It could be hard to recruit a quality AD if the positions reports to an accountant in the finance division.

JMU Athletics is the envy of EVERY FCS School. EVERY! Who the new AD would report to would have zero bearing on whether they would come to JMU or not. They would die for the job. The model has worked extremely well for JMU. Charlie King is a sports guy. Jeff could never have worked WITH a better boss. I just hope whoever replaces Jeff doesn't screw it up. Jeff is a great AD and better person. Can't name him the GOAT because there was a gentleman named Dean Ehlers who he would be competing with. Two great people. We will let it be a tie.

(07-01-2019 03:17 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  JMU Athletics is the envy of EVERY FCS School. EVERY! Who the new AD would report to would have zero bearing on whether they would come to JMU or not. They would die for the job. The model has worked extremely well for JMU. Charlie King is a sports guy. Jeff could never have worked WITH a better boss. I just hope whoever replaces Jeff doesn't screw it up. Jeff is a great AD and better person. Can't name him the GOAT because there was a gentleman named Dean Ehlers who he would be competing with. Two great people. We will let it be a tie.

Could not agree more.

Whoever replaces JB, the university structure/reporting tree will be little to no impact. JMU is the envy of FCS no doubt and a better AD job that probably 50% of G5. JB overall has done a damn good job, so lets just appreciate what we have for a few more years.

Does that mean the new VP of Finance needs to be a sports guy to maintain this structure? The future doesn’t include Charlie, so it would be silly to base the reporting structure on the outgoing VP being a sports guy.

JMU MBB Attendance:
2018 - 2,664
2017 - 2,867
2016 - 3,001
2015 - 3,416
2014 - 3,612
2013 - 3,334
2012 - 3,452
2011 - 3,721
2010 - 3,732
2009 - 3,603
2008 - 3,632
2007 - 3,302
2006 - 3,818
2005 - 3,223
2004 - 3,697
2003 - 3,726
2002 - 4,466
2001 - 3,926
2000 - 4,268
1999 - 4,180
1998 - 4,515
1997 - 4,740
1996 - 4,569
1995 - 5,637
1994 - 5,616
1993 - 6,086
1992 - 6,122
1991 - 6,292
1990 - 6,802
1989 - 6,140

(07-01-2019 02:43 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  If you want to play the blame game, finger Rose as your man. Any opportunity to move anywhere (new conference wise) had long since been taken off the table by the time Alger took over.

Yep. Anyone that’s been paying attention can blame Rose for the lack of action in 2011/2012, using his retirement as the “excuse”.

Alger was just on board shortly before the 2013 sun belt invite. I guess he could be blamed for that specific conference.

Other than that, there’s been no proof of conference opportunities since the sun belt in 2013.

(07-01-2019 04:13 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  JMU MBB Attendance:
2018 - 2,664
2017 - 2,867
2016 - 3,001
2015 - 3,416
2014 - 3,612
2013 - 3,334
2012 - 3,452
2011 - 3,721
2010 - 3,732
2009 - 3,603
2008 - 3,632
2007 - 3,302
2006 - 3,818
2005 - 3,223
2004 - 3,697
2003 - 3,726
2002 - 4,466
2001 - 3,926
2000 - 4,268
1999 - 4,180
1998 - 4,515
1997 - 4,740
1996 - 4,569
1995 - 5,637
1994 - 5,616
1993 - 6,086
1992 - 6,122
1991 - 6,292
1990 - 6,802
1989 - 6,140

so when we average 5,000 in 2020, will DM2 be out of firepower and done posting?

VCU - What is the relationship like between you and your president?

I truly value the partnership that I have with Dr. Rao, who is a terrific president and a personal mentor. We have a high level of trust that starts with solid communication. He is a very busy individual who runs a $3 billion enterprise, so I make sure he knows exactly what he needs to know, and before he needs to know it.

Before I accepted the position of Director of Athletics at VCU in the summer of 2012, I made sure that I fit the type of leader that Dr. Rao wanted and that he gave me the flexibility to do the job how I needed to do it. During my interview, he solely talked about the relationship, the communication, the collaboration and the trust between us, and those points resonated with me.

One terrific example of why I prefer a president with a hands-off management style came last spring when we hired our new basketball coach, Will Wade. I needed to run the search quickly, given the start of the spring recruiting period and the nature of basketball head coaching changes. I couldn’t take the chance that we lose our current student-athletes due to uncertainty. Given his busy presidential schedule, Dr. Rao was traveling for university business and unable to meet candidates. He trusted me to run the search to identify a preferred candidate, communicate with him on our status and forward a candidate to him for his approval.

Had my president demanded to be part of the vetting process, we would have lost a week and would have lost interested candidates. Conversely, if he had deserted his university business to be part of the interviews, the university could have suffered. He trusted me to find the coach that fit our program and our university. We found that fit.

How is the relationship between presidents and athletic directors changing? Can these changes cause conflict?

The ever-changing nature of college athletics has changed the dynamic between presidents and athletic directors as well. The conflict can come if egos interfere with work but the closer the relationship can be for a president and an athletic director, the more success each will be in reaching university goals. Most athletic directors at the high levels report directly to the president now. That change has allowed the relationships to grow deeper and stronger.

Ask any athletic director in the country what are the best AD jobs in the NCAA, and the response will be common: the jobs with the best presidents

In a move that could enhance the profile of a university, Fordham president Rev. Joseph McShane has decided to change the athletics management structure and have the new athletic director report directly to him, two highly placed sources at the university told The Post.

The move should allow Fordham to attract an elite athletic director whose mandate will be to elevate the Rams athletic teams to the level of its academic success. It is the most important decision regarding athletics that Fordham has made in the last 20 years, a move designed to have the university walk alongside the likes of Boston College, Georgetown and Notre Dame.

(07-01-2019 09:50 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(07-01-2019 09:11 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(07-01-2019 09:08 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(07-01-2019 08:23 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  -Home and home with NSU (which is why JMU was left with only 5 home games last season). On the other hand, look at NDSU. They’ve got NC A&T, the only MEAC whom you now could consider a quality OOC, who’s a 3+ hr drive from JMU, flying to Fargo for a one and done next (2020) season.

While I see your point, I don't think they are comparable. The argument here is splitting a home/home with NSU while NDSU doesn't make that concession. Here's the big difference: location. When we played Central Conn St, did they get a home game? Of course not. Why? They are in Connecticut.
Norfolk State, while you may argue that they don't deserve to host us, it actually did have some purpose. First of all, it is in Virginia so travel is no big deal. It was also a game our alumni could go see. Not to mention we have a significant fan base. Also it was a recruiting opportunity. The 757 is always a place we want to recruit from. What better way to recruit than to send the entire team down there and show off.
That's why I don't think its fair to compare the two. NC is not a recruiting hotbed for NDSU. Nor is it a few hours down the road. Definitely not an easy location for NDSU fans to travel to. It would be ridiculous for NDSU to do anything other than what they did. I think if JMU had that game, I would say we'd be doing the same exact thing as NDSU. We never had a home/home with NC Central or Saint Francis or any other low FCS squad.... except Hampton. See the correlation?
I am not a huge supporter of it, but I totally get it. Going to NSU was far more about the game itself as it was an opportunity to engage alumni in the area and recruit the 757.

yep. it's the same reason Tech is going to ODU many times. Their fans will buy up half the tickets and they will get a free recruiting opportunity. win-win for Hokies.....uhhhh, until uhhhh.....until, they lose the <ahem> game....

Good points JMad & Duke Dawg. A 1 for 1 series with NSU might have been a little beneficial in regards to recruiting & tidewater area alums. But if it was THAT beneficial, I don’t think it would have been announced that JMU wouldn’t be doing any more of them.

Isn’t VT doing 2 for 1s with ODU though? I and others have stated on here before we wouldn’t have had as much an issue with it if it was a 2 for 1, which I failed to state in my post. And a 2 for 1 wouldn’t have likely as caused only a 5 game home season.

I'd imagine it's pretty beneficial and helps negate some of ODU's advantage in the 757. I don't think it's so much to go show off the team to the area, I think it's more like with Ralph Sampson. Sure you can go to ODU and play close to home for your home games, your friends and family can go to all the home games with ease but your parents are also right there all throughout college... Or you can go play for a better team a few hours away, compete for national championships, and it's not like you never get to play at home. You might get to play in front of tons of friends and family when we come beat down Norfolk State(or ODU in VT's case, minus the beat down of course).

A lot of 18 year olds will view a few hours drive from home rather than being right at home while still occasionally having the chance to play right at home as a win-win. A 2 for 1 could be nice, but if we fill that home game with someone that JMU fans/students care more about than Norfolk State then a home and home isn't so bad.

When Bourne came out with his "18-24 months" prediction for JMU's move to FBS back in 2011 we quickly saw President Rose squash that statement as he was moving into retirement. The A.D. public stance has been less than genuine ever since then.

Alger has turned out to be an egghead and not a proponent of pushing towards FBS. Point the finger at Rose in 2011 and point the finger at Alger since then. Other university presidents have been much more aggressive seeking FBS opportunities over the last decade. The first truth in sales is "If you don't ask, the answer is always no."

I am willing to bet that off the record Jeff would be pro FBS.

(07-01-2019 04:13 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  JMU MBB Attendance:
2018 - 2,664
2017 - 2,867
2016 - 3,001
2015 - 3,416
2014 - 3,612
2013 - 3,334
2012 - 3,452
2011 - 3,721
2010 - 3,732
2009 - 3,603
2008 - 3,632
2007 - 3,302
2006 - 3,818
2005 - 3,223
2004 - 3,697
2003 - 3,726
2002 - 4,466
2001 - 3,926
2000 - 4,268
1999 - 4,180
1998 - 4,515
1997 - 4,740
1996 - 4,569
1995 - 5,637
1994 - 5,616
1993 - 6,086
1992 - 6,122
1991 - 6,292
1990 - 6,802
1989 - 6,140

Haha

Yea, and?

C’mon Dukeman, do you really believe the decades of utter suck have been missed on any of us? C’mon man, we were all there for the 5-28 campaigns.

Good news is, many of are still around. You included.

(07-01-2019 04:13 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  JMU MBB Attendance:
2018 - 2,664
2017 - 2,867
2016 - 3,001
2015 - 3,416
2014 - 3,612
2013 - 3,334
2012 - 3,452
2011 - 3,721
2010 - 3,732
2009 - 3,603
2008 - 3,632
2007 - 3,302
2006 - 3,818
2005 - 3,223
2004 - 3,697
2003 - 3,726
2002 - 4,466
2001 - 3,926
2000 - 4,268
1999 - 4,180
1998 - 4,515
1997 - 4,740
1996 - 4,569
1995 - 5,637
1994 - 5,616
1993 - 6,086
1992 - 6,122
1991 - 6,292
1990 - 6,802
1989 - 6,140

Thanks. The ass kissing posts were getting nauseating.

(07-01-2019 03:28 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Does that mean the new VP of Finance needs to be a sports guy to maintain this structure? The future doesn’t include Charlie, so it would be silly to base the reporting structure on the outgoing VP being a sports guy.

I'd be afraid for the AD to report directly to Alger! That might make it more difficult to get a splash hire.

VCU - What is the relationship like between you and your president?

At VCU Bourne and King would be equals, reporting directly to the President. However the President at VCU is a lot different than the President at JMU, same with the BOV's. I'm not saying one is better than the other but the two schools have different methods and goals.

(07-02-2019 02:52 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  VCU - What is the relationship like between you and your president?

At VCU Bourne and King would be equals, reporting directly to the President. However the President at VCU is a lot different than the President at JMU, same with the BOV's. I'm not saying one is better than the other but the two schools have different methods and goals.

At JMU, The President reports directly to Charlie the King. I expect that when King met Alger he had a good laugh, the opposite of when the rest of us met Alger, we cried.

(07-02-2019 02:38 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(07-01-2019 03:28 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Does that mean the new VP of Finance needs to be a sports guy to maintain this structure? The future doesn’t include Charlie, so it would be silly to base the reporting structure on the outgoing VP being a sports guy.

I'd be afraid for the AD to report directly to Alger! That might make it more difficult to get a splash hire.

Never really considered that POV! Interesting...

(07-02-2019 04:18 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 02:52 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  VCU - What is the relationship like between you and your president?

At VCU Bourne and King would be equals, reporting directly to the President. However the President at VCU is a lot different than the President at JMU, same with the BOV's. I'm not saying one is better than the other but the two schools have different methods and goals.

At JMU, The President reports directly to Charlie the King. I expect that when King met Alger he had a good laugh, the opposite of when the rest of us met Alger, we cried.

I have a relationship with someone that used to work in the athletics department. There are certainly others that share your opinion.