I didn't see this posted anywhere, but I haven't been on the boards as much the last few days. If it was Mods please move/merge or delete.

Peter Edmiston posted an interesting statistical comparison across several categories of Pastner vs. Calipari in their first 5 years, as well as wins compared to Shaka Smart and Brad Stevens their first 5 years. This adds a little bit more color to the "first 5 years" comparisons we hear tossed around so frequently.

http://infogr.am/josh-pastner-first-five-years?src=web

(03-31-2014 01:02 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  I didn't see this posted anywhere, but I haven't been on the boards as much the last few days. If it was Mods please move/merge or delete.

Peter Edmiston posted an interesting statistical comparison across several categories of Pastner vs. Calipari in their first 5 years, as well as wins compared to Shaka Smart and Brad Stevens their first 5 years. This adds a little bit more color to the "first 5 years" comparisons we hear tossed around so frequently.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/201...er=popular

The only potential flaw is in the salary area. It says that it has been adjusted for inflation but I assume that is inflation based on the change in the economy. It would probably be better to compare with other coaches salaries at the time to get a more fair adjustment.

What about in comparison to Kevin Ollie's first two years?

Memphis was really good last year- short of great.

Will be really good next year- we shall see if great.

Could you give a synopsis for those of us that would rather eat dirt than pay a dime to the CA?

Ollie is calhouns puppet.


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(03-31-2014 03:03 PM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  Could you give a synopsis for those of us that would rather eat dirt than pay a dime to the CA?

I will not spend another dime with them either.


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What happens in Year 6 if Josh doesn't make the Elite 8?

Clear as mud.

That is probably the worst possible way to represent and compare 2 different data sets.

Truly awful.

(03-31-2014 02:36 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  Kevin Ollie's results speak for themselves lol. FF already by any measure is incredibly impressive. I agree with mairving in that I'd like to see not just the salary but some of these other meters compared to other coaches their first 5 years.

It's all interesting reading material, but we all know year 6 is when Cal's historic run started. It would be a very pleasant surprise if that started next season. If not then hopefully the 2015 recruiting class added to that roster will start something special so that the last 5 year comparison won't be all too different (assuming he's still at Memphis).

WWW ain't delivering Laurenburg prep. Ain't that the class that started, and finished, Cal's great run.

Funny that NCAA put them out of business after that little escapade.

(03-31-2014 03:46 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  That is probably the worst possible way to represent and compare 2 different data sets.

Truly awful.

Don't like the pretty graphs, eh nerd?

I did a little research over the weeked to see where I would rate Josh's first five years compared to other UM coaches. Some of this is apples to oranges, since it was more difficult to get into the NCAA before the field expanded to 64+ teams. I could make an arguement to switch Pastner and Bartow, but Gene was only here four years (and got to inherit non-eligible freshmen Larry Finch and Ronnie Robinson from Iba). I ended up rating them this way:

1. Calipari 2005-2009 - as long as you are willing to overlook the fact that we were put on probation, this was a good stretch. 2005 was NIT, but the next four years were Elite 8, Elite 8, NCAA Finals, Sweet 16. (Left for Kentucky after 2009 Sweet 16).

2. Kirk 1982 - 1986 - as long as you are willing to overlook the fact that we were put on probation and Kirk went to the penitentiary, this was another good stretch. Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Final 4 and second round NCAA. (Fired due to NCAA violations and Federal criminal charges).

3. Finch 1992 - 1996 - started with Elite 8, NCAA, no post season, Sweet 16, NCAA. (Fired after 1997 NIT appearance)

4. Pastner 2010 - 2014 - NIT, NCAA, NCAA, second round NCAA, second round NCAA.

5. Bartow 1971 - 1974 - No post season, NIT, NCAA Finals, NIT. (Bartow was only the UM coach 4 years and he left for Illinois).

6. Vanatta 1958 - 1962 - No post season, no post season, NIT, NIT, NCAA. Vanatta left after 1962 for Missouri)

7. Yates 1975 - 1979 - NIT, NCAA, NIT, no post season, no post season. (Fired after 1979 season)

The 2008 Final Four was vacated as was the season.

The 1985 Final Four was vacated, but was the season?

(03-31-2014 04:08 PM)TIGER7880 Wrote:  I did a little research over the weeked to see where I would rate Josh's first five years compared to other UM coaches. Some of this is apples to oranges, since it was more difficult to get into the NCAA before the field expanded to 64+ teams. I could make an arguement to switch Pastner and Bartow, but Gene was only here four years (and got to inherit non-eligible freshmen Larry Finch and Ronnie Robinson from Iba). I ended up rating them this way:

1. Calipari 2005-2009 - as long as you are willing to overlook the fact that we were put on probation, this was a good stretch. 2005 was NIT, but the next four years were Elite 8, Elite 8, NCAA Finals, Sweet 16. (Left for Kentucky after 2009 Sweet 16).

2. Kirk 1982 - 1986 - as long as you are willing to overlook the fact that we were put on probation and Kirk went to the penitentiary, this was another good stretch. Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Final 4 and second round NCAA. (Fired due to NCAA violations and Federal criminal charges).

3. Finch 1992 - 1996 - started with Elite 8, NCAA, no post season, Sweet 16, NCAA. (Fired after 1997 NIT appearance)

4. Pastner 2010 - 2014 - NIT, NCAA, NCAA, second round NCAA, second round NCAA.

5. Bartow 1971 - 1974 - No post season, NIT, NCAA Finals, NIT. (Bartow was only the UM coach 4 years and he left for Illinois).

6. Vanatta 1958 - 1962 - No post season, no post season, NIT, NIT, NCAA. Vanatta left after 1962 for Missouri)

7. Yates 1975 - 1979 - NIT, NCAA, NIT, no post season, no post season. (Fired after 1979 season)

Pastner as Memphis' #4 coach sounds right - but lets also note that Memphis was *ALSO* on probation in Pastner's first years courtesy of Calipari - which might add some additional value.

(03-31-2014 06:53 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 04:08 PM)TIGER7880 Wrote:  I did a little research over the weeked to see where I would rate Josh's first five years compared to other UM coaches. Some of this is apples to oranges, since it was more difficult to get into the NCAA before the field expanded to 64+ teams. I could make an arguement to switch Pastner and Bartow, but Gene was only here four years (and got to inherit non-eligible freshmen Larry Finch and Ronnie Robinson from Iba). I ended up rating them this way:

1. Calipari 2005-2009 - as long as you are willing to overlook the fact that we were put on probation, this was a good stretch. 2005 was NIT, but the next four years were Elite 8, Elite 8, NCAA Finals, Sweet 16. (Left for Kentucky after 2009 Sweet 16).

2. Kirk 1982 - 1986 - as long as you are willing to overlook the fact that we were put on probation and Kirk went to the penitentiary, this was another good stretch. Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Final 4 and second round NCAA. (Fired due to NCAA violations and Federal criminal charges).

3. Finch 1992 - 1996 - started with Elite 8, NCAA, no post season, Sweet 16, NCAA. (Fired after 1997 NIT appearance)

4. Pastner 2010 - 2014 - NIT, NCAA, NCAA, second round NCAA, second round NCAA.

5. Bartow 1971 - 1974 - No post season, NIT, NCAA Finals, NIT. (Bartow was only the UM coach 4 years and he left for Illinois).

6. Vanatta 1958 - 1962 - No post season, no post season, NIT, NIT, NCAA. Vanatta left after 1962 for Missouri)

7. Yates 1975 - 1979 - NIT, NCAA, NIT, no post season, no post season. (Fired after 1979 season)

Pastner as Memphis' #4 coach sounds right - but lets also note that Memphis was *ALSO* on probation in Pastner's first years courtesy of Calipari - which might add some additional value.

Steps on the toes of the trolls and the agenda driven.

Like you guys have said, that's insanely difficult to decipher.

(03-31-2014 06:53 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 04:08 PM)TIGER7880 Wrote:  I did a little research over the weeked to see where I would rate Josh's first five years compared to other UM coaches. Some of this is apples to oranges, since it was more difficult to get into the NCAA before the field expanded to 64+ teams. I could make an arguement to switch Pastner and Bartow, but Gene was only here four years (and got to inherit non-eligible freshmen Larry Finch and Ronnie Robinson from Iba). I ended up rating them this way:

1. Calipari 2005-2009 - as long as you are willing to overlook the fact that we were put on probation, this was a good stretch. 2005 was NIT, but the next four years were Elite 8, Elite 8, NCAA Finals, Sweet 16. (Left for Kentucky after 2009 Sweet 16).

2. Kirk 1982 - 1986 - as long as you are willing to overlook the fact that we were put on probation and Kirk went to the penitentiary, this was another good stretch. Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Final 4 and second round NCAA. (Fired due to NCAA violations and Federal criminal charges).

3. Finch 1992 - 1996 - started with Elite 8, NCAA, no post season, Sweet 16, NCAA. (Fired after 1997 NIT appearance)

4. Pastner 2010 - 2014 - NIT, NCAA, NCAA, second round NCAA, second round NCAA.

5. Bartow 1971 - 1974 - No post season, NIT, NCAA Finals, NIT. (Bartow was only the UM coach 4 years and he left for Illinois).

6. Vanatta 1958 - 1962 - No post season, no post season, NIT, NIT, NCAA. Vanatta left after 1962 for Missouri)

7. Yates 1975 - 1979 - NIT, NCAA, NIT, no post season, no post season. (Fired after 1979 season)

Pastner as Memphis' #4 coach sounds right - but lets also note that Memphis was *ALSO* on probation in Pastner's first years courtesy of Calipari - which might add some additional value.

The probation was mainly just the banner coming down wasn't it..How many Scholly's did we lose? Did it keep us from any Tourney's? I thought it was a slap on the wrist compared to other Schools being put on probation.. Uconn was put on probation and could not go to the tourney right around that time I think..Can't remember so I'm asking?? Could look it up but figured I'd ask..


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(03-31-2014 01:52 PM)bphenderson Wrote:  What about in comparison to Kevin Ollie's first two years?

Give Ollie his due. Maybe while he is coach at Memphis, JP will have an all american like Napier who hits shots when no one else on the team can and defends like a wounded momma bear. I would love to see it. Because then the Tigers would be roaring.

(03-31-2014 09:45 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 06:53 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 04:08 PM)TIGER7880 Wrote:  I did a little research over the weeked to see where I would rate Josh's first five years compared to other UM coaches. Some of this is apples to oranges, since it was more difficult to get into the NCAA before the field expanded to 64+ teams. I could make an arguement to switch Pastner and Bartow, but Gene was only here four years (and got to inherit non-eligible freshmen Larry Finch and Ronnie Robinson from Iba). I ended up rating them this way:

1. Calipari 2005-2009 - as long as you are willing to overlook the fact that we were put on probation, this was a good stretch. 2005 was NIT, but the next four years were Elite 8, Elite 8, NCAA Finals, Sweet 16. (Left for Kentucky after 2009 Sweet 16).

2. Kirk 1982 - 1986 - as long as you are willing to overlook the fact that we were put on probation and Kirk went to the penitentiary, this was another good stretch. Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Final 4 and second round NCAA. (Fired due to NCAA violations and Federal criminal charges).

3. Finch 1992 - 1996 - started with Elite 8, NCAA, no post season, Sweet 16, NCAA. (Fired after 1997 NIT appearance)

4. Pastner 2010 - 2014 - NIT, NCAA, NCAA, second round NCAA, second round NCAA.

5. Bartow 1971 - 1974 - No post season, NIT, NCAA Finals, NIT. (Bartow was only the UM coach 4 years and he left for Illinois).

6. Vanatta 1958 - 1962 - No post season, no post season, NIT, NIT, NCAA. Vanatta left after 1962 for Missouri)

7. Yates 1975 - 1979 - NIT, NCAA, NIT, no post season, no post season. (Fired after 1979 season)

Pastner as Memphis' #4 coach sounds right - but lets also note that Memphis was *ALSO* on probation in Pastner's first years courtesy of Calipari - which might add some additional value.

The probation was mainly just the banner coming down wasn't it..How many Scholly's did we lose? Did it keep us from any Tourney's? I thought it was a slap on the wrist compared to other Schools being put on probation.. Uconn was put on probation and could not go to the tourney right around that time I think..Can't remember so I'm asking?? Could look it up but figured I'd ask..


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It was a little more than that. Two years. They had to report to the office every six months. If they even slipped on a banana peel without a legit excuse, they would be hammered.
Why do you think Josh's initial contract was more like a straightjacket than a carte blanche?