The fact that Powell is transferrring shouldn't mean that there is some underlying problem with the program. Players transfer every year, from every program.

Duke has has at least one guy transfer out each of the past three years. Carolina recently had the Wear twins and Drew transfer out, obviously UKy has had a few guys leave the program (Harrow, Wiltjer, Poole) recently.

In fact, sometimes transfers are good. The staff in the past few years (seemingly) has been content on recruiting for need, not recruiting to get the best guys out there. This past year, it seems the staff basically said, "we're gonna go out and bring in three guys who we think can play the point. Whichever guy shows to be the best will play."

Some kids don't like competition and want to be handed the keys. Perhaps this is a change in philosophy that will bring in tougher players--guys that aren't afraid to compete.

I'm not saying this applies to Powell whatsover, in fact, I am disappointed (buy not surprised) by how many people quickly turn on a 19 year old kid for looking to transfer.

All that being said, if Pookie does go, I hope Markel and McGee get a chance to get real experience next year in what should be a "
recovery year" in advance of what could be a fantasic roster for 15-16.

I have no problem with players transferring.

I'm less worried about losing a guy or two, and more concerned with a general bad vibe that seems to have infiltrated the program after the Matrisciano firing. It's a weird deal and if Verno (who seems to have an agenda, but nevertheless is connected) is correct about others wanting out - there could be a big problem.

(04-03-2014 09:35 AM)jlbphila Wrote:  I'm less worried about losing a guy or two, and more concerned with a general bad vibe that seems to have infiltrated the program after the Matrisciano firing. It's a weird deal and if Verno (who seems to have an agenda, but nevertheless is connected) is correct about others wanting out - there could be a big problem.

Asking an honest question because I don't know. When is the last time Vernon broke anything of significance regarding the basketball program; how often does it happen, and is he really getting any info from anyone that is reliable?

So the problem has gone from Frank Matrisciano being here to Frank Matrisciano not being here. Theater of the absurd is making a come-back.

(04-03-2014 09:44 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  So the problem has gone from Frank Matrisciano being here to Frank Matrisciano not being here. Theater of the absurd is making a come-back.

The grass is greener EVERYWHERE!!!!

(04-03-2014 09:43 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 09:35 AM)jlbphila Wrote:  I'm less worried about losing a guy or two, and more concerned with a general bad vibe that seems to have infiltrated the program after the Matrisciano firing. It's a weird deal and if Verno (who seems to have an agenda, but nevertheless is connected) is correct about others wanting out - there could be a big problem.

Asking an honest question because I don't know. When is the last time Vernon broke anything of significance regarding the basketball program; how often does it happen, and is he really getting any info from anyone that is reliable?

He isn't breaking stories...but if the question is does he have connections to the program, sure. For one, he's close to Parrish.

Breaking stories is just a ruse--that stuff will always be available. The more important info the the stuff you can't break. Vernon, I imagine, is privvy to a lot of that.

(04-03-2014 09:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 09:43 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 09:35 AM)jlbphila Wrote:  I'm less worried about losing a guy or two, and more concerned with a general bad vibe that seems to have infiltrated the program after the Matrisciano firing. It's a weird deal and if Verno (who seems to have an agenda, but nevertheless is connected) is correct about others wanting out - there could be a big problem.

Asking an honest question because I don't know. When is the last time Vernon broke anything of significance regarding the basketball program; how often does it happen, and is he really getting any info from anyone that is reliable?

He isn't breaking stories...but if the question is does he have connections to the program, sure. For one, he's close to Parrish.

Breaking stories is just a ruse--that stuff will always be available. The more important info the the stuff you can't break. Vernon, I imagine, is privvy to a lot of that.

I understand all that. The point is that he is semi breaking stuff before anyone else is. What prior examples are there of him doing this and being right about it?

(04-03-2014 09:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 09:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 09:43 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 09:35 AM)jlbphila Wrote:  I'm less worried about losing a guy or two, and more concerned with a general bad vibe that seems to have infiltrated the program after the Matrisciano firing. It's a weird deal and if Verno (who seems to have an agenda, but nevertheless is connected) is correct about others wanting out - there could be a big problem.

Asking an honest question because I don't know. When is the last time Vernon broke anything of significance regarding the basketball program; how often does it happen, and is he really getting any info from anyone that is reliable?

He isn't breaking stories...but if the question is does he have connections to the program, sure. For one, he's close to Parrish.

Breaking stories is just a ruse--that stuff will always be available. The more important info the the stuff you can't break. Vernon, I imagine, is privvy to a lot of that.

I understand all that. The point is that he is semi breaking stuff before anyone else is. What prior examples are there of him doing this and being right about it?

I don't see where he is breaking stuff. He said he's heard rumors.

Breaking is like "Dwight Coleby to Memphis" or "jaquan Lyle 95% to Memphis" or "A storm is coming.."

Saying that King is looking to train w/ Frank too is just stating a fact. The inference that can be drawn is how will the Pookie declaration re: Frank affect Nick.

The status of Wilson, Woodson and Iverson (to some extent) may be in question due to their roles this past season. Don't need to be an insider to think that players with limited roles or discipline issues may look elsewhere.

(04-03-2014 09:58 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 09:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 09:51 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 09:43 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 09:35 AM)jlbphila Wrote:  I'm less worried about losing a guy or two, and more concerned with a general bad vibe that seems to have infiltrated the program after the Matrisciano firing. It's a weird deal and if Verno (who seems to have an agenda, but nevertheless is connected) is correct about others wanting out - there could be a big problem.

Asking an honest question because I don't know. When is the last time Vernon broke anything of significance regarding the basketball program; how often does it happen, and is he really getting any info from anyone that is reliable?

He isn't breaking stories...but if the question is does he have connections to the program, sure. For one, he's close to Parrish.

Breaking stories is just a ruse--that stuff will always be available. The more important info the the stuff you can't break. Vernon, I imagine, is privvy to a lot of that.

I understand all that. The point is that he is semi breaking stuff before anyone else is. What prior examples are there of him doing this and being right about it?

I don't see where he is breaking stuff. He said he's heard rumors.

Breaking is like "Dwight Coleby to Memphis" or "jaquan Lyle 95% to Memphis" or "A storm is coming.."

You have chosen two examples from sources who have been right dozens if not hundreds of times. I'm asking for examples where Vernon has been right. Intellectually dishonest of you (as usual) to reference this and compare it to Vernon.

Saying that King is looking to train w/ Frank too is just stating a fact. The inference that can be drawn is how will the Pookie declaration re: Frank affect Nick.

Vernon should ask King instead of inferring anything. Nobody is stopping him and King hasn't said anything.

The status of Wilson, Woodson and Iverson (to some extent) may be in question due to their roles this past season. Don't need to be an insider to think that players with limited roles or discipline issues may look elsewhere.

The coach said he didn't expect anyone to transfer. I didn't hear what Vernon said, but he supposedly said that we might lose 5 players. Getting back to the initial question; how often has Vernon been right about anything? Examples please.

(04-03-2014 10:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  The coach said he didn't expect anyone to transfer. I didn't hear what Vernon said, but he supposedly said that we might lose 5 players. Getting back to the initial question; how often has Vernon been right about anything? Examples please.

So, Pastner says he doesn't expect anyone to leave and Pookie is leaving, so we should challenge Vernon's history of "breaking" stories?

Since you admit you haven't heard what Vernon said, perhaps you should reserve comment.

I think it's an honest question. I was wondering about Vernon's credibility also. I just wanted to know how to gage his comments since I don't listen to him.

Stammers - to answer your question, I don't know that I can recall him breaking any news. I'm not sure anyone "breaks" news anymore though it seems Pastner keeps Grant Milner and Jason Smith in the loop so they get stuff out there the fastest. But I do think Verno is connected, as is GP to people close to the program and they understand things that they can't always talk about. Heck, Verno has a relationship with Frank and it wouldn't surprise me if he's getting this stuff straight from him.

(04-03-2014 10:32 AM)ballhog Wrote:  I think it's an honest question. I was wondering about Vernon's credibility also. I just wanted to know how to gage his comments since I don't listen to him.

I think it's safe to say Vernon isn't in the business of "breaking" stories (whatever that means). Technically the story has benn "broken" about Powell, yet it is not 100% done, so how silly will folks look about this if he comes back.

Bigger point is Vernon has connections to the program. Smart people don't go spouting off every rumor they hear.

Yes, Vernon obviously has some connections, but he's also the one who likes to stir the pot the most for ratings. I'll wait until someone a little more credible makes a statement before I start to worry.

(04-03-2014 10:41 AM)jlbphila Wrote:  Stammers - to answer your question, I don't know that I can recall him breaking any news. I'm not sure anyone "breaks" news anymore though it seems Pastner keeps Grant Milner and Jason Smith in the loop so they get stuff out there the fastest. But I do think Verno is connected, as is GP to people close to the program and they understand things that they can't always talk about. Heck, Verno has a relationship with Frank and it wouldn't surprise me if he's getting this stuff straight from him.

That's a fair and balanced answer; unlike Saluki slanting the story sideways and leaving out all of the important info. I'll ask you the same thing I asked him. Can you think of specific examples where Vernon made statements like this one and the information/statement came true?

(04-03-2014 08:59 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  The fact that Powell is transferrring shouldn't mean that there is some underlying problem with the program. Players transfer every year, from every program.

Duke has has at least one guy transfer out each of the past three years. Carolina recently had the Wear twins and Drew transfer out, obviously UKy has had a few guys leave the program (Harrow, Wiltjer, Poole) recently.

In fact, sometimes transfers are good. The staff in the past few years (seemingly) has been content on recruiting for need, not recruiting to get the best guys out there. This past year, it seems the staff basically said, "we're gonna go out and bring in three guys who we think can play the point. Whichever guy shows to be the best will play."

Some kids don't like competition and want to be handed the keys. Perhaps this is a change in philosophy that will bring in tougher players--guys that aren't afraid to compete.

I'm not saying this applies to Powell whatsover, in fact, I am disappointed (buy not surprised) by how many people quickly turn on a 19 year old kid for looking to transfer.

All that being said, if Pookie does go, I hope Markel and McGee get a chance to get real experience next year in what should be a "
recovery year" in advance of what could be a fantasic roster for 15-16.

Year after Elliot Left Duke they won the championship...So yeah it is not always bad.

(04-03-2014 11:10 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 08:59 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  The fact that Powell is transferrring shouldn't mean that there is some underlying problem with the program. Players transfer every year, from every program.

Duke has has at least one guy transfer out each of the past three years. Carolina recently had the Wear twins and Drew transfer out, obviously UKy has had a few guys leave the program (Harrow, Wiltjer, Poole) recently.

In fact, sometimes transfers are good. The staff in the past few years (seemingly) has been content on recruiting for need, not recruiting to get the best guys out there. This past year, it seems the staff basically said, "we're gonna go out and bring in three guys who we think can play the point. Whichever guy shows to be the best will play."

Some kids don't like competition and want to be handed the keys. Perhaps this is a change in philosophy that will bring in tougher players--guys that aren't afraid to compete.

I'm not saying this applies to Powell whatsover, in fact, I am disappointed (buy not surprised) by how many people quickly turn on a 19 year old kid for looking to transfer.

All that being said, if Pookie does go, I hope Markel and McGee get a chance to get real experience next year in what should be a "
recovery year" in advance of what could be a fantasic roster for 15-16.

Year after Elliot Left Duke they won the championship...So yeah it is not always bad.

And...part of the reason he left was he knew he was a 17 ppg talent elsewhere but couldn't crack that loaded lineup at Duke.

I don't mind guys leaving, as long as they aren't the best ones on the team.

I think the main point is keeping the Lawson's in the fold.

(04-03-2014 11:14 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I think the main point is keeping the Lawson's in the fold.

Hasn't one of them already committed for 2015? I know signing period isn't until October, but one is in the bag at least.