposed to do? The NCAA needs to change this rule before it hurts Syracuse and Jimmy B.

This has already hurt Syracuse. In 2010 they were docked two scholarships for exactly the same thing. While I agree there is something wrong with this, why aren't other schools - notably Kentucky - similarly constrained by the rule? They have more players leaving early than Syracuse.

I hope they just get rid of the rule. I don't wish the post season ban even on our rival oranges.

I'm sure Syracuse will figure out a way work this out, though considering the source I'm not sure it's even a real concern.

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(04-04-2014 01:19 PM)MAcFroggy Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 01:17 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Syracuse's point guard named Ennis reportedly has been a no show in his classes. Syracuse is potentially looking at a Uconn -type NCAA ban because of low APR scores.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/boeheim-j...-sc.73701/
Boeheim is doing all that he can to keep him in school.

This doesn't seem fair. If the player has to prepare for the draft, with millions of dollars on the line, you can't really blame him.

But what is a school supposed to do? The NCAA needs to change this rule before it hurts Syracuse and Jimmy B.

W

Or Syracuse should do a better job of recruiting players they think will stay in school and actually attend classes.

The school has no idea what might happen a year or two years into a player's career. If the school does everythjng riht, why should it be punished? The goal of a school is to prepare students for a career. Syracuse did it. Now it potentially might suffer because of it.

(04-04-2014 01:23 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Once a person declares he should be off the hook for school. I remember many decades ago a student leaving school as a sophomore to take a job - we thought he was a fool - now he is a multi-millionaire. Why do the vast majority of students go to college - to get a job.

This is a problem with basketball more than it is with football. That's because basketball season spans both the fall and spring semesters, and the timing of the NBA draft forces players whose draft stock is such that they have to "audition" prior to it to choose to stop going to classes. Football players can just not enroll for the spring semester, in which case they don't count as negatively in the apr calculation.

How does Kentucky maintain eligibility with all their one-and-doner's?

Hearing that FAU is now under APR watch for all the transfers they've expereinced in the last 3 years.

I may be wrong but my understanding of the rule is if the student finishes the semester they start it doesn't hurt the APR as much as if they don't even if they leave early. JB is probably trying to get Ennis to finish his classes so it doesn't affect the APR as much. My bet is Calipari is getting his players to finish their academic semester so it doesn't hurt the APR. I also believe coaches take a lot of walk-ons who stay 4 years just to help GPA and APR rates.

(04-04-2014 01:49 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  How does Kentucky maintain eligibility with all their one-and-doner's?

Hearing that FAU is now under APR watch for all the transfers they've expereinced in the last 3 years.

They probably use the UNC system.

(04-04-2014 02:12 PM)Aztec Since 88 Wrote:  I may be wrong but my understanding of the rule is if the student finishes the semester they start it doesn't hurt the APR as much as if they don't even if they leave early. JB is probably trying to get Ennis to finish his classes so it doesn't affect the APR as much. My bet is Calipari is getting his players to finish their academic semester so it doesn't hurt the APR. I also believe coaches take a lot of walk-ons who stay 4 years just to help GPA and APR rates.

Walkons don't count in the apr calculations. But they do count if you give them a scholarship. For mid-majors who can't sign the full complement of 13 players with recruited athletes, this could help. But they aren't the schools who have stars leave early for the NBA anyway.

If you have a kid who is a sure (or at least likely) early departure, you need to make sure he enrolls in the bare minimum number of credits in the spring semester so he has a chance of staying in good academic standing by finishing those few classes. It helps if you pick courses where actual class attendance isn't a requirement.

Even for players who don't leave early for the NBA, it's tough to stay eligible if your team makes a deep run in the tournament. Between the conference tournaments and NCAA travel those kids miss a lot of class time. Add in what amount to NBA tryouts, it's a wonder any of them can complete course requirements in anything but Jock classes.

(04-04-2014 01:26 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 01:17 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Syracuse's point guard named Ennis reportedly has been a no show in his classes. Syracuse is potentially looking at a Uconn -type NCAA ban because of low APR scores.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/boeheim-j...-sc.73701/
Boeheim is doing all that he can to keep him in school.

This doesn't seem fair. If the player has to prepare for the draft, with millions of dollars on the line, you can't really blame him.

But what is a school supposed to do? The NCAA needs to change this rule before it hurts Syracuse and Jimmy B.

This has already hurt Syracuse. In 2010 they were docked two scholarships for exactly the same thing. While I agree there is something wrong with this, why aren't other schools - notably Kentucky - similarly constrained by the rule? They have more players leaving early than Syracuse.

Because Kentucky's players keep going to class and maintain their GPA through the end of the semester. So if they leave in good standing, it doesn't count against APR.

Just get a tutor and take the finals. No need to attend the classes. Who takes attendance? This isn't kindergarten.

(04-04-2014 01:32 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 01:19 PM)MAcFroggy Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 01:17 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Syracuse's point guard named Ennis reportedly has been a no show in his classes. Syracuse is potentially looking at a Uconn -type NCAA ban because of low APR scores.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/boeheim-j...-sc.73701/
Boeheim is doing all that he can to keep him in school.

This doesn't seem fair. If the player has to prepare for the draft, with millions of dollars on the line, you can't really blame him.

But what is a school supposed to do? The NCAA needs to change this rule before it hurts Syracuse and Jimmy B.

W

Or Syracuse should do a better job of recruiting players they think will stay in school and actually attend classes.

The school has no idea what might happen a year or two years into a player's career. If the school does everythjng riht, why should it be punished? The goal of a school is to prepare students for a career. Syracuse did it. Now it potentially might suffer because of it.

The goal of school is to educate people not to get them a job. Getting a good job is the result of being well educated.

Teams might have to start being more deliberate in the people they recruit. Instead of just getting 5 of the very best players they can every year they may have to take a few players that they do not think will declare for the draft early. Look at how elite college baseball teams recruit. They can not load up on super elite talent because so many of them get drafted, they would end up with no recruiting class. They have to deliberately select players they think are good, but not so good they will get drafted early and chose minor league ball instead of college. It is really tricky at times. Sometimes teams make a run at an elite player hoping he will go to college no matter what.

(04-04-2014 03:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  Because Kentucky's players keep going to class and maintain their GPA through the end of the semester. So if they leave in good standing, it doesn't count against APR.

So I assume that applies for transfers as well; if they leave in good standing, there's no hit to the APR. But aren't there two components to the APR, grades and retention.

(04-04-2014 01:17 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Syracuse's point guard named Ennis reportedly has been a no show in his classes. Syracuse is potentially looking at a Uconn -type NCAA ban because of low APR scores.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/boeheim-j...-sc.73701/
Boeheim is doing all that he can to keep him in school.

This doesn't seem fair. If the player has to prepare for the draft, with millions of dollars on the line, you can't really blame him.

But what is a school supposed to do? The NCAA needs to change this rule before it hurts Syracuse and Jimmy B.

Not recruit bad students?

Nothing needs to be done. That is the risk you take when recruiting these types of "student-athletes"

(04-04-2014 03:59 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 03:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  Because Kentucky's players keep going to class and maintain their GPA through the end of the semester. So if they leave in good standing, it doesn't count against APR.

So I assume that applies for transfers as well; if they leave in good standing, there's no hit to the APR. But aren't there two components to the APR, grades and retention.

Grades are not a component in the apr unless they result in the player being academically ineligible at the end of the semester.

(04-04-2014 03:59 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 03:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  Because Kentucky's players keep going to class and maintain their GPA through the end of the semester. So if they leave in good standing, it doesn't count against APR.

So I assume that applies for transfers as well; if they leave in good standing, there's no hit to the APR. But aren't there two components to the APR, grades and retention.

You don't get hurt for transfers if they leave in good academic standing.

If they were hit for transfers, Texas would be out of the tourney for about 5 years. UT lost a bunch of players to transfers last year.