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Are you folks worried?
With Martin as a "hot commodity" right now, seems like Byrd's name has yet again surfaced on the UT board. Are you guys/gals at all worried that Byrd will want to wrap-up his career at his Alma-mater, or will he stay at your school and keep golfing with Vince Gill? Here's the UT thread: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=7&f=1372&t=12787098
04-01-2014 01:36 AM
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I would be a little surprise if he left for a big school. I think he likes his situation here. He has two signees that are solid recruits. One is a top 100 player so he can continue his nice run at Belmont. But, anything can happen.

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(04-01-2014 01:36 AM)BucSinceTheSixties Wrote:  With Martin as a "hot commodity" right now, seems like Byrd's name has yet again surfaced on the UT board. Are you guys/gals at all worried that Byrd will want to wrap-up his career at his Alma-mater, or will he stay at your school and keep golfing with Vince Gill? Here's the UT thread: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=7&f=1372&t=12787098

I am not worried. There isn't a big, BCS school out there that wouldn't be HIGHLY concerned about Rick's recruiting. He will not go out and recruit the top 50 kids. He won't want to do what it takes to recruit them, and they wouldn't take to his message anyway. The initial fan reaction to Rick Byrd and any large program would be, "this recruiting is lackluster."

Also, most programs would feel his is too old. An older coach with an extremely high profile can work. An older coach from a small program won't.
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(04-03-2014 10:04 AM)Northside Bruin Wrote:  I am not worried.
The point is pretty moot now since it appears UT has secured Martin's stay: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...l/7181731/


But, just for conversation's sake, why wouldn't you be worried? UT thought highly enough about Byrd to have an on-UT-campus interview with him in 2011:

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2011/mar/...rested-ut/

If Cuonzo would have left, do you think UT officials would view Rick Byrd as being a worse coach and less desirable candidate than he was just three short years ago? Do you think he's right now considered to be a worse potential UT coach among his fellow UT graduates (and Vol fans in general) then he was in 2011? Is it possible that a Knoxville-raised, UT graduate, and Ray Mears protege who has proven he can win on the highest of the D-1 level (see North Carolina) is incapable of successfully leading an SEC team? What has happened in the past three years that Byrd wouldn't want to interview (again) for the head coach job at his Alma-mater in his home town?

With regards to recruiting, are the shooting abilities of guys like Justin Hare, Ian Clark, and JJ Mann too inadequate to play at any higher level than the mid-major level? (I think the NBA's Utah Jazz has already answered that question). I don't know if you guys remember this or not, but when ETSU first entered the A-Sun, Belmont had a big 6'10" post player who transferred from UT to Belmont (Boomer Hernden). If Byrd can attract players like that FROM UT, is it not possible for him to attract them TO UT as well?
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(04-03-2014 11:35 PM)BucSinceTheSixties Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 10:04 AM)Northside Bruin Wrote:  I am not worried.
The point is pretty moot now since it appears UT has secured Martin's stay: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...l/7181731/


But, just for conversation's sake, why wouldn't you be worried? UT thought highly enough about Byrd to have an on-UT-campus interview with him in 2011:

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2011/mar/...rested-ut/

If Cuonzo would have left, do you think UT officials would view Rick Byrd as being a worse coach and less desirable candidate than he was just three short years ago? Do you think he's right now considered to be a worse potential UT coach among his fellow UT graduates (and Vol fans in general) then he was in 2011? Is it possible that a Knoxville-raised, UT graduate, and Ray Mears protege who has proven he can win on the highest of the D-1 level (see North Carolina) is incapable of successfully leading an SEC team? What has happened in the past three years that Byrd wouldn't want to interview (again) for the head coach job at his Alma-mater in his home town?

With regards to recruiting, are the shooting abilities of guys like Justin Hare, Ian Clark, and JJ Mann too inadequate to play at any higher level than the mid-major level? (I think the NBA's Utah Jazz has already answered that question). I don't know if you guys remember this or not, but when ETSU first entered the A-Sun, Belmont had a big 6'10" post player who transferred from UT to Belmont (Boomer Hernden). If Byrd can attract players like that FROM UT, is it not possible for him to attract them TO UT as well?

Oh, I think it is possible that Byrd would be considered and I think he could be successful on a higher level. However, I think that the AD needed to have a slam dunk hire if Martin left and Pearl was out of the picture. There is a divide with the Vol fans that I know on their opinion of Byrd's potential success on the high D1 level.

Also, one difference from 3 years ago is that Byrd is 3 years closer to retirement. I have heard Byrd mention that one reason he doesn't consider many higher level positions is that he would not be able to recruit the kinds of kids he likes to coach. Just last year he talked about continuing to recruit the kinds of players that got the program to where it is now.

He is getting much better players, but they are still in the mold of players he prefers. Ian Clark was amazing, but Byrd nabbed him as Clark hid under the Memphis HS radar of more big name players and he knew it. When he signed Clark, his first comments were that Clark would take the program to another level. He just signed Mack Mercer who is a 3 star (Clark was a 2 star) 6-9 post player that is quite athletic. So yes, Byrd can recruit high quality players, but does he really want to go for the kinds of players that he feels he needs to be successful at UT this close to his retirement? It's a good question.

I think a few years ago, Buccaneerlover mentioned on your board that he didn't think Byrd would be successful at UT. I wonder what his thoughts are on this.
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(04-04-2014 06:51 AM)Bruin2002 Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 11:35 PM)BucSinceTheSixties Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 10:04 AM)Northside Bruin Wrote:  I am not worried.
The point is pretty moot now since it appears UT has secured Martin's stay: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...l/7181731/


But, just for conversation's sake, why wouldn't you be worried? UT thought highly enough about Byrd to have an on-UT-campus interview with him in 2011:

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2011/mar/...rested-ut/

If Cuonzo would have left, do you think UT officials would view Rick Byrd as being a worse coach and less desirable candidate than he was just three short years ago? Do you think he's right now considered to be a worse potential UT coach among his fellow UT graduates (and Vol fans in general) then he was in 2011? Is it possible that a Knoxville-raised, UT graduate, and Ray Mears protege who has proven he can win on the highest of the D-1 level (see North Carolina) is incapable of successfully leading an SEC team? What has happened in the past three years that Byrd wouldn't want to interview (again) for the head coach job at his Alma-mater in his home town?

With regards to recruiting, are the shooting abilities of guys like Justin Hare, Ian Clark, and JJ Mann too inadequate to play at any higher level than the mid-major level? (I think the NBA's Utah Jazz has already answered that question). I don't know if you guys remember this or not, but when ETSU first entered the A-Sun, Belmont had a big 6'10" post player who transferred from UT to Belmont (Boomer Hernden). If Byrd can attract players like that FROM UT, is it not possible for him to attract them TO UT as well?

Oh, I think it is possible that Byrd would be considered and I think he could be successful on a higher level. However, I think that the AD needed to have a slam dunk hire if Martin left and Pearl was out of the picture. There is a divide with the Vol fans that I know on their opinion of Byrd's potential success on the high D1 level.

Also, one difference from 3 years ago is that Byrd is 3 years closer to retirement. I have heard Byrd mention that one reason he doesn't consider many higher level positions is that he would not be able to recruit the kinds of kids he likes to coach. Just last year he talked about continuing to recruit the kinds of players that got the program to where it is now.

He is getting much better players, but they are still in the mold of players he prefers. Ian Clark was amazing, but Byrd nabbed him as Clark hid under the Memphis HS radar of more big name players and he knew it. When he signed Clark, his first comments were that Clark would take the program to another level. He just signed Mack Mercer who is a 3 star (Clark was a 2 star) 6-9 post player that is quite athletic. So yes, Byrd can recruit high quality players, but does he really want to go for the kinds of players that he feels he needs to be successful at UT this close to his retirement? It's a good question.

I think a few years ago, Buccaneerlover mentioned on your board that he didn't think Byrd would be successful at UT. I wonder what his thoughts are on this.

Look at this and tell me you're still not worried: http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2014/apr/...p-in-hunt/

(I'm worried for you!)
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(04-15-2014 09:54 PM)BucSinceTheSixties Wrote:  
(04-04-2014 06:51 AM)Bruin2002 Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 11:35 PM)BucSinceTheSixties Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 10:04 AM)Northside Bruin Wrote:  I am not worried.
The point is pretty moot now since it appears UT has secured Martin's stay: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...l/7181731/


But, just for conversation's sake, why wouldn't you be worried? UT thought highly enough about Byrd to have an on-UT-campus interview with him in 2011:

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2011/mar/...rested-ut/

If Cuonzo would have left, do you think UT officials would view Rick Byrd as being a worse coach and less desirable candidate than he was just three short years ago? Do you think he's right now considered to be a worse potential UT coach among his fellow UT graduates (and Vol fans in general) then he was in 2011? Is it possible that a Knoxville-raised, UT graduate, and Ray Mears protege who has proven he can win on the highest of the D-1 level (see North Carolina) is incapable of successfully leading an SEC team? What has happened in the past three years that Byrd wouldn't want to interview (again) for the head coach job at his Alma-mater in his home town?

With regards to recruiting, are the shooting abilities of guys like Justin Hare, Ian Clark, and JJ Mann too inadequate to play at any higher level than the mid-major level? (I think the NBA's Utah Jazz has already answered that question). I don't know if you guys remember this or not, but when ETSU first entered the A-Sun, Belmont had a big 6'10" post player who transferred from UT to Belmont (Boomer Hernden). If Byrd can attract players like that FROM UT, is it not possible for him to attract them TO UT as well?

Oh, I think it is possible that Byrd would be considered and I think he could be successful on a higher level. However, I think that the AD needed to have a slam dunk hire if Martin left and Pearl was out of the picture. There is a divide with the Vol fans that I know on their opinion of Byrd's potential success on the high D1 level.

Also, one difference from 3 years ago is that Byrd is 3 years closer to retirement. I have heard Byrd mention that one reason he doesn't consider many higher level positions is that he would not be able to recruit the kinds of kids he likes to coach. Just last year he talked about continuing to recruit the kinds of players that got the program to where it is now.

He is getting much better players, but they are still in the mold of players he prefers. Ian Clark was amazing, but Byrd nabbed him as Clark hid under the Memphis HS radar of more big name players and he knew it. When he signed Clark, his first comments were that Clark would take the program to another level. He just signed Mack Mercer who is a 3 star (Clark was a 2 star) 6-9 post player that is quite athletic. So yes, Byrd can recruit high quality players, but does he really want to go for the kinds of players that he feels he needs to be successful at UT this close to his retirement? It's a good question.

I think a few years ago, Buccaneerlover mentioned on your board that he didn't think Byrd would be successful at UT. I wonder what his thoughts are on this.

Look at this and tell me you're still not worried: http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2014/apr/...p-in-hunt/

(I'm worried for you!)

I am not particularly worried as the UT job is not all that attractive. A fanbase with unrealistic expectations coupled with an athletic department in shambles I believe would keep Byrd away.
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(04-15-2014 09:54 PM)BucSinceTheSixties Wrote:  
(04-04-2014 06:51 AM)Bruin2002 Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 11:35 PM)BucSinceTheSixties Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 10:04 AM)Northside Bruin Wrote:  I am not worried.
The point is pretty moot now since it appears UT has secured Martin's stay: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...l/7181731/


But, just for conversation's sake, why wouldn't you be worried? UT thought highly enough about Byrd to have an on-UT-campus interview with him in 2011:

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2011/mar/...rested-ut/

If Cuonzo would have left, do you think UT officials would view Rick Byrd as being a worse coach and less desirable candidate than he was just three short years ago? Do you think he's right now considered to be a worse potential UT coach among his fellow UT graduates (and Vol fans in general) then he was in 2011? Is it possible that a Knoxville-raised, UT graduate, and Ray Mears protege who has proven he can win on the highest of the D-1 level (see North Carolina) is incapable of successfully leading an SEC team? What has happened in the past three years that Byrd wouldn't want to interview (again) for the head coach job at his Alma-mater in his home town?

With regards to recruiting, are the shooting abilities of guys like Justin Hare, Ian Clark, and JJ Mann too inadequate to play at any higher level than the mid-major level? (I think the NBA's Utah Jazz has already answered that question). I don't know if you guys remember this or not, but when ETSU first entered the A-Sun, Belmont had a big 6'10" post player who transferred from UT to Belmont (Boomer Hernden). If Byrd can attract players like that FROM UT, is it not possible for him to attract them TO UT as well?

Oh, I think it is possible that Byrd would be considered and I think he could be successful on a higher level. However, I think that the AD needed to have a slam dunk hire if Martin left and Pearl was out of the picture. There is a divide with the Vol fans that I know on their opinion of Byrd's potential success on the high D1 level.

Also, one difference from 3 years ago is that Byrd is 3 years closer to retirement. I have heard Byrd mention that one reason he doesn't consider many higher level positions is that he would not be able to recruit the kinds of kids he likes to coach. Just last year he talked about continuing to recruit the kinds of players that got the program to where it is now.

He is getting much better players, but they are still in the mold of players he prefers. Ian Clark was amazing, but Byrd nabbed him as Clark hid under the Memphis HS radar of more big name players and he knew it. When he signed Clark, his first comments were that Clark would take the program to another level. He just signed Mack Mercer who is a 3 star (Clark was a 2 star) 6-9 post player that is quite athletic. So yes, Byrd can recruit high quality players, but does he really want to go for the kinds of players that he feels he needs to be successful at UT this close to his retirement? It's a good question.

I think a few years ago, Buccaneerlover mentioned on your board that he didn't think Byrd would be successful at UT. I wonder what his thoughts are on this.

Look at this and tell me you're still not worried: http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2014/apr/...p-in-hunt/

(I'm worried for you!)

Frankly, I am not worried at all. Maybe I will regret that (though I rarely regret the lack of worry). If the fanbase desperately wants a guy like Bruce Pearl, then Rick Byrd doesn't fit that bill. Obviously it depends upon what the AD wants, but I still don't see it. The things that may make it happen are that he is an alum and "one of them". However, Rick is on the backside of his career. He isn't going to make recruiting waves as he is a "system" coach. Lastly, if they thought Martin was dull, they aren't going to think Byrd is a house of fire. Needless to say, he won't be parading around a women's game with his chest painted orange.

The time for Rick and UT has come and gone in my opinion. My guess is that they go after Gregg Marshall for the 3rd time.
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I am not too worried either. I believe Rick is happy at Belmont and his home is no longer in Knoxville, its in Nashville where he built the Belmont program from ground up and will likely retire. Although he is one of the best Xs and Os coach in all of basketball and would make UT's mens basketball program better, he does not have any big recruits lined up and would not recruit the type of players that UT and UT Fans want. I have said it before, Rick will not compromise character just for the sake of athleticism. He likes well behaved, coachable players and players that have a team first attitude. While I'm not saying the Vols lack these type of players, when it comes to recruiting Rick would bring a different philosophy than what Tennessee is used to.
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Fox Sports is putting Byrd as the #8 candidate, right in front of Donnie Tyndall, Ben Howland, and Jon Gruden.

8. Rick Byrd, Belmont

Yes, he's old, but the guy's a UT alum and he's an unquestioned master of coaching strategy. The big question would be this -- could he recruit well enough to win in the SEC? I think he could.

I'd make him the floor here, you know he'd take the job and I think he'd do well with it too.


Here's the article: http://msn.foxsports.com/college-footbal...e-vols.php


From what I know about Byrd and from reading all of your postings, it's easy to see why he'd be an attractive candidate:

1. X's & O's
2. UT Alum
3. Track Record
4. Integrity
5. Knox-native
6. Ray Mears protege

I'd find it hard to believe that recruiting would be an issue. The MAJOR strike I see that UT could hold against Byrd would be that he's been to the NCAA's six or seven times (?), and has yet to win a single game.

Here's the thing, Belmonters: You all seem to think he's all happy and cozy at Belmont (which, no doubt, he DEFINITELY appears to be). And, a few of you seem to think he's too old, too close to retirement, etc. to want to leave Nashville. However, I would say that's EXACTLY a good reason that he'd consider taking the UT gig, providing the situation was right. Meaning, a multi-year deal of about $1-2 million a year would sure be a nice sum to get right before retirement. I'm sure Belmont's a rich school and all, for sure more money bouncing around there than at ETSU; but, I'd be willing to bet you guys don't pay him a yearly lottery jackpot like UT could. BTW, does he own an orange sweater vest?
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