(04-06-2014 11:25 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:03 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 10:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 10:52 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Still, you can't just pick a rival. Rivalries develop over time. CU hasn't spent enough time in the PAC to develop one. The fact that CU has been aus bad as they have been has slowed that development.

A real rivalry will develop and honestly I doubt that it will be Utah.

if utah & cu had no history you would be right. it would be a rutgers-maryland shotgun marriage.

but that's not the case. cu & uu have been yearly rivals for 60 years and conference members for nearly 50.

And the only people who remember it aren't long for this world.

A rivalry will develop in time for CU to get excited about.

Still, why would you want to aim 'low' and make Utah your big rival? I say low in the sense that there are some big players in the PAC to choose from.

the pac has a Noah's arc setup. every other pac12 school has a go to conference rival. who is cu gonna rival up with and be considered their primary conference rival other than utah?

the reason I am so open to this is because we just got out of a dysfunctional b12 setup where we had to force unnatural rivalries. i don't wanna go down that road again.

utah & cu has history, they are border states, and they fit in perfectly with the pac12 Noah's arc setup

Schools are always open to another rival of note.

I think CU's biggest issue is the fact that they haven't been very good during their move. CU is a vastly superior program to Utah, a big time rivalry just won't develop again in my opinion. What is there to be rivals over?

A good rival will develop as CU finds itself playing at its historical level, above average. When that happens a big nationally important rivalry will develop.

Besides, as a CU fan do you really want your rival to be Utah?

dude.....


we are talking oregon/oregon st, wu-wsu, stanford cal, zona asu, ucla, usc

there is no way.....NO WAY cu can ever develop a rivalry on par with those.

while cu is a better program than uu historically, i think it has everything you need to make a decent rivalry.

cu in this situation lacks options and if they were gonna get a program "of equal strength" their options are:

washington: (out of division and already has wsu)
BYU: maybe, but theres the utah aspect of things.

other than those 2??? can't think of anyone.

(04-06-2014 10:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 10:34 PM)billings Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 10:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 09:25 PM)billings Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 11:04 AM)john01992 Wrote:  and comments like these are exactly what i am talking about.

Utah-Colorado are actually longtime rivals. they had 57 games up until 1960 when the rivalry ended. One of the problems with CU in the b8 is they had no rival. most of the time our end of year rival was KSU which makes no sense at all.

CU didn't get a true conference rival until the b12 killed the NU-OU rivalry. NU-CU had this joke of a rivalry which can moreso be described as a forced shotgun marriage than anything.

with our past history with utah & the noahs arc rivalry setup of the pac12 we don't have to deal with that BS. for once we have not only an undisputed conference rival, but a school we share history with and actually considers us their rival as well.

Utah/s Main rival is and will always be BYU not CU.

Utah has more recent rivalries with the Arizona schools when they were all in the WAC together then with CU whose Utah ties were long severed

just because UU has BYU does not mean UU & CU can't be rivals.

would you say MSU & UM can't be rivals because of OSU????

and there's this whole "CSU" aspect of things you are forgetting.

you are basically saying that asu/zona having 18/27 game rivalries with UU is more important than a 57 game rivalry because of a decade & a half split?????

seriously?? UU didn't turn to the zona schools as partners until AFTER CU ditched them. and even then UU had BYU & utah state as developed rivals. CU emerged as UUs go to rivals BEFORE the other 2 utah programs developed and the 2 schools were conference rivals before the pac12 formed in 1915

this is about as stupid as it gets

Just saying few Utah fans see CU as their rival or get excited about the matchup. Even though many CU fans really want them to,

really 1915? Hell most utah fans today don't remember 1960 either or being in the same conference as CU

you can't buy history. cu-uu get to rekindle an old rivalry. it is a matchup of institutions whose programs are on equal level and consider each others main conf. foe.

I find it hilarious that a wyoming fan is even touching this topic. but then again that explains why. someones a lil bitter about his rivalry playing 2nd fiddle to CU-CSU

I don't really think about CU/CSU much, Yes some CSU fans love that game but I don't think it hurts the WYO/CSU game much. Kind of like you don't think a Utah/BYU rivalry stops a CU/Utah rivalry thing happening.

I know quite a few Utah fans and they don't think CU is all I am saying, they look south or west

(04-06-2014 11:33 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:25 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:03 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 10:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if utah & cu had no history you would be right. it would be a rutgers-maryland shotgun marriage.

but that's not the case. cu & uu have been yearly rivals for 60 years and conference members for nearly 50.

And the only people who remember it aren't long for this world.

A rivalry will develop in time for CU to get excited about.

Still, why would you want to aim 'low' and make Utah your big rival? I say low in the sense that there are some big players in the PAC to choose from.

the pac has a Noah's arc setup. every other pac12 school has a go to conference rival. who is cu gonna rival up with and be considered their primary conference rival other than utah?

the reason I am so open to this is because we just got out of a dysfunctional b12 setup where we had to force unnatural rivalries. i don't wanna go down that road again.

utah & cu has history, they are border states, and they fit in perfectly with the pac12 Noah's arc setup

Schools are always open to another rival of note.

I think CU's biggest issue is the fact that they haven't been very good during their move. CU is a vastly superior program to Utah, a big time rivalry just won't develop again in my opinion. What is there to be rivals over?

A good rival will develop as CU finds itself playing at its historical level, above average. When that happens a big nationally important rivalry will develop.

Besides, as a CU fan do you really want your rival to be Utah?

dude.....


we are talking oregon/oregon st, wu-wsu, stanford cal, zona asu, ucla, usc

there is no way.....NO WAY cu can ever develop a rivalry on par with those.

while cu is a better program than uu historically, i think it has everything you need to make a decent rivalry.

cu in this situation lacks options and if they were gonna get a program "of equal strength" their options are:

washington: (out of division and already has wsu)
BYU: maybe, but theres the utah aspect of things.

other than those 2??? can't think of anyone.

I think you're selling CU short a bit.

A lot of programs have two major rivals, Alabama for example has a very nasty rivalry with Tennessee to go along with our in state rival. That rivalry came about because both programs were good.

As soon as CU improves and begins to rub elbows with the better teams in the PAC a much stronger rival will emerge than Utah.

(04-07-2014 12:02 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think you're selling CU short a bit.

A lot of programs have two major rivals, Alabama for example has a very nasty rivalry with Tennessee to go along with our in state rival. That rivalry came about because both programs were good.

As soon as CU improves and begins to rub elbows with the better teams in the PAC a much stronger rival will emerge than Utah.

Very, Very nasty. My relatives that went UT have a healthy dislike for 'Bama. But they also get into it with the other family member who decided Vandy was right for her. It's very entertaining. I think they're a lot more vile towards bama though.

If we see a situation where CU and UU are at the top of the Pac for a significant amount of time, I bet something pretty nasty would brew out of it.

(04-03-2014 04:56 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  IMO Colorado is an outlier in geography but it fits best (philosophically/culturally) with PAC schools, thus, I believe they're in the right conference. I don't think WVU fits in with the Big 12 in either way. WVU seems like an SEC school to me.

I think they're more ACC. The level of fan support, geography, and history fit perfectly with the ACC schools. Milan Puskar Stadium is top end of the ACC (trails 5 on-campus stadiums) and low end of the SEC (trails 13 stadiums).

(04-07-2014 12:02 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:33 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:25 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:03 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  And the only people who remember it aren't long for this world.

A rivalry will develop in time for CU to get excited about.

Still, why would you want to aim 'low' and make Utah your big rival? I say low in the sense that there are some big players in the PAC to choose from.

the pac has a Noah's arc setup. every other pac12 school has a go to conference rival. who is cu gonna rival up with and be considered their primary conference rival other than utah?

the reason I am so open to this is because we just got out of a dysfunctional b12 setup where we had to force unnatural rivalries. i don't wanna go down that road again.

utah & cu has history, they are border states, and they fit in perfectly with the pac12 Noah's arc setup

Schools are always open to another rival of note.

I think CU's biggest issue is the fact that they haven't been very good during their move. CU is a vastly superior program to Utah, a big time rivalry just won't develop again in my opinion. What is there to be rivals over?

A good rival will develop as CU finds itself playing at its historical level, above average. When that happens a big nationally important rivalry will develop.

Besides, as a CU fan do you really want your rival to be Utah?

dude.....


we are talking oregon/oregon st, wu-wsu, stanford cal, zona asu, ucla, usc

there is no way.....NO WAY cu can ever develop a rivalry on par with those.

while cu is a better program than uu historically, i think it has everything you need to make a decent rivalry.

cu in this situation lacks options and if they were gonna get a program "of equal strength" their options are:

washington: (out of division and already has wsu)
BYU: maybe, but theres the utah aspect of things.

other than those 2??? can't think of anyone.

I think you're selling CU short a bit.

A lot of programs have two major rivals, Alabama for example has a very nasty rivalry with Tennessee to go along with our in state rival. That rivalry came about because both programs were good.

As soon as CU improves and begins to rub elbows with the better teams in the PAC a much stronger rival will emerge than Utah.

tenn/bama had 100 years to develop. sorry dude but in this day in age it i very difficult to come up with a brand new rivalry. especially when CU as a new school is facing conference members who have been going at it for 100 years. the pac is smart, part of the reason they took UU is because they knew they would fit in well with CU.

and FYI i am not selling my school short. I am just so sick of the nebraska bullsh!t that I don't wanna go back to anything like that ever again.

(04-06-2014 11:51 PM)billings Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 10:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 10:34 PM)billings Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 10:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 09:25 PM)billings Wrote:  Utah/s Main rival is and will always be BYU not CU.

Utah has more recent rivalries with the Arizona schools when they were all in the WAC together then with CU whose Utah ties were long severed

just because UU has BYU does not mean UU & CU can't be rivals.

would you say MSU & UM can't be rivals because of OSU????

and there's this whole "CSU" aspect of things you are forgetting.

you are basically saying that asu/zona having 18/27 game rivalries with UU is more important than a 57 game rivalry because of a decade & a half split?????

seriously?? UU didn't turn to the zona schools as partners until AFTER CU ditched them. and even then UU had BYU & utah state as developed rivals. CU emerged as UUs go to rivals BEFORE the other 2 utah programs developed and the 2 schools were conference rivals before the pac12 formed in 1915

this is about as stupid as it gets

Just saying few Utah fans see CU as their rival or get excited about the matchup. Even though many CU fans really want them to,

really 1915? Hell most utah fans today don't remember 1960 either or being in the same conference as CU

you can't buy history. cu-uu get to rekindle an old rivalry. it is a matchup of institutions whose programs are on equal level and consider each others main conf. foe.

I find it hilarious that a wyoming fan is even touching this topic. but then again that explains why. someones a lil bitter about his rivalry playing 2nd fiddle to CU-CSU

I don't really think about CU/CSU much, Yes some CSU fans love that game but I don't think it hurts the WYO/CSU game much. Kind of like you don't think a Utah/BYU rivalry stops a CU/Utah rivalry thing happening.

I know quite a few Utah fans and they don't think CU is all I am saying, they look south or west

give em a few years. they did come straight out of the mwc.

sooner or later they will adjust to their new surroundings

(04-07-2014 12:02 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:33 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:25 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:03 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  And the only people who remember it aren't long for this world.

A rivalry will develop in time for CU to get excited about.

Still, why would you want to aim 'low' and make Utah your big rival? I say low in the sense that there are some big players in the PAC to choose from.

the pac has a Noah's arc setup. every other pac12 school has a go to conference rival. who is cu gonna rival up with and be considered their primary conference rival other than utah?

the reason I am so open to this is because we just got out of a dysfunctional b12 setup where we had to force unnatural rivalries. i don't wanna go down that road again.

utah & cu has history, they are border states, and they fit in perfectly with the pac12 Noah's arc setup

Schools are always open to another rival of note.

I think CU's biggest issue is the fact that they haven't been very good during their move. CU is a vastly superior program to Utah, a big time rivalry just won't develop again in my opinion. What is there to be rivals over?

A good rival will develop as CU finds itself playing at its historical level, above average. When that happens a big nationally important rivalry will develop.

Besides, as a CU fan do you really want your rival to be Utah?

dude.....


we are talking oregon/oregon st, wu-wsu, stanford cal, zona asu, ucla, usc

there is no way.....NO WAY cu can ever develop a rivalry on par with those.

while cu is a better program than uu historically, i think it has everything you need to make a decent rivalry.

cu in this situation lacks options and if they were gonna get a program "of equal strength" their options are:

washington: (out of division and already has wsu)
BYU: maybe, but theres the utah aspect of things.

other than those 2??? can't think of anyone.

I think you're selling CU short a bit.

A lot of programs have two major rivals, Alabama for example has a very nasty rivalry with Tennessee to go along with our in state rival. That rivalry came about because both programs were good.

As soon as CU improves and begins to rub elbows with the better teams in the PAC a much stronger rival will emerge than Utah.

Alabama has a nasty rivalry which has developed with LSU as well.

(04-07-2014 12:12 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 12:02 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:33 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:25 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the pac has a Noah's arc setup. every other pac12 school has a go to conference rival. who is cu gonna rival up with and be considered their primary conference rival other than utah?

the reason I am so open to this is because we just got out of a dysfunctional b12 setup where we had to force unnatural rivalries. i don't wanna go down that road again.

utah & cu has history, they are border states, and they fit in perfectly with the pac12 Noah's arc setup

Schools are always open to another rival of note.

I think CU's biggest issue is the fact that they haven't been very good during their move. CU is a vastly superior program to Utah, a big time rivalry just won't develop again in my opinion. What is there to be rivals over?

A good rival will develop as CU finds itself playing at its historical level, above average. When that happens a big nationally important rivalry will develop.

Besides, as a CU fan do you really want your rival to be Utah?

dude.....


we are talking oregon/oregon st, wu-wsu, stanford cal, zona asu, ucla, usc

there is no way.....NO WAY cu can ever develop a rivalry on par with those.

while cu is a better program than uu historically, i think it has everything you need to make a decent rivalry.

cu in this situation lacks options and if they were gonna get a program "of equal strength" their options are:

washington: (out of division and already has wsu)
BYU: maybe, but theres the utah aspect of things.

other than those 2??? can't think of anyone.

I think you're selling CU short a bit.

A lot of programs have two major rivals, Alabama for example has a very nasty rivalry with Tennessee to go along with our in state rival. That rivalry came about because both programs were good.

As soon as CU improves and begins to rub elbows with the better teams in the PAC a much stronger rival will emerge than Utah.

Alabama has a nasty rivalry which has developed with LSU as well.

yeah after 70 something years in the SEC.

in the meantime wtf are people saying uu & cu can not be a rivalry because of a hypothetical rivalry that will come in the future?

(04-07-2014 12:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 12:12 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 12:02 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:33 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:25 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Schools are always open to another rival of note.

I think CU's biggest issue is the fact that they haven't been very good during their move. CU is a vastly superior program to Utah, a big time rivalry just won't develop again in my opinion. What is there to be rivals over?

A good rival will develop as CU finds itself playing at its historical level, above average. When that happens a big nationally important rivalry will develop.

Besides, as a CU fan do you really want your rival to be Utah?

dude.....


we are talking oregon/oregon st, wu-wsu, stanford cal, zona asu, ucla, usc

there is no way.....NO WAY cu can ever develop a rivalry on par with those.

while cu is a better program than uu historically, i think it has everything you need to make a decent rivalry.

cu in this situation lacks options and if they were gonna get a program "of equal strength" their options are:

washington: (out of division and already has wsu)
BYU: maybe, but theres the utah aspect of things.

other than those 2??? can't think of anyone.

I think you're selling CU short a bit.

A lot of programs have two major rivals, Alabama for example has a very nasty rivalry with Tennessee to go along with our in state rival. That rivalry came about because both programs were good.

As soon as CU improves and begins to rub elbows with the better teams in the PAC a much stronger rival will emerge than Utah.

Alabama has a nasty rivalry which has developed with LSU as well.

yeah after 70 something years in the SEC.

in the meantime wtf are people saying uu & cu can not be a rivalry because of a hypothetical rivalry that will come in the future?

I am sure that the smart people at Colorado thought all these issues through carefully before they made the jump. I am of the opinion that rivalry or not, Colorado will soon be much better. Why couldn't Arizona be a future rival? They share a border as well.

Nobody is saying they 'can't' be rivals with Utah, some of us are just saying why? Besides, rivalries develop; they aren't picked.

When CU gets better a true rival will emerge. It's possible that could be Utah but Utah is fairly low hanging fruit in the PAC.

If CU gets into a situation where they find themselves and Arizona, or whomever else, actually competing for something, a spot in the conference championship game, etc, then it can really develop.

Being terrible for several years has just slowed that development.

As soon as CU improves and begins to rub elbows with the better teams in the PAC a much stronger rival will emerge than Utah.
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^^^I wouldn't trust anyone from Alabama to be prepared for what Utah brings to the table ^^^

Colorado and Utah are both cold weather schools that are going to be bottomdwellers in track/baseball in the PAC. Colorado produces fewer D1 football players than any other state in the PAC. Also, the CU experience isn't much different than other PAC schools, which puts CU at a bigger football recruiting disadvantage than what it experienced in the BigXII.

I don't see the route for Colorado football to suddenly emerge as a dominant football force in the PAC without a strong recruiting pool and without a recent history of success. And unless Colorado hires a great Polynesian head coach, any growth in recruiting will likely come at the expense of PAC12 schools not named Utah. The Utah/CU rivalry in most years is going to mean playing that last game for a sixth win and bowl eligibility which is going to make for some bitter contests and a real rivalry.

Basketball is a little more wide open. Unless Utah returns to Majerus levels of success and develops a rivalry with Arizona, CU and Utah have a nice thing going with the most feared road trip in the conference. That should continue to deliver a moderate level of baseline success.

As for the Utah/BYU rivalry, that game isn't even being played in 2014 and 2015. It's hard to be rivals with a school that isn't on your schedule.

(04-07-2014 12:59 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 12:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 12:12 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 12:02 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 11:33 PM)john01992 Wrote:  dude.....


we are talking oregon/oregon st, wu-wsu, stanford cal, zona asu, ucla, usc

there is no way.....NO WAY cu can ever develop a rivalry on par with those.

while cu is a better program than uu historically, i think it has everything you need to make a decent rivalry.

cu in this situation lacks options and if they were gonna get a program "of equal strength" their options are:

washington: (out of division and already has wsu)
BYU: maybe, but theres the utah aspect of things.

other than those 2??? can't think of anyone.

I think you're selling CU short a bit.

A lot of programs have two major rivals, Alabama for example has a very nasty rivalry with Tennessee to go along with our in state rival. That rivalry came about because both programs were good.

As soon as CU improves and begins to rub elbows with the better teams in the PAC a much stronger rival will emerge than Utah.

Alabama has a nasty rivalry which has developed with LSU as well.

yeah after 70 something years in the SEC.

in the meantime wtf are people saying uu & cu can not be a rivalry because of a hypothetical rivalry that will come in the future?

I am sure that the smart people at Colorado thought all these issues through carefully before they made the jump. I am of the opinion that rivalry or not, Colorado will soon be much better. Why couldn't Arizona be a future rival? They share a border as well.

ok "real" borders. for me i am more than satisfied with utah. we have plenty of history, geography, and every other pac12 school has a rival.

for me its a no brainer. I just don't get why a few are under the assumption that something with zona is gonna emerge.

(04-07-2014 03:06 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 12:02 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

As soon as CU improves and begins to rub elbows with the better teams in the PAC a much stronger rival will emerge than Utah.

^^^I wouldn't trust anyone from Alabama to be prepared for what Utah brings to the table ^^^

Colorado and Utah are both cold weather schools that are going to be bottomdwellers in track/baseball in the PAC. Colorado produces fewer D1 football players than any other state in the PAC. Also, the CU experience isn't much different than other PAC schools, which puts CU at a bigger football recruiting disadvantage than what it experienced in the BigXII.

I don't see the route for Colorado football to suddenly emerge as a dominant football force in the PAC without a strong recruiting pool and without a recent history of success. And unless Colorado hires a great Polynesian head coach, any growth in recruiting will likely come at the expense of PAC12 schools not named Utah. The Utah/CU rivalry in most years is going to mean playing that last game for a sixth win and bowl eligibility which is going to make for some bitter contests and a real rivalry.

Basketball is a little more wide open. Unless Utah returns to Majerus levels of success and develops a rivalry with Arizona, CU and Utah have a nice thing going with the most feared road trip in the conference. That should continue to deliver a moderate level of baseline success.

As for the Utah/BYU rivalry, that game isn't even being played in 2014 and 2015. It's hard to be rivals with a school that isn't on your schedule.
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cu recruits texas & cali. i don't see a recruiting disadvantage for them.

while cu has the weakest facilities among p12 schools, boulder is one of the best destination towns for your typical college kid.

i don't see a BB rivalry developing with utah. i think we already have something like that building with zona.

(04-07-2014 03:28 PM)john01992 Wrote:  cu recruits texas & cali. i don't see a recruiting disadvantage for them.

while cu has the weakest facilities among p12 schools, boulder is one of the best destination towns for your typical college kid.

CU doesn't recruit Cali as well as USC, UCLA, and Furd. Without the facilities of Oregon, it will be hard for any PAC school to be routinely competitive with second tier Cali and Texas recruits. Washington and Arizona have a fair amount of local talent, which helps ASU and UW.

As a destination town, Boulder had a huge advantage over Kansas, Iowa State and Oklahoma St, but Seattle, LA, San Fran, and Phoenix are all at least as appealing as Boulder. It's an uphill climb. The SW schools may have benefitted from the addition of the Texahoma 4 as some additional Texas exposure might have benefitted them more than the Cal schools.

(04-07-2014 03:40 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 03:28 PM)john01992 Wrote:  cu recruits texas & cali. i don't see a recruiting disadvantage for them.

while cu has the weakest facilities among p12 schools, boulder is one of the best destination towns for your typical college kid.

CU doesn't recruit Cali as well as USC, UCLA, and Furd. Without the facilities of Oregon, it will be hard for any PAC school to be routinely competitive with second tier Cali and Texas recruits. Washington and Arizona have a fair amount of local talent, which helps ASU and UW.

As a destination town, Boulder had a huge advantage over Kansas, Iowa State and Oklahoma St, but Seattle, LA, San Fran, and Phoenix are all at least as appealing as Boulder. It's an uphill climb. The SW schools may have benefitted from the addition of the Texahoma 4 as some additional Texas exposure might have benefitted them more than the Cal schools.

cu hasn't been in a cali conference until pac12 membership. while i doubt the home CA schools to do well recruiting. lets not forget that CA exports more recruits than any other state.

(04-03-2014 04:35 PM)john01992 Wrote:  probably my biggest pet peeve and one of the comments I see far to often is that colorado is an outlier in the pac12.

I am so sick of this comment and it deserves its own thread just to put this false notion to bed.

yes utah is our closest member at 503 miles. But the closest member in the b12 was nebraska at 498 miles.

the pac12 footprint has 2.5X more CU alumni than the original b12 footprint.

CU has always recruiting emphasis has always been california. Go back to any CU team since the 60s and you will find more cali players than texas players.

sorry for the rant but i have grown tired of this talking point.

Don't listen to those people then.

Of all the conference movement the P12 is the only one that made total sense.

Though I think it helps that people in my area (Chicagoland) think a "Western State" is anything West of ND/SD/Neb/Kansas/OU/TX.

(04-07-2014 03:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  cu hasn't been in a cali conference until pac12 membership. while i doubt the home CA schools to do well recruiting. lets not forget that CA exports more recruits than any other state.

USC's NCAA violations provided a once in a generation opportunity for schools like Utah and Colorado to gain greater traction with first tier recruits in SoCal. Both programs failed miserably to capitalize on this opportunity. It was very bad timing for both programs to be in down years. In fact, Utah missing 3 fgs against Colorado to fall out of the PAC CCG in 2011 was probably the single worst thing to happen to the program in the last 25 years given the absolutely atrocious timing.

Lol the Big Ten forced a rivalry between Penn State and Sparty, we don't give two about that rivalry, we care more about a rivalry with Indiana that is almost purely there because of basketball but carried over in football.