So ... I went to Wally World just about an hour ago ... an appropriately late hour to avoid the traffic of humanity but not so late that it turns into the House of Funny Walks. What can I say ... Wally World is nearly the only place that carries my beloved Atkins scrambles/meals, and they carry them at a good price. It helps me behave as I cannot STAND cooking three meals a day, and virtually nothing is preparation free on Atkins.

Anyway.........

As I went back to the corner where they keep the bars and shakes, there was a manager fishing out stuff from under the shelves. In front of him was a high school looking kid. The manager fished a bunch of crap from under the shelves, and then told the kid to do that for all the shelves, clean to the walls, from there to the garden section. The kid laughed and idly paced a bit. The manager, admittedly a bit of a jerk, said:

"Was something I said funny?"
--- "For $8 an hour?"
"Yes."
--- "Pssssssshhhhhhh"
"Go home."


Apparently this is no BS task, as the cashier I talked to at checkout said just about everybody had to do that starting out.

Now allow me to explain the alternative to Wal-Mart if minimum wage is say $15/hr: Brackets. They screw onto the shelves and go down the floor. Job eliminated. In this case, no, I don't think you should be able to live and raise a family off fishing stuff out from under shelves at Wal-Mart. But it is something to put date/gas/education money into the pockets of somebody in high school. It gives them experience. It gives them references. It proves to future employers they can show up at 9 and work until 5. The people who will be most screwed if the liberals get their way is the young people.

In fact, I'm going to put on my soulless partisan hat for a moment and declare the new talking point for Republicans is to be the Democrat's "War On Young People". Between minimum wage, Obamacare, and bankrupt "entitlements" the younger you are the more profusely your financial future is bleeding from the rectum.

trust me:

the younger generation has such a lack of trust/respect for the GOP that it will be 8-10 years before the GOP has a chance to get that demographic again.

and besides you are talking about the age group that has the weakest voter turnout rate.

Definitely a car wreck.

all I could think of was this....

(03-31-2014 11:32 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  So ... I went to Wally World just about an hour ago ... an appropriately late hour to avoid the traffic of humanity but not so late that it turns into the House of Funny Walks. What can I say ... Wally World is nearly the only place that carries my beloved Atkins scrambles/meals, and they carry them at a good price. It helps me behave as I cannot STAND cooking three meals a day, and virtually nothing is preparation free on Atkins.

Anyway.........

As I went back to the corner where they keep the bars and shakes, there was a manager fishing out stuff from under the shelves. In front of him was a high school looking kid. The manager fished a bunch of crap from under the shelves, and then told the kid to do that for all the shelves, clean to the walls, from there to the garden section. The kid laughed and idly paced a bit. The manager, admittedly a bit of a jerk, said:

"Was something I said funny?"
--- "For $8 an hour?"
"Yes."
--- "Pssssssshhhhhhh"
"Go home."


Apparently this is no BS task, as the cashier I talked to at checkout said just about everybody had to do that starting out.

Now allow me to explain the alternative to Wal-Mart if minimum wage is say $15/hr: Brackets. They screw onto the shelves and go down the floor. Job eliminated. In this case, no, I don't think you should be able to live and raise a family off fishing stuff out from under shelves at Wal-Mart. But it is something to put date/gas/education money into the pockets of somebody in high school. It gives them experience. It gives them references. It proves to future employers they can show up at 9 and work until 5. The people who will be most screwed if the liberals get their way is the young people.

Not just that, it gives them an understanding of the many pieces that need to be in place to run a successful business.

Whether they aspire to be entrepreneurs, managers or just cogs, they will then see that there are a ton of things that need to be done to keep a business operating successfully, addressing customers' desires.

Want to work at McDonalds? Someone still cleans the bathrooms, takes out trash, cleans the parking lot, unloads the stock truck...all in addition to frying burgers. And McDonalds keeps their processes simple and lean! Want to do work someplace that has a bigger agenda? There's a lot involved.

The 18-25 crowd will see what underemployment and debt mean in a few years and there will be a shift in some respects.

(04-01-2014 08:45 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:32 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  So ... I went to Wally World just about an hour ago ... an appropriately late hour to avoid the traffic of humanity but not so late that it turns into the House of Funny Walks. What can I say ... Wally World is nearly the only place that carries my beloved Atkins scrambles/meals, and they carry them at a good price. It helps me behave as I cannot STAND cooking three meals a day, and virtually nothing is preparation free on Atkins.

Anyway.........

As I went back to the corner where they keep the bars and shakes, there was a manager fishing out stuff from under the shelves. In front of him was a high school looking kid. The manager fished a bunch of crap from under the shelves, and then told the kid to do that for all the shelves, clean to the walls, from there to the garden section. The kid laughed and idly paced a bit. The manager, admittedly a bit of a jerk, said:

"Was something I said funny?"
--- "For $8 an hour?"
"Yes."
--- "Pssssssshhhhhhh"
"Go home."


Apparently this is no BS task, as the cashier I talked to at checkout said just about everybody had to do that starting out.

Now allow me to explain the alternative to Wal-Mart if minimum wage is say $15/hr: Brackets. They screw onto the shelves and go down the floor. Job eliminated. In this case, no, I don't think you should be able to live and raise a family off fishing stuff out from under shelves at Wal-Mart. But it is something to put date/gas/education money into the pockets of somebody in high school. It gives them experience. It gives them references. It proves to future employers they can show up at 9 and work until 5. The people who will be most screwed if the liberals get their way is the young people.

Not just that, it gives them an understanding of the many pieces that need to be in place to run a successful business.

Whether they aspire to be entrepreneurs, managers or just cogs, they will then see that there are a ton of things that need to be done to keep a business operating successfully, addressing customers' desires.

Want to work at McDonalds? Someone still cleans the bathrooms, takes out trash, cleans the parking lot, unloads the stock truck...all in addition to frying burgers. And McDonalds keeps their processes simple and lean! Want to do work someplace that has a bigger agenda? There's a lot involved.

Seems like the young crowd just doesn't want to pay its dues. I started out cutting grass on a farm at 15. When the busload of Mexicans showed up I was let go and went to work at a grocery store, still age 16. Bagged groceries, got carts off the lot in the cold,rain, heat, etc clean the bathrooms and store floors, etc. Did that all through high school. No, it isn't fun but it teaches one preserverance and what a hard days work is like. I taught me to appreciate what I do now even more and that nothing in life is free. Young people these days want to skip all that and just move into a corner office.

(04-01-2014 10:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 08:45 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:32 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  So ... I went to Wally World just about an hour ago ... an appropriately late hour to avoid the traffic of humanity but not so late that it turns into the House of Funny Walks. What can I say ... Wally World is nearly the only place that carries my beloved Atkins scrambles/meals, and they carry them at a good price. It helps me behave as I cannot STAND cooking three meals a day, and virtually nothing is preparation free on Atkins.

Anyway.........

As I went back to the corner where they keep the bars and shakes, there was a manager fishing out stuff from under the shelves. In front of him was a high school looking kid. The manager fished a bunch of crap from under the shelves, and then told the kid to do that for all the shelves, clean to the walls, from there to the garden section. The kid laughed and idly paced a bit. The manager, admittedly a bit of a jerk, said:

"Was something I said funny?"
--- "For $8 an hour?"
"Yes."
--- "Pssssssshhhhhhh"
"Go home."


Apparently this is no BS task, as the cashier I talked to at checkout said just about everybody had to do that starting out.

Now allow me to explain the alternative to Wal-Mart if minimum wage is say $15/hr: Brackets. They screw onto the shelves and go down the floor. Job eliminated. In this case, no, I don't think you should be able to live and raise a family off fishing stuff out from under shelves at Wal-Mart. But it is something to put date/gas/education money into the pockets of somebody in high school. It gives them experience. It gives them references. It proves to future employers they can show up at 9 and work until 5. The people who will be most screwed if the liberals get their way is the young people.

Not just that, it gives them an understanding of the many pieces that need to be in place to run a successful business.

Whether they aspire to be entrepreneurs, managers or just cogs, they will then see that there are a ton of things that need to be done to keep a business operating successfully, addressing customers' desires.

Want to work at McDonalds? Someone still cleans the bathrooms, takes out trash, cleans the parking lot, unloads the stock truck...all in addition to frying burgers. And McDonalds keeps their processes simple and lean! Want to do work someplace that has a bigger agenda? There's a lot involved.

Seems like the young crowd just doesn't want to pay its dues. I started out cutting grass on a farm at 15. When the busload of Mexicans showed up I was let go and went to work at a grocery store, still age 16. Bagged groceries, got carts off the lot in the cold,rain, heat, etc clean the bathrooms and store floors, etc. Did that all through high school. No, it isn't fun but it teaches one preserverance and what a hard days work is like. I taught me to appreciate what I do now even more and that nothing in life is free. Young people these days want to skip all that and just move into a corner office.

Psssh. I guess I could be considered one of the young people and the first thing I did to make money was shoveling snow in freaking Canada (do you realize how cold that is?); eventually being "volunteered" to do it for free. After that I went and moved broken pallets at a factory and cleaned their bathrooms. At the same time I spent weekends cleaning properties for my dad. All of this before 18, all of this under the table, and all of this well below minimum wage.

My first job was mowing lawns. After paying for gas I probably made about $3/hr.... and my father bought the lawnmower and edger. Then I delivered papers before school. I think I made about 50 cents per month per paper.... IF the customer paid... and if they didn't, I lost like $1.50 per customer. I had to collect from every single customer. So I started with one route that was about 150 papers and ended up with almost 1000. I paid my older sister to drive the bundles from the main drop point and leave them strategically along the route... and I jogged most mornings. Sunday was a BEAST as the paper started arriving on Wednesday and had to be assembled. FAR below min wage. I also vacuumed carpets after hours at a carpet store and then worked the counter at Sherwin Williams. This was my first minimum wage/hourly job... and I had been working for 5 years already.

(04-01-2014 11:15 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 10:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 08:45 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:32 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  So ... I went to Wally World just about an hour ago ... an appropriately late hour to avoid the traffic of humanity but not so late that it turns into the House of Funny Walks. What can I say ... Wally World is nearly the only place that carries my beloved Atkins scrambles/meals, and they carry them at a good price. It helps me behave as I cannot STAND cooking three meals a day, and virtually nothing is preparation free on Atkins.

Anyway.........

As I went back to the corner where they keep the bars and shakes, there was a manager fishing out stuff from under the shelves. In front of him was a high school looking kid. The manager fished a bunch of crap from under the shelves, and then told the kid to do that for all the shelves, clean to the walls, from there to the garden section. The kid laughed and idly paced a bit. The manager, admittedly a bit of a jerk, said:

"Was something I said funny?"
--- "For $8 an hour?"
"Yes."
--- "Pssssssshhhhhhh"
"Go home."


Apparently this is no BS task, as the cashier I talked to at checkout said just about everybody had to do that starting out.

Now allow me to explain the alternative to Wal-Mart if minimum wage is say $15/hr: Brackets. They screw onto the shelves and go down the floor. Job eliminated. In this case, no, I don't think you should be able to live and raise a family off fishing stuff out from under shelves at Wal-Mart. But it is something to put date/gas/education money into the pockets of somebody in high school. It gives them experience. It gives them references. It proves to future employers they can show up at 9 and work until 5. The people who will be most screwed if the liberals get their way is the young people.

Not just that, it gives them an understanding of the many pieces that need to be in place to run a successful business.

Whether they aspire to be entrepreneurs, managers or just cogs, they will then see that there are a ton of things that need to be done to keep a business operating successfully, addressing customers' desires.

Want to work at McDonalds? Someone still cleans the bathrooms, takes out trash, cleans the parking lot, unloads the stock truck...all in addition to frying burgers. And McDonalds keeps their processes simple and lean! Want to do work someplace that has a bigger agenda? There's a lot involved.

Seems like the young crowd just doesn't want to pay its dues. I started out cutting grass on a farm at 15. When the busload of Mexicans showed up I was let go and went to work at a grocery store, still age 16. Bagged groceries, got carts off the lot in the cold,rain, heat, etc clean the bathrooms and store floors, etc. Did that all through high school. No, it isn't fun but it teaches one preserverance and what a hard days work is like. I taught me to appreciate what I do now even more and that nothing in life is free. Young people these days want to skip all that and just move into a corner office.

Psssh. I guess I could be considered one of the young people and the first thing I did to make money was shoveling snow in freaking Canada (do you realize how cold that is?); eventually being "volunteered" to do it for free. After that I went and moved broken pallets at a factory and cleaned their bathrooms. At the same time I spent weekends cleaning properties for my dad. All of this before 18, all of this under the table, and all of this well below minimum wage.

I prefer to call it "voluntold". I think minimum wage was around $4.25/hr when I started working. Nobody works a minimum wage job for the actualy money, well, at least they shouldn't. It's more about getting the experience and acquiring a work ethic, etc.

I really do worry about the folks that are 10-15 years younger than me.

I sh*t you not.. One guy back home asked did we have anything he could do.. I said I'd check and see if we could get him on doing like a laborer type thing (pick up trash, sweep floor, help out a carpenter, etc.).. He said, No I want your job. I want to sit in an office all day. I said, Well you gotta start somewhere, I was doing that type of stuff when I was legal to work construction.

He said, yea but it's hot outside. I don't want to get sweaty, just take me as your intern..

I put myself through college slinging a mop on the 3rd shift.

What these jobs do is teach that this is not what you want to do your whole life.

I bet what that twerp didn't figure out was that the folks that were best at fishing **** out from under the shelves didn't have to do it long.

A buddy lost his long term gig and had to start over at entry level in the service sector. In about 9 months, he's gotten two raises and a promotion. He tells me it's because he shows up on time and does what they tell him to do.

(04-01-2014 12:22 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 11:15 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 10:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 08:45 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:32 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  So ... I went to Wally World just about an hour ago ... an appropriately late hour to avoid the traffic of humanity but not so late that it turns into the House of Funny Walks. What can I say ... Wally World is nearly the only place that carries my beloved Atkins scrambles/meals, and they carry them at a good price. It helps me behave as I cannot STAND cooking three meals a day, and virtually nothing is preparation free on Atkins.

Anyway.........

As I went back to the corner where they keep the bars and shakes, there was a manager fishing out stuff from under the shelves. In front of him was a high school looking kid. The manager fished a bunch of crap from under the shelves, and then told the kid to do that for all the shelves, clean to the walls, from there to the garden section. The kid laughed and idly paced a bit. The manager, admittedly a bit of a jerk, said:

"Was something I said funny?"
--- "For $8 an hour?"
"Yes."
--- "Pssssssshhhhhhh"
"Go home."


Apparently this is no BS task, as the cashier I talked to at checkout said just about everybody had to do that starting out.

Now allow me to explain the alternative to Wal-Mart if minimum wage is say $15/hr: Brackets. They screw onto the shelves and go down the floor. Job eliminated. In this case, no, I don't think you should be able to live and raise a family off fishing stuff out from under shelves at Wal-Mart. But it is something to put date/gas/education money into the pockets of somebody in high school. It gives them experience. It gives them references. It proves to future employers they can show up at 9 and work until 5. The people who will be most screwed if the liberals get their way is the young people.

Not just that, it gives them an understanding of the many pieces that need to be in place to run a successful business.

Whether they aspire to be entrepreneurs, managers or just cogs, they will then see that there are a ton of things that need to be done to keep a business operating successfully, addressing customers' desires.

Want to work at McDonalds? Someone still cleans the bathrooms, takes out trash, cleans the parking lot, unloads the stock truck...all in addition to frying burgers. And McDonalds keeps their processes simple and lean! Want to do work someplace that has a bigger agenda? There's a lot involved.

Seems like the young crowd just doesn't want to pay its dues. I started out cutting grass on a farm at 15. When the busload of Mexicans showed up I was let go and went to work at a grocery store, still age 16. Bagged groceries, got carts off the lot in the cold,rain, heat, etc clean the bathrooms and store floors, etc. Did that all through high school. No, it isn't fun but it teaches one preserverance and what a hard days work is like. I taught me to appreciate what I do now even more and that nothing in life is free. Young people these days want to skip all that and just move into a corner office.

Psssh. I guess I could be considered one of the young people and the first thing I did to make money was shoveling snow in freaking Canada (do you realize how cold that is?); eventually being "volunteered" to do it for free. After that I went and moved broken pallets at a factory and cleaned their bathrooms. At the same time I spent weekends cleaning properties for my dad. All of this before 18, all of this under the table, and all of this well below minimum wage.

I prefer to call it "voluntold". I think minimum wage was around $4.25/hr when I started working. Nobody works a minimum wage job for the actualy money, well, at least they shouldn't. It's more about getting the experience and acquiring a work ethic, etc.

Voluntold is a good word for it actually.

(04-01-2014 01:34 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 12:22 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 11:15 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 10:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 08:45 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Not just that, it gives them an understanding of the many pieces that need to be in place to run a successful business.

Whether they aspire to be entrepreneurs, managers or just cogs, they will then see that there are a ton of things that need to be done to keep a business operating successfully, addressing customers' desires.

Want to work at McDonalds? Someone still cleans the bathrooms, takes out trash, cleans the parking lot, unloads the stock truck...all in addition to frying burgers. And McDonalds keeps their processes simple and lean! Want to do work someplace that has a bigger agenda? There's a lot involved.

Seems like the young crowd just doesn't want to pay its dues. I started out cutting grass on a farm at 15. When the busload of Mexicans showed up I was let go and went to work at a grocery store, still age 16. Bagged groceries, got carts off the lot in the cold,rain, heat, etc clean the bathrooms and store floors, etc. Did that all through high school. No, it isn't fun but it teaches one preserverance and what a hard days work is like. I taught me to appreciate what I do now even more and that nothing in life is free. Young people these days want to skip all that and just move into a corner office.

Psssh. I guess I could be considered one of the young people and the first thing I did to make money was shoveling snow in freaking Canada (do you realize how cold that is?); eventually being "volunteered" to do it for free. After that I went and moved broken pallets at a factory and cleaned their bathrooms. At the same time I spent weekends cleaning properties for my dad. All of this before 18, all of this under the table, and all of this well below minimum wage.

I prefer to call it "voluntold". I think minimum wage was around $4.25/hr when I started working. Nobody works a minimum wage job for the actualy money, well, at least they shouldn't. It's more about getting the experience and acquiring a work ethic, etc.

Voluntold is a good word for it actually.

That and whenever a coworker comes up to you and says, "Hey, I've got an opportunity for you!" RUN AWAY.

(04-01-2014 01:05 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I put myself through college slinging a mop on the 3rd shift.

What these jobs do is teach that this is not what you want to do your whole life.

I bet what that twerp didn't figure out was that the folks that were best at fishing **** out from under the shelves didn't have to do it long.

A buddy lost his long term gig and had to start over at entry level in the service sector. In about 9 months, he's gotten two raises and a promotion. He tells me it's because he shows up on time and does what they tell him to do.

My wife's nephew is the same way. He got a degree in broadcasting.. Couldn't find a job, but the kid is a hard worker. He got a job around Pittsburgh as temp work.. Then he got on as a full time guy, then began training people, and now I think he's a supervisor.. He's been doing this for about 3 years now.. That's the starting as a temp worker and all. Little hard work goes a long way.

(04-01-2014 03:06 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 01:05 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I put myself through college slinging a mop on the 3rd shift.

What these jobs do is teach that this is not what you want to do your whole life.

I bet what that twerp didn't figure out was that the folks that were best at fishing **** out from under the shelves didn't have to do it long.

A buddy lost his long term gig and had to start over at entry level in the service sector. In about 9 months, he's gotten two raises and a promotion. He tells me it's because he shows up on time and does what they tell him to do.

My wife's nephew is the same way. He got a degree in broadcasting.. Couldn't find a job, but the kid is a hard worker. He got a job around Pittsburgh as temp work.

I've been "between jobs" a couple of times in my life, and both times I went to temp agencies. I got permanent job offers at both placements, basically by showing the initiative to do the job right.

The latter of the two times I will say that other temps weren't treated fairly by the employer (not the temp agency), and that was disappointing to see. No reason to treat people badly even if they will be gone soon.

(04-01-2014 12:54 PM)gdunn Wrote:  I really do worry about the folks that are 10-15 years younger than me.

I sh*t you not.. One guy back home asked did we have anything he could do.. I said I'd check and see if we could get him on doing like a laborer type thing (pick up trash, sweep floor, help out a carpenter, etc.).. He said, No I want your job. I want to sit in an office all day. I said, Well you gotta start somewhere, I was doing that type of stuff when I was legal to work construction.

He said, yea but it's hot outside. I don't want to get sweaty, just take me as your intern..

they're aren't all like that....I have a 25 year old that works for me and he is gold......

that is a sad story G.....

(04-01-2014 10:26 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 12:54 PM)gdunn Wrote:  I really do worry about the folks that are 10-15 years younger than me.

I sh*t you not.. One guy back home asked did we have anything he could do.. I said I'd check and see if we could get him on doing like a laborer type thing (pick up trash, sweep floor, help out a carpenter, etc.).. He said, No I want your job. I want to sit in an office all day. I said, Well you gotta start somewhere, I was doing that type of stuff when I was legal to work construction.

He said, yea but it's hot outside. I don't want to get sweaty, just take me as your intern..

they're aren't all like that....I have a 25 year old that works for me and he is gold......

that is a sad story G.....

There are some with excellent work ethic then there's others.. I think if you look at the kids raised on a farm that didn't have much growing up and can't get a better education, you'll find will be your best workers, vs the "privileged" kids who were given everything and still expect it.

I told my wife I don't care how well we're doing when we have kids, they will be raised the same way we were.. You got what you needed except for birthdays and Christmas. Easter you get a new suit of clothes and some kind of outdoor activity (think ball and glove, fishing pole, etc.).