(05-31-2014 07:43 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 06:55 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 06:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 06:24 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 05:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  we had an opportunity that we didn't capitalize on.....yeah, I'm really bummed right now not taking advantage of making any attempt to keep DT.....our admin is so fkd up the arse.....sorry, just not happy as a lifer....have lost total respect for my alma right now with their decision making after the new hires.....and trust me, I'm hardly in a solo camp....

You guys could have matched UT's salary and he still wouldn't have stayed.

He couldn't recruit to Hattiesburg and he knew it. Look at what kind of recruits he's brought to UT in two or three weeks compared to what he had signed for USM next season.

Coaches aren't stupid, they know to get out while their stock is high.

you are most likely right (salary match)....however, look what he did here in two years (recruiting).....nobody gave us a chance in year one....its all about priorities and money for our admin and we just continue to lag in effect....he could recruit here as needed with little support, but whatever chief.....

regardless, the initial post stands and USM is back in hoops hell.....

what did he do in two years for recruiting? He signed a bunch of JUCOs that turned out to be pretty good and brought in a couple transfers.

That's great and all, but it's not a recipe for long term success. There aren't any examples of programs that maintained a high level of play relying heavily on JUCOs. USM probably would have struggled this year with or without Tyndall.

Take it from us Niners, recruiting only JUCOS will severely set a program back. They are only there for a year or two so no chemistry is ever developed. Plus, there's a reason they were JUCO to start with, most of the time.

(05-30-2014 06:24 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 05:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 04:57 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 04:55 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 04:43 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  My way too early prediction:

1 Louisiana Tech
2 UTEP
3 Western Kentucky
4 Old Dominion
5 Charlotte
6 UAB
7 Middle Tennessee
8-14 Who cares?

that list looks much better.....no way is USM in the top tier at this juncture....we are fading faster than a setting sun.....it's a bummer to watch what was built, disintegrate.....

I know how that feels, man. Y'all had a great team last year. From an objective perspective, it was fun to watch y'all at the Ted.

we had an opportunity that we didn't capitalize on.....yeah, I'm really bummed right now not taking advantage of making any attempt to keep DT.....our admin is so fkd up the arse.....sorry, just not happy as a lifer....have lost total respect for my alma right now with their decision making after the new hires.....and trust me, I'm hardly in a solo camp....

You guys could have matched UT's salary and he still wouldn't have stayed.

He couldn't recruit to Hattiesburg and he knew it. Look at what kind of recruits he's brought to UT in two or three weeks compared to what he had signed for USM next season.

Coaches aren't stupid, they know to get out while their stock is high. There isn't really much evidence that success at a rural mid-major school can be sustained long term. All of the consistently solid mid-major programs are in metro areas (except WKY, but they're not completely out in the sticks). Recruiting is easier in cities because most of the best basketball talent is in urban areas. Selling them on going to a rural area at a school that isn't going to put them on TV is very difficult, and judging by the number of JUCOs Tyndall had lined up for this year, he knew that.

In case you didnt notice the stars of his class had already signed to come to Hattiesburg. Your close to going full tard on this one.

To the WKU guy, there is no comparison between C-USA hoops and Belch hoops. C-USA has a lot more depth at the top of the conference, and the Belch has more poor programs at the bottom that you'd consider automatic wins. I'm not saying WKU can't come in and compete for championships immediately because I think they can. However, C-USA will be much tougher to win than any Belch title in the last quarter century.

2013-14 Final KenPom Rankings

Tier 1
34 Louisiana Tech
56 Southern Miss
63 Georgia State
80 Middle Tennessee
96 UTEP

Tier 2
116 LA-Lafayette
156 UAB
168 Arkansas State
170 Old Dominion
178 Charlotte
181 WKU

Tier 3
215 TX-Arlington
221 FIU
225 AR-Little Rock
229 North Texas
244 Florida Atlantic
247 Troy
251 Marshall
264 South Alabama
270 LA-Monroe
281 Texas State
289 Georgia Southern

Tier 4
310 UTSA
315 Rice
331 Appalachian State

(06-01-2014 12:25 PM)Dawg06 Wrote:  To the WKU guy, there is no comparison between C-USA hoops and Belch hoops. C-USA has a lot more depth at the top of the conference, and the Belch has more poor programs at the bottom that you'd consider automatic wins. I'm not saying WKU can't come in and compete for championships immediately because I think they can. However, C-USA will be much tougher to win than any Belch title in the last quarter century.

2013-14 Final KenPom Rankings

Tier 1
34 Louisiana Tech
56 Southern Miss
63 Georgia State
80 Middle Tennessee
96 UTEP

Tier 2
116 LA-Lafayette
156 UAB
168 Arkansas State
170 Old Dominion
178 Charlotte
181 WKU

Tier 3
215 TX-Arlington
221 FIU
225 AR-Little Rock
229 North Texas
244 Florida Atlantic
247 Troy
251 Marshall
264 South Alabama
270 LA-Monroe
281 Texas State
289 Georgia Southern

Tier 4
310 UTSA
315 Rice
331 Appalachian State

Do you honestly think those ranking mean anything to next season? Most of those rankings are based off of OOC winning% because once you enter conference play the conference will finish .500 (1 team wins, 1 loses...in every conference game)

Another thing rankings don't take into count of is injuries...

every teams has them but a injury to key players or two key players is not the same as losing your 7 or 10 player. Do those ranking take into account 2 of Western top 4 players (mins/ppg) didn't play for the first 10 games?..no they don't.

All I know is 2 Tier 2 SBC schools beat the top 2 Tier 1 schools on your list...with UL-L beating the top team by I believe 9 points on your homecourt.

When you use last years rankings to project next year there are TWO MAJOR problems...

some schools will have just about every key player back while some others will lose a lot of key starters. Those are the major problem with using it to project the future. Another is..a school might just lack one key part before taking that next step. In college basketball one player can make that much of a difference.

The key is getting that player...past ranking can't project either way on that.

I think you missed the point. The current programs in CUSA are historically stronger than the ones currently in the Sun Belt. If you use past schools in the conferences that gap is even wider. There is no reason to think this will change. WKU has a tradition rich program and should do well in CUSA.

(06-01-2014 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-01-2014 12:25 PM)Dawg06 Wrote:  To the WKU guy, there is no comparison between C-USA hoops and Belch hoops. C-USA has a lot more depth at the top of the conference, and the Belch has more poor programs at the bottom that you'd consider automatic wins. I'm not saying WKU can't come in and compete for championships immediately because I think they can. However, C-USA will be much tougher to win than any Belch title in the last quarter century.

2013-14 Final KenPom Rankings

Tier 1
34 Louisiana Tech
56 Southern Miss
63 Georgia State
80 Middle Tennessee
96 UTEP

Tier 2
116 LA-Lafayette
156 UAB
168 Arkansas State
170 Old Dominion
178 Charlotte
181 WKU

Tier 3
215 TX-Arlington
221 FIU
225 AR-Little Rock
229 North Texas
244 Florida Atlantic
247 Troy
251 Marshall
264 South Alabama
270 LA-Monroe
281 Texas State
289 Georgia Southern

Tier 4
310 UTSA
315 Rice
331 Appalachian State

Do you honestly think those ranking mean anything to next season? Most of those rankings are based off of OOC winning% because once you enter conference play the conference will finish .500 (1 team wins, 1 loses...in every conference game)

Another thing rankings don't take into count of is injuries...

every teams has them but a injury to key players or two key players is not the same as losing your 7 or 10 player. Do those ranking take into account 2 of Western top 4 players (mins/ppg) didn't play for the first 10 games?..no they don't.

All I know is 2 Tier 2 SBC schools beat the top 2 Tier 1 schools on your list...with UL-L beating the top team by I believe 9 points on your homecourt.

When you use last years rankings to project next year there are TWO MAJOR problems...

some schools will have just about every key player back while some others will lose a lot of key starters. Those are the major problem with using it to project the future. Another is..a school might just lack one key part before taking that next step. In college basketball one player can make that much of a difference.

The key is getting that player...past ranking can't project either way on that.

Dude. I didn't project next year. I labeled it as 2013-14 rankings to show exactly what I labeled them as: 2013-14 rankings. You posted shooting percentages for each team as if that means anything. Get a clue.

You totally missed the point. I was showing the depth that C-USA has compared to the Belch. There are eight legit MBB programs in C-USA. Eight can win this thing any given year. Louisiana Tech, Southern Miss, Middle Tennessee, UTEP, UAB, Old Dominion, Charlotte, WKU. If you play average to poorly against any of those teams, you will likely lose. Has the Belch had half that depth in the past 25 years? No.

You also show a lack of knowledge of KenPom because those rankings don't have anything to do with OOC winning percentage. This isn't RPI.

And don't bring that lucky ULL team into this. We played ULL as our 5th game in a 10 day stretch while they took an entire week off before playing us. Our guys were physically and mentally drained coming into that game while ULL came in fresh. This is basketball. One game does not a season make. We were the far superior team as our performance over the course of the entire season supports. No only that, this was ULL's first winning season in a decade. But this goes back to my point about the depth of C-USA and how tough it will be to win the conference because C-USA has many more teams as good or better than ULL was. If the best team isn't on top of their game, they can and will lose to any of those eight top teams.

Injuries... blah blah blah... Did you know Tech lost our leading scorer of 2.5 seasons for conference play after an FAU player tackled him during C-USA opening weekend? Probably not, but that beside the point because I was only showing last year's performance, not project next year.

(06-01-2014 02:57 PM)Dawg06 Wrote:  

(06-01-2014 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-01-2014 12:25 PM)Dawg06 Wrote:  To the WKU guy, there is no comparison between C-USA hoops and Belch hoops. C-USA has a lot more depth at the top of the conference, and the Belch has more poor programs at the bottom that you'd consider automatic wins. I'm not saying WKU can't come in and compete for championships immediately because I think they can. However, C-USA will be much tougher to win than any Belch title in the last quarter century.

2013-14 Final KenPom Rankings

Tier 1
34 Louisiana Tech
56 Southern Miss
63 Georgia State
80 Middle Tennessee
96 UTEP

Tier 2
116 LA-Lafayette
156 UAB
168 Arkansas State
170 Old Dominion
178 Charlotte
181 WKU

Tier 3
215 TX-Arlington
221 FIU
225 AR-Little Rock
229 North Texas
244 Florida Atlantic
247 Troy
251 Marshall
264 South Alabama
270 LA-Monroe
281 Texas State
289 Georgia Southern

Tier 4
310 UTSA
315 Rice
331 Appalachian State

Do you honestly think those ranking mean anything to next season? Most of those rankings are based off of OOC winning% because once you enter conference play the conference will finish .500 (1 team wins, 1 loses...in every conference game)

Another thing rankings don't take into count of is injuries...

every teams has them but a injury to key players or two key players is not the same as losing your 7 or 10 player. Do those ranking take into account 2 of Western top 4 players (mins/ppg) didn't play for the first 10 games?..no they don't.

All I know is 2 Tier 2 SBC schools beat the top 2 Tier 1 schools on your list...with UL-L beating the top team by I believe 9 points on your homecourt.

When you use last years rankings to project next year there are TWO MAJOR problems...

some schools will have just about every key player back while some others will lose a lot of key starters. Those are the major problem with using it to project the future. Another is..a school might just lack one key part before taking that next step. In college basketball one player can make that much of a difference.

The key is getting that player...past ranking can't project either way on that.

Dude. I didn't project next year. I labeled it as 2013-14 rankings to show exactly what I labeled them as: 2013-14 rankings. You posted shooting percentages for each team as if that means anything. Get a clue.

You totally missed the point. I was showing the depth that C-USA has compared to the Belch. There are eight legit MBB programs in C-USA. Eight can win this thing any given year. Louisiana Tech, Southern Miss, Middle Tennessee, UTEP, UAB, Old Dominion, Charlotte, WKU. If you play average to poorly against any of those teams, you will likely lose. Has the Belch had half that depth in the past 25 years? No.

You also show a lack of knowledge of KenPom because those rankings don't have anything to do with OOC winning percentage. This isn't RPI.

Don't bring that lucky ULL team into this. We played ULL as our 5th game in a 10 day stretch while they took an entire week off before playing us. Our guys were physically and mentally drained coming into that game while ULL came in fresh. We were the far superior team as our superior performance over the course of the entire season supports. No only that, this was ULL's first winning season in a decade. But this goes back to my point about the depth of C-USA and how tough it will be to win the conference because C-USA has many more teams as good or better than ULL was. If the best team isn't on top of their game, they can and will lose to any of those eight top teams.

Injuries... blah blah blah... Did you know Tech lost our leading scorer of 2.5 seasons for conference play after an FAU player tackled him during C-USA opening weekend? Probably not, but that beside the point because I was only showing last year's performance, not project next year.

I didn't miss your point I got it fully and my argument is last year the SBC was comparable to CUSA and the top 4 teams just as good as the top 4 in CUSA. Not historical but last year. I also know KenPom isn't the same as the RPI but a lot of the data is win related...so OOC plays a huge part in that. A lot of the data is also based off strength of schedule..again W/L records are a big part of that.

A loss to a hated rival and you using a excuse of being tired. Man up and say you got beat.

UL-L played on NOV 27TH then Tech on Dec 4th
Tech played ONE game between the week of the Nov 27th and Dec 4..Jackson State

Stop that! using the "we were tired" when you played one game in a weeks time before playing UL-L is just sad. What they did two years ago or 20 has no bearing on last years game vs Tech.




As for the shooting % those were related to a comment a muts fan made

"the shooting is so much better in CUSA"

The only thing I showed was sometimes what our minds think and reality are not the same. Irt wasn't anything to do with which conference was better in the game of basketball.

I don't know what Western will do next year...I think top 3 since we have a good core of Sr's coming back. Time will see.

You are clueless.

(06-01-2014 03:44 PM)Dawg06 Wrote:  You are clueless.

I wouldn't expect anything less from someone childish enough to use "the Belch"

(05-29-2014 04:33 PM)Blazer88 Wrote:  Does USM return a lot of guys? I could see them having a drop-off. Don't really see ODU or WKU finishing top 3-4.

Right now I'd say La Tech, UTEP, UAB, and MTSU as top 4.

Me too. I think they've got USM ranked too high.

(05-29-2014 08:59 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  I've got it in tiers just off the top of my head.

Tier 1: La Tech
Tier 2: UTEP
Tier 3: UAB, Charlotte, ODU, WKU
Tier 4: USM, MT
Tier 5: Everyone else!

Pretty accurate in my opinion.

(06-01-2014 05:53 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 08:59 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  I've got it in tiers just off the top of my head.

Tier 1: La Tech
Tier 2: UTEP
Tier 3: UAB, Charlotte, ODU, WKU
Tier 4: USM, MT
Tier 5: Everyone else!

Pretty accurate in my opinion.

Got us ranked too low. Gonna surprise alot of people this year. we have a coach now that plays defenses other than zone...