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Thank you. I do too. However, if my little guy likes Broadway musicals or extreme sports or working on cars or whatever else, I'll learn to support him in those endeavors too. It would be fun to share a passion with him but whatever he's into, I'll do my best to be into those things too.
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(04-02-2014 01:20 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Thank you. I do too. However, if my little guy likes Broadway musicals or extreme sports or working on cars or whatever else, I'll learn to support him in those endeavors too. It would be fun to share a passion with him but whatever he's into, I'll do my best to be into those things too.

My sentiments exactly, although snowboarding, rock climbing and mountain biking are all a little hard on Dad's old joints (and Mom's anxiety).
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I had two outstanding male role models growing up: my father and my maternal grandfather. They couldn't have been more different personality-wise or in their interests but they were/are both good men and they both treated me exceptionally well growing up. Many of the people in my family tell me that my personality is a good mixture of my Pap's and my father's. I can't speak to that but I do I aspire to be as kind and generous and patient with my little boy as they were with me.

My grandfather grew up on a golf course before that's where rich families lived. He really loved the game and golfed as often as he could all the way up until his death at age 86. He was just a happy-go-lucky diminutive little Irishman. And like every other Irishman of his generation, after the service, he ultimately became a police officer. Also, true to form, he was a Notre Dame fan who sent three of his children to South Bend (my aunt went to St. Mary's). My Pap was active in the FOP for years and was always a big supporter of unions and the Democratic Party.

Fortunately, my father is still alive and well. He's a big, strong guy who is just so, so cynical and has a very dry sense of humor. He can cut you off at the knees with a single phrase and it will leave a mark. He's an Obama-hating conservative who would like Rush Limbaugh more if only Rush weren't so liberal sometimes.

When my father was younger he was a tournament angler and he even won some regional competitions. My dad still fishes (for smallmouth bass mostly) multiple times per week in the spring and summer. It is his sanctuary and where he feels most at ease. Going fishing with my dad is truly a sight to behold. He can tell you exactly where to cast your line and almost every time, BOOM, you will catch a fish. It's like a science to him and he knows the Western Pennsylvania waterways like the back of his hand. Honestly, it's impressive stuff. My dad, who grew up in one of the poorest sections of Pittsburgh, ultimately put himself through college and that's probably the origin if how he - and later I - became a Pitt fan.

That said, I absolutely HATE fishing and I can't remember the last time I golfed. Neither sport was for me. Though I respect both, I lack the patience for each. I even know a lot about each because they were/are such passions for people I loved. Still, I just never developed a real strong interest in either sport. Also, I am an Independent politically who dislikes and distrusts both major political parties.

However, I loved my Pap with all my heart and feel the same way about my old man. It's all good.
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(04-02-2014 12:31 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  For those interested, here are some cool links to Pitt's athletic facilities and how they fit into Pitt's campus.

Paco's Pitt page

Please use the link to that post on this site or Scout.

Rivals compresses the images and makes them all distorted, plus it is locked so I can't update it regularly if links break.
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Just came back from a trip to Columbia, SC... didn't realize it but Williams Brice Stadium is off campus, too (I've never been to a game there). There IS plenty of parking since it is right next to the State Fairgrounds, but definitely not walking distance for the students.
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(04-02-2014 07:42 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Just came back from a trip to Columbia, SC... didn't realize it but Williams Brice Stadium is off campus, too (I've never been to a game there). There IS plenty of parking since it is right next to the State Fairgrounds, but definitely not walking distance for the students.

Baylor had a similar situation but they are opening a new oncampus stadium this Fall.

USF is like Pitt's situation but no where as beneficial. RayJay is about 8 miles away.
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(04-02-2014 06:48 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 08:02 PM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 07:00 PM)frenchbeef Wrote:  I was not aware that Louisville plays off campus so that is something I'll look more into.

It all depends on how you define "off campus". For example, when I see the term "off campus", it is usually used to describe facilities that are several miles (or a long travel distance) away from the campus community.

Here is a map of Louisville's campus. See the big triangle area just south of all the buildings? That area was recently purchased by UofL and the university is in the process of developing the land. Floyd street by the stadium is a mixture of parking, new athletic structures (soccer, lacrosse), and older businesses. UofL's stadium certainly isn't in the heart of campus, but I don't know that "off campus" in the traditional sense is a realistic description either. I would say our stadium is probably somewhere between the two type (maybe adjacent would work)

We used to play football in the Old Cardinal Stadium that was located at the Kentucky State Fair Grounds in Louisville, which was a few miles from campus.

We now play football at Papa John's Cardinal Stadium, which located beside the Louisville Campus. You literal walk across the end of the Campus line and Stadium is literally beside it. This was done to sell beer. Kentucky has a State law banning the sell of alcohol on State property. The state owns the Louisville campus.

I hope this clears it up for you. I would count Papa Joh's as an on campus stadium.

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I've never heard of a law banning the sale of beer on Kentucky state property. The state owns the state fairgrounds, and beer vendors are thicker than flies during events there, including the KY state fair.
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(04-01-2014 11:44 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Miami never played on campus. The OB could never be considered an on-campus stadium by any definition of the word. Sun Life Stadium isn't even in Miami though. It's substantially farther away.

UM isn't even in Miami proper.

Per Wikipedia, Miami played at Tropical Park and Moore Park before moving to Burdine Stadium in 1937 (renamed to the Orange Bowl in 1959). Interesting only in the fact that Tropical Park is one of the most talked about places for a new stadium amongst their fans (mainly because there's nowhere else with the space nearby).
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When FSU re-started football in 1947 it played about a mile off-campus for the first 3 seasons at Centennial Field which was a minor league baseball stadium downtown. In 1950 Doak Campbell Stadium opened and that's where FSU's played ever since.
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(04-02-2014 07:42 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Just came back from a trip to Columbia, SC...

I am extremely sorry.

Quote:didn't realize it but Williams Brice Stadium is off campus, too (I've never been to a game there). There IS plenty of parking since it is right next to the State Fairgrounds, but definitely not walking distance for the students.

There is also plenty of parking because most of the nearby industrial facilities and heavy equipment repair shops shut down on gameday so their parking lots are empty. Nothing says proper tailgating like getting heat stroke while tailgating in a parking lot in early September.
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(04-02-2014 10:32 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 11:44 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Miami never played on campus. The OB could never be considered an on-campus stadium by any definition of the word. Sun Life Stadium isn't even in Miami though. It's substantially farther away.

UM isn't even in Miami proper.

Per Wikipedia, Miami played at Tropical Park and Moore Park before moving to Burdine Stadium in 1937 (renamed to the Orange Bowl in 1959). Interesting only in the fact that Tropical Park is one of the most talked about places for a new stadium amongst their fans (mainly because there's nowhere else with the space nearby).

No, UM isn't in the City of Miami (which is very small), but the OB was only six miles away in Miami proper, and it was in walking distance of UM's med campus which was a reasonably quick ride on the metro line from Gables. Now they're playing over 20 miles of bad traffic from the Gables campus. Tropical Park is about the only place they could put another stadium, about 5-6 miles from campus but not really along the metro line, and they'd essentially be upgrading an exiting sports complex there. It's something they may need to get serious about in the future, but that has many hurdles in and of itself. There just aren't any good realistic options.
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(04-01-2014 03:56 PM)frenchbeef Wrote:  I'm working on a project for my sports economics class to determine if, all else equal, having an on campus stadium affects win percentage in Division 1 college football. Here's what I need from you guys.

Let me know if:
  • Your team has played at an off campus facility and moved to an on campus facility
  • Your team has played at an on campus facility and moved to an off campus facility
  • Your team has always played at an on campus facility
  • Your team has always played at an off campus facility

***Provide years, so I'll be able to put together statistics for win percentage.

For instance, UAB has played at an off campus facility (Legion Field) since its football program's inception in 1991. They have been competing in Division 1 since 1996.

Lastly, let me know what you think. How much do you think having an on campus/off campus facility affects win percentage?

Duke has always played on campus, as far as I know. Wally Wade Stadium is an easy drunken high-heeled coed walk from any of the West Campus dorms, and a quick bus ride from the Central, North or East campus dorms. (You could probably walk from North or parts of Central too, but I wouldn't want to walk from East).
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Notre Dame played at Cartier Field on campus from 1889 until 1929.



http://www.irishlegends.com/Pages/reflec...ons17.html

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http://stadium.nd.edu/history/


Since 1930, ND has played on campus at "The House that Rockne Built", Notre Dame Stadium.


Here is an early aerial photo of ND Stadium with the remains of Cartier Field next to it:

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http://www.und.com/facilities/nd-stadium-history.html


http://www.und.com/facilities/notre-dame-stadium.html


Here is how Notre Dame Stadium looked from 1930 until the 1997 renovations:


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Here is the current configuration of Notre Dame Stadium before the $450 million dollar renovation/addition project begins in a year or so:


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Here is how it is supposed to look after the proposed renovations:

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(04-02-2014 11:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-02-2014 07:42 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Just came back from a trip to Columbia, SC...

I am extremely sorry.

Quote:didn't realize it but Williams Brice Stadium is off campus, too (I've never been to a game there). There IS plenty of parking since it is right next to the State Fairgrounds, but definitely not walking distance for the students.

There is also plenty of parking because most of the nearby industrial facilities and heavy equipment repair shops shut down on gameday so their parking lots are empty. Nothing says proper tailgating like getting heat stroke while tailgating in a parking lot in early September.

My impression of Williams Brice:
* The stadium itself is a nice-looking building
* It is located in one of the ugliest settings I've ever seen for a college football stadium
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(04-03-2014 07:34 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-02-2014 11:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-02-2014 07:42 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Just came back from a trip to Columbia, SC...

I am extremely sorry.

Quote:didn't realize it but Williams Brice Stadium is off campus, too (I've never been to a game there). There IS plenty of parking since it is right next to the State Fairgrounds, but definitely not walking distance for the students.

There is also plenty of parking because most of the nearby industrial facilities and heavy equipment repair shops shut down on gameday so their parking lots are empty. Nothing says proper tailgating like getting heat stroke while tailgating in a parking lot in early September.

My impression of Williams Brice:
* The stadium itself is a nice-looking building
* It is located in one of the ugliest settings I've ever seen for a college football stadium

Columbia itself is an ugly city. Riverbanks Zoo is the city's only redeeming quality. General Sherman's troops need to make a return trip so that they can start over.
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(04-02-2014 11:17 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(04-02-2014 10:32 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 11:44 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Miami never played on campus. The OB could never be considered an on-campus stadium by any definition of the word. Sun Life Stadium isn't even in Miami though. It's substantially farther away.

UM isn't even in Miami proper.

Per Wikipedia, Miami played at Tropical Park and Moore Park before moving to Burdine Stadium in 1937 (renamed to the Orange Bowl in 1959). Interesting only in the fact that Tropical Park is one of the most talked about places for a new stadium amongst their fans (mainly because there's nowhere else with the space nearby).

No, UM isn't in the City of Miami (which is very small), but the OB was only six miles away in Miami proper, and it was in walking distance of UM's med campus which was a reasonably quick ride on the metro line from Gables. Now they're playing over 20 miles of bad traffic from the Gables campus. Tropical Park is about the only place they could put another stadium, about 5-6 miles from campus but not really along the metro line, and they'd essentially be upgrading an exiting sports complex there. It's something they may need to get serious about in the future, but that has many hurdles in and of itself. There just aren't any good realistic options.

My point was that UM is in an incorporated city and that city isn't Miami. I think most on here might know that, but it's an interesting fact that the OP could use if they wish.

For the most part there is no rail in Miami. Sure, it has one line that sort of runs north/south, but EVERYBODY lives west of downtown and that's where 50,000 student FIU is located as well. Granted, there is now a little link out towards the airport which is west of the original line. Miami doesn't want to spend money on the rail because nobody rides it. And nobody rides it because it doesn't move people from the huge population areas of the west into downtown. But the only way to do that is to spend money. Idiots run Miami. Well, idiots and crooks.
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(04-03-2014 07:49 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Idiots run Miami. Well, idiots and crooks.

Boy you nailed that one correctly.

They need a Western spine badly...and really, they need something that goes over to the beach as well. But getting from Gables to the OB was fairly simple. I was actually at the med center, so I'd just park in my spot and walk to the OB.
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(04-02-2014 03:10 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I had two outstanding male role models growing up: my father and my maternal grandfather. They couldn't have been more different personality-wise or in their interests but they were/are both good men and they both treated me exceptionally well growing up. Many of the people in my family tell me that my personality is a good mixture of my Pap's and my father's. I can't speak to that but I do I aspire to be as kind and generous and patient with my little boy as they were with me.

My grandfather grew up on a golf course before that's where rich families lived. He really loved the game and golfed as often as he could all the way up until his death at age 86. He was just a happy-go-lucky diminutive little Irishman. And like every other Irishman of his generation, after the service, he ultimately became a police officer. Also, true to form, he was a Notre Dame fan who sent three of his children to South Bend (my aunt went to St. Mary's). My Pap was active in the FOP for years and was always a big supporter of unions and the Democratic Party.

Fortunately, my father is still alive and well. He's a big, strong guy who is just so, so cynical and has a very dry sense of humor. He can cut you off at the knees with a single phrase and it will leave a mark. He's an Obama-hating conservative who would like Rush Limbaugh more if only Rush weren't so liberal sometimes.

When my father was younger he was a tournament angler and he even won some regional competitions. My dad still fishes (for smallmouth bass mostly) multiple times per week in the spring and summer. It is his sanctuary and where he feels most at ease. Going fishing with my dad is truly a sight to behold. He can tell you exactly where to cast your line and almost every time, BOOM, you will catch a fish. It's like a science to him and he knows the Western Pennsylvania waterways like the back of his hand. Honestly, it's impressive stuff. My dad, who grew up in one of the poorest sections of Pittsburgh, ultimately put himself through college and that's probably the origin if how he - and later I - became a Pitt fan.

That said, I absolutely HATE fishing and I can't remember the last time I golfed. Neither sport was for me. Though I respect both, I lack the patience for each. I even know a lot about each because they were/are such passions for people I loved. Still, I just never developed a real strong interest in either sport. Also, I am an Independent politically who dislikes and distrusts both major political parties.

However, I loved my Pap with all my heart and feel the same way about my old man. It's all good.

Your grandfather and my grandfather and my Dad would have found a lot in common with each other.
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Of course, there is this recent news linked below about them talking to David Beckam's group about sharing an MLS Stadium. Current plans are only for a 25K stadium though.

This would be a godsend for UMiami if it came to fruition, but I find it pretty doubtful that they'd upgrade the size to be large enough.

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/caneswatc...-upgrades/

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Miami's lowest attendance in 2013 was 42,571 (Savannah State).
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