I don't follow this thread at all. Your assumptions all seem whacked.

Inviting UMass to the AAC would be like inviting an FCS school into a BCS conference. The football team would be a total failure and would never be able to compete.

"Flagship" universities are often misidentified as being the largest and oldest university in the state but that is not correct, as is the case with UMass. A flagship university must be a land grant university, therefor universities founded before the Morrill Act of 1862 are ineligible for this title. UMass- Amherst was founded in 1863. Although UMass is one of the largest universities in the state it is not the largest. Other, larger schools such as Boston U are private schools and thus cannot receive land grants and therefore cannot be considered a "flagship".

So yes, technically UMass is a flagship university. Technically. So how does that win your conference more football games?

Being a 'flagship' university has nothing to do with being a land grant university.

(04-01-2014 08:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  "Flagship" universities are often misidentified as being the largest and oldest university in the state but that is not correct, as is the case with UMass. A flagship university must be a land grant university, therefor universities founded before the Morrill Act of 1862 are ineligible for this title. UMass- Amherst was founded in 1863. Although UMass is one of the largest universities in the state it is not the largest. Other, larger schools such as Boston U are private schools and thus cannot receive land grants and therefore cannot be considered a "flagship".

So yes, technically UMass is a flagship university. Technically. So how does that win your conference more football games?

(04-01-2014 08:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  "Flagship" universities are often misidentified as being the largest and oldest university in the state but that is not correct, as is the case with UMass. A flagship university must be a land grant university, therefor universities founded before the Morrill Act of 1862 are ineligible for this title. UMass- Amherst was founded in 1863. Although UMass is one of the largest universities in the state it is not the largest. Other, larger schools such as Boston U are private schools and thus cannot receive land grants and therefore cannot be considered a "flagship".

So yes, technically UMass is a flagship university. Technically. So how does that win your conference more football games?

Is this guy being serious? I can't tell.

Let's hope not.

Why take UMass when the American can play in an empty stadium in Atlanta with Georgia State or an empty stadium in Birmingham with UAB? So many opportunities to play all alone with no fans to interrupt the game. It will be like golf but with football.

(04-01-2014 08:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  "Flagship" universities are often misidentified as being the largest and oldest university in the state but that is not correct, as is the case with UMass. A flagship university must be a land grant university, therefor universities founded before the Morrill Act of 1862 are ineligible for this title. UMass- Amherst was founded in 1863. Although UMass is one of the largest universities in the state it is not the largest. Other, larger schools such as Boston U are private schools and thus cannot receive land grants and therefore cannot be considered a "flagship".

So yes, technically UMass is a flagship university. Technically. So how does that win your conference more football games?

Flagship is the one considered the premier university. Land grant is not necessary. And you are incorrect about UMass. It is a land grant university. So is Georgia and it was founded in 1785.

UMass is the flagship in every sense of the word.

Now flagship may not carry as much weight in Massachusetts as it does in Georgia or Illinois, but UMass is definitely a flagship. It is also AAU and highly rated on all the academic lists.

(04-01-2014 08:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  "Flagship" universities are often misidentified as being the largest and oldest university in the state but that is not correct, as is the case with UMass. A flagship university must be a land grant university, therefor universities founded before the Morrill Act of 1862 are ineligible for this title. UMass- Amherst was founded in 1863. Although UMass is one of the largest universities in the state it is not the largest. Other, larger schools such as Boston U are private schools and thus cannot receive land grants and therefore cannot be considered a "flagship".

So yes, technically UMass is a flagship university. Technically. So how does that win your conference more football games?

UMass was formed from the Morrill Act

(04-01-2014 09:15 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 08:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  "Flagship" universities are often misidentified as being the largest and oldest university in the state but that is not correct, as is the case with UMass. A flagship university must be a land grant university, therefor universities founded before the Morrill Act of 1862 are ineligible for this title. UMass- Amherst was founded in 1863. Although UMass is one of the largest universities in the state it is not the largest. Other, larger schools such as Boston U are private schools and thus cannot receive land grants and therefore cannot be considered a "flagship".

So yes, technically UMass is a flagship university. Technically. So how does that win your conference more football games?

UMass was formed from the Morrill Act

correct. that's why I noted the founding date relative to the Morrill Act.

(04-01-2014 09:57 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 09:15 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 08:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  "Flagship" universities are often misidentified as being the largest and oldest university in the state but that is not correct, as is the case with UMass. A flagship university must be a land grant university, therefor universities founded before the Morrill Act of 1862 are ineligible for this title. UMass- Amherst was founded in 1863. Although UMass is one of the largest universities in the state it is not the largest. Other, larger schools such as Boston U are private schools and thus cannot receive land grants and therefore cannot be considered a "flagship".

So yes, technically UMass is a flagship university. Technically. So how does that win your conference more football games?

UMass was formed from the Morrill Act

correct. that's why I noted the founding date relative to the Morrill Act.

you do realize that your post was entirely wrong though right?

(04-01-2014 09:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 08:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  "Flagship" universities are often misidentified as being the largest and oldest university in the state but that is not correct, as is the case with UMass. A flagship university must be a land grant university, therefor universities founded before the Morrill Act of 1862 are ineligible for this title. UMass- Amherst was founded in 1863. Although UMass is one of the largest universities in the state it is not the largest. Other, larger schools such as Boston U are private schools and thus cannot receive land grants and therefore cannot be considered a "flagship".

So yes, technically UMass is a flagship university. Technically. So how does that win your conference more football games?

Flagship is the one considered the premier university. Land grant is not necessary. And you are incorrect about UMass. It is a land grant university. So is Georgia and it was founded in 1785.

UMass is the flagship in every sense of the word.

Now flagship may not carry as much weight in Massachusetts as it does in Georgia or Illinois, but UMass is definitely a flagship. It is also AAU and highly rated on all the academic lists.

I never said UMass wasn't a land grant university. Georgia was not founded as a land grant institution. UMass is a flagship in every sense of the word depending on how you define flagship, which is the opposite of being in every sense of the word. UMass is NOT AAU.

(04-01-2014 10:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 09:57 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 09:15 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 08:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  "Flagship" universities are often misidentified as being the largest and oldest university in the state but that is not correct, as is the case with UMass. A flagship university must be a land grant university, therefor universities founded before the Morrill Act of 1862 are ineligible for this title. UMass- Amherst was founded in 1863. Although UMass is one of the largest universities in the state it is not the largest. Other, larger schools such as Boston U are private schools and thus cannot receive land grants and therefore cannot be considered a "flagship".

So yes, technically UMass is a flagship university. Technically. So how does that win your conference more football games?

UMass was formed from the Morrill Act

correct. that's why I noted the founding date relative to the Morrill Act.

you do realize that your post was entirely wrong though right?

only wrong in the sense that everything I said was factually correct.

(04-01-2014 08:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Being a 'flagship' university has nothing to do with being a land grant university.

its has everything to with it. Name 2 flagship universities that are not also land grand universities.

(04-01-2014 10:07 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 10:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 09:57 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 09:15 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 08:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  "Flagship" universities are often misidentified as being the largest and oldest university in the state but that is not correct, as is the case with UMass. A flagship university must be a land grant university, therefor universities founded before the Morrill Act of 1862 are ineligible for this title. UMass- Amherst was founded in 1863. Although UMass is one of the largest universities in the state it is not the largest. Other, larger schools such as Boston U are private schools and thus cannot receive land grants and therefore cannot be considered a "flagship".

So yes, technically UMass is a flagship university. Technically. So how does that win your conference more football games?

UMass was formed from the Morrill Act

correct. that's why I noted the founding date relative to the Morrill Act.

you do realize that your post was entirely wrong though right?

only wrong in the sense that everything I said was factually correct.

that line doesn't even make sense just like your previous post. No one thinks flagship means largest & oldest school in said state. what a flagship is is a designation meaning that school is the the premier school in its system.

(04-01-2014 10:08 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 08:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Being a 'flagship' university has nothing to do with being a land grant university.

its has everything to with it. Name 2 flagship universities that are not also land grand universities.

The following are not land grant universities (the designated land grant university in the state is in parenthesis):
University of Colorado (Colorado State)
Indiana University (Purdue)
University of Iowa (Iowa State)
University of Kansas (Kansas State)
University of Michigan (Michigan State)
University of Mississippi (Mississippi State)
University of New Mexico (New Mexico State)
University of North Carolina (NC State)
University of Oklahoma (Oklahoma State)
University of Oregon (Oregon State)
University of South Carolina (Clemson)
University of Texas (Texas A&M)
University of Utah (Utah State)
University of Virginia (Virginia Tech)
University of Washington (Washington State)

(04-01-2014 10:08 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 08:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Being a 'flagship' university has nothing to do with being a land grant university.

its has everything to with it. Name 2 flagship universities that are not also land grand universities.

it has to do with systems. only public schools belong to major systems.

university of colorado boulder is the flagship meaning it is the premier school of the university of colorado which includes other schools in the state.

(04-01-2014 10:08 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 08:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Being a 'flagship' university has nothing to do with being a land grant university.

its has everything to with it. Name 2 flagship universities that are not also land grand universities.

Colorado and Alabama. Need more?

(04-01-2014 10:15 PM)prp Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 10:08 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 08:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Being a 'flagship' university has nothing to do with being a land grant university.

its has everything to with it. Name 2 flagship universities that are not also land grand universities.

The following are not land grant universities (the designated land grant university in the state is in parenthesis):
University of Colorado (Colorado State)
Indiana University (Purdue)
University of Iowa (Iowa State)
University of Kansas (Kansas State)
University of Michigan (Michigan State)
University of Mississippi (Mississippi State)
University of New Mexico (New Mexico State)
University of North Carolina (NC State)
University of Oklahoma (Oklahoma State)
University of Oregon (Oregon State)
University of South Carolina (Clemson)
University of Texas (Texas A&M)
University of Utah (Utah State)
University of Virginia (Virginia Tech)
University of Washington (Washington State)

Much better answer than mine.

Flagship has nothing to do with land grant status.