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(04-01-2014 03:31 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  It only takes 1 player on the court to kill your team defensively. If they consistently get beat, lose their man, or just let them go by and hope someone else will stop them you will look bad.

Although I don't agree with a lot of what you said about the individual players, you're right that we were hamstrung on offense by our poor shooting.

Defensively, the problem was both on the perimeter and in the paint. On the perimeter, we're little and slow. We didn't know how to play D without hand checking. In the paint, we're too weak. King struggled on the perimeter, and Iverson was non-existent. Was Wilson the answer? I doubt he makes us a Final Four team if he got more minutes, because he couldn't shoot.

You just can't be a team that is defined by guard play if you can't shoot. You also can't pound the ball into your bigs if you can't shoot.
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(04-01-2014 03:31 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  It only takes 1 player on the court to kill your team defensively. If they consistently get beat, lose their man, or just let them go by and hope someone else will stop them you will look bad.

Which is exactly how our big men got into foul trouble all year.
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How about this...next time a guard drives the lane, put him on his butt


If I see another foul AND the basket I'll vomit.
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(04-01-2014 03:30 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  I do not blame Pastner 1 bit about our guards shooting. He did everything he could. If you can't shoot the ball, you can't shoot teams out of their zone and open up the inside play. If you guards/bigs do no play with intensity and get back on defense you generally sub them out. Problem is, he had no one else to put in.

I'll go ahead and be the ******* again I guess.

Crawford- did not play defense and was not consistent enough to only shoot threes. Sometimes double digit threes in a single game. I don't care about his shooting % he had games where he shot 50% and he had games where he shot 10% he wasn't consistent period.

Jackson- He played well at times but sulked to much and has done it for years. He didn't even enjoy 40% of his college time and at times that showed. That's from his own mouth. At times he looked great other times he hurt us.

Dixon- Was probably the most consistent guard we had. However, at times he hurt us bad with his hero ball.

Geron- Most intense player on the team. He couldn't shoot to save his life.

Again, if you can't shoot, you can't open up the inside. There is only so much a big can do when he is constantly surrounded by 2-3 opposing players. Teams did not respect our outside shooting and they just packed it in and watched us miss.

Defensively who was Josh supposed to put in? King was good in my opinion got lost at times. Iverson could have been but I didn't really see him enough to know 100%, Woodson had issues and still needs to drop weight, Wilson maybe, I don't know why he didn't play.

Other than that Josh had no choice but to teach, preach and hope it got through.

His only other option would have been to send a message by pruposely losing 3-4 games by playing the freshmen and walk ons. I would have loved to see the reaction to that.

Give Josh a chance with these new recruits. I think these new batch of guards are going to show us what Josh is really capable of. I appreciate those players for coming here and keeping us in the tourney, I just don't think they were really ever meant for more than that.

I blame Josh for the recruiting and not getting us a TRUE PG. I do not blame Josh for the way the players played and how they played with little or no heart.

I know people think the players are a reflection of their coach. However, I have seen nothing from Josh that says he is does not have heart or is not a hard worker...

He works harder than every coach out there, he has been doing it since he was a kid. He did it at the AAU level and he did it as a walk on at Arizona. If NBA players fromt hat Arizona team say Josh was one of the main reasons they were successful and developed the way they did who is anyone here to say otherwise.

Josh is already under pressure from the fans and really just being the head coach at Memphis. Would you have rather him kicked 5 players off this team and taken 22 losses this season?

Defensively the guys were lost many times...If you set a couple of screens and next thing you know you had an open shot, that is a coaching issue...Austin was horrible on defense at the end of the year but he played waaaay more minutes than King.

We were taking far too many chances on the perimeter and we paid for it all year...

Pastner sees offense he plays guys who he feel can score.
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(04-01-2014 03:37 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(03-30-2014 10:25 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  
(03-30-2014 09:19 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  NEWSFLASH: Elite 8 teams look better than a team that went out in the Round of 32!!!!


Brilliant. This board is bringing its A game tonight.

The point of the post was not the "what" but the "why", which in my observation was toughness and intensity. Stellar reading comprehension.

No, the point of the post was to be a mopey sad-sack. We all knew that this team was not an Elite 8 type team even before the season began.

Another woe is me thread.

I think a lot of us thought this team had a real shot to get to the elite 8 before the season started.....
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(04-01-2014 07:30 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  How about this...next time a guard drives the lane, put him on his butt


If I see another foul AND the basket I'll vomit.

That's how I roll.
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(04-02-2014 08:46 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 07:30 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  How about this...next time a guard drives the lane, put him on his butt


If I see another foul AND the basket I'll vomit.

That's how I roll.

Me too. That's why I liked Pellom...he had no qualms about giving a nice pop to guys driving into the paint.
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(04-02-2014 09:06 AM)Blackman Wrote:  
(04-02-2014 08:46 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 07:30 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  How about this...next time a guard drives the lane, put him on his butt


If I see another foul AND the basket I'll vomit.

That's how I roll.

Me too. That's why I liked Pellom...he had no qualms about giving a nice pop to guys driving into the paint.

There's nothing wrong with a good, hard foul and letting them know you have 3-4 more just like that one.
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(04-01-2014 10:11 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 03:30 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  I do not blame Pastner 1 bit about our guards shooting. He did everything he could. If you can't shoot the ball, you can't shoot teams out of their zone and open up the inside play. If you guards/bigs do no play with intensity and get back on defense you generally sub them out. Problem is, he had no one else to put in.

I'll go ahead and be the ******* again I guess.

Crawford- did not play defense and was not consistent enough to only shoot threes. Sometimes double digit threes in a single game. I don't care about his shooting % he had games where he shot 50% and he had games where he shot 10% he wasn't consistent period.

Jackson- He played well at times but sulked to much and has done it for years. He didn't even enjoy 40% of his college time and at times that showed. That's from his own mouth. At times he looked great other times he hurt us.

Dixon- Was probably the most consistent guard we had. However, at times he hurt us bad with his hero ball.

Geron- Most intense player on the team. He couldn't shoot to save his life.

Again, if you can't shoot, you can't open up the inside. There is only so much a big can do when he is constantly surrounded by 2-3 opposing players. Teams did not respect our outside shooting and they just packed it in and watched us miss.

Defensively who was Josh supposed to put in? King was good in my opinion got lost at times. Iverson could have been but I didn't really see him enough to know 100%, Woodson had issues and still needs to drop weight, Wilson maybe, I don't know why he didn't play.

Other than that Josh had no choice but to teach, preach and hope it got through.

His only other option would have been to send a message by pruposely losing 3-4 games by playing the freshmen and walk ons. I would have loved to see the reaction to that.

Give Josh a chance with these new recruits. I think these new batch of guards are going to show us what Josh is really capable of. I appreciate those players for coming here and keeping us in the tourney, I just don't think they were really ever meant for more than that.

I blame Josh for the recruiting and not getting us a TRUE PG. I do not blame Josh for the way the players played and how they played with little or no heart.

I know people think the players are a reflection of their coach. However, I have seen nothing from Josh that says he is does not have heart or is not a hard worker...

He works harder than every coach out there, he has been doing it since he was a kid. He did it at the AAU level and he did it as a walk on at Arizona. If NBA players fromt hat Arizona team say Josh was one of the main reasons they were successful and developed the way they did who is anyone here to say otherwise.

Josh is already under pressure from the fans and really just being the head coach at Memphis. Would you have rather him kicked 5 players off this team and taken 22 losses this season?

Defensively the guys were lost many times...If you set a couple of screens and next thing you know you had an open shot, that is a coaching issue...Austin was horrible on defense at the end of the year but he played waaaay more minutes than King.

We were taking far too many chances on the perimeter and we paid for it all year...

Pastner sees offense he plays guys who he feel can score.

King lost his man so many times on D; he almost singlehandledy lost the Houston game-lost Stiggers 2 straight possessions for 3's and then let him blow past him for foul. Agree that Austin wasn't great but fundamentally better.
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(04-01-2014 10:11 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 03:30 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  I do not blame Pastner 1 bit about our guards shooting. He did everything he could. If you can't shoot the ball, you can't shoot teams out of their zone and open up the inside play. If you guards/bigs do no play with intensity and get back on defense you generally sub them out. Problem is, he had no one else to put in.

I'll go ahead and be the ******* again I guess.

Crawford- did not play defense and was not consistent enough to only shoot threes. Sometimes double digit threes in a single game. I don't care about his shooting % he had games where he shot 50% and he had games where he shot 10% he wasn't consistent period.

Jackson- He played well at times but sulked to much and has done it for years. He didn't even enjoy 40% of his college time and at times that showed. That's from his own mouth. At times he looked great other times he hurt us.

Dixon- Was probably the most consistent guard we had. However, at times he hurt us bad with his hero ball.

Geron- Most intense player on the team. He couldn't shoot to save his life.

Again, if you can't shoot, you can't open up the inside. There is only so much a big can do when he is constantly surrounded by 2-3 opposing players. Teams did not respect our outside shooting and they just packed it in and watched us miss.

Defensively who was Josh supposed to put in? King was good in my opinion got lost at times. Iverson could have been but I didn't really see him enough to know 100%, Woodson had issues and still needs to drop weight, Wilson maybe, I don't know why he didn't play.

Other than that Josh had no choice but to teach, preach and hope it got through.

His only other option would have been to send a message by pruposely losing 3-4 games by playing the freshmen and walk ons. I would have loved to see the reaction to that.

Give Josh a chance with these new recruits. I think these new batch of guards are going to show us what Josh is really capable of. I appreciate those players for coming here and keeping us in the tourney, I just don't think they were really ever meant for more than that.

I blame Josh for the recruiting and not getting us a TRUE PG. I do not blame Josh for the way the players played and how they played with little or no heart.

I know people think the players are a reflection of their coach. However, I have seen nothing from Josh that says he is does not have heart or is not a hard worker...

He works harder than every coach out there, he has been doing it since he was a kid. He did it at the AAU level and he did it as a walk on at Arizona. If NBA players fromt hat Arizona team say Josh was one of the main reasons they were successful and developed the way they did who is anyone here to say otherwise.

Josh is already under pressure from the fans and really just being the head coach at Memphis. Would you have rather him kicked 5 players off this team and taken 22 losses this season?

Defensively the guys were lost many times...If you set a couple of screens and next thing you know you had an open shot, that is a coaching issue...Austin was horrible on defense at the end of the year but he played waaaay more minutes than King.

We were taking far too many chances on the perimeter and we paid for it all year...

Pastner sees offense he plays guys who he feel can score.

I do agree Pastner prefers offense to defense. However, I 100% disagree on the screen remark. The players did not switch properly, they did not fight through them and often just ball watched. That is on them.

I learned about that when I was 5 years old playing ball. Every coach I had from then until 2 years ago playing in a league in NY harped on it. I seriously doubt Pastner said "hey guys, if you get screened just stop playing defense".

That wasn't even the worst part. The worst part was a team made a few passes around the perimeter or inside out and a guy would be sitting wide open.

That is lazyness. It will happen a couple maybe 3-4 times AT most during a game. Sometimes it happened to us 20 times a game.

Again, this can be caused by 1 single player on the court at any time. Some guys were intense, bought in and played tough defense. Others DID NOT. I'll leave it at that.

Again, I wanna see what Josh can do with this new crop of players. If it's more of the same we know where the problem is. If it is different then we know who the problems were. Give Josh more time and we'll know the answers to every questions asked about him, the team, the players and so on.
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(04-01-2014 10:43 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 03:37 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(03-30-2014 10:25 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  
(03-30-2014 09:19 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  NEWSFLASH: Elite 8 teams look better than a team that went out in the Round of 32!!!!


Brilliant. This board is bringing its A game tonight.

The point of the post was not the "what" but the "why", which in my observation was toughness and intensity. Stellar reading comprehension.

No, the point of the post was to be a mopey sad-sack. We all knew that this team was not an Elite 8 type team even before the season began.

Another woe is me thread.

I think a lot of us thought this team had a real shot to get to the elite 8 before the season started.....

That's a pretty foolhardy expectation. This was a Sweet 16 team that underachied. With the right breaks, of course we could've gone farther.
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(04-02-2014 10:21 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 10:43 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 03:37 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(03-30-2014 10:25 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  
(03-30-2014 09:19 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  NEWSFLASH: Elite 8 teams look better than a team that went out in the Round of 32!!!!


Brilliant. This board is bringing its A game tonight.

The point of the post was not the "what" but the "why", which in my observation was toughness and intensity. Stellar reading comprehension.

No, the point of the post was to be a mopey sad-sack. We all knew that this team was not an Elite 8 type team even before the season began.

Another woe is me thread.

I think a lot of us thought this team had a real shot to get to the elite 8 before the season started.....

That's a pretty foolhardy expectation. This was a Sweet 16 team that underachied. With the right breaks, of course we could've gone farther.

I didn't say EXPECTED; real shot = reasonable chance. You would EXPECT a preseason top 5 team to make the E8. We were what, 13?
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(04-03-2014 08:17 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(04-02-2014 10:21 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 10:43 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 03:37 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(03-30-2014 10:25 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  The point of the post was not the "what" but the "why", which in my observation was toughness and intensity. Stellar reading comprehension.

No, the point of the post was to be a mopey sad-sack. We all knew that this team was not an Elite 8 type team even before the season began.

Another woe is me thread.

I think a lot of us thought this team had a real shot to get to the elite 8 before the season started.....

That's a pretty foolhardy expectation. This was a Sweet 16 team that underachied. With the right breaks, of course we could've gone farther.

I didn't say EXPECTED; real shot = reasonable chance. You would EXPECT a preseason top 5 team to make the E8. We were what, 13?

No, YOU may. I wouldn't.

But if I understand your point, we were 13th so we were a Sweet 16 team? Ok.
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(04-02-2014 10:02 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 10:11 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 03:30 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  I do not blame Pastner 1 bit about our guards shooting. He did everything he could. If you can't shoot the ball, you can't shoot teams out of their zone and open up the inside play. If you guards/bigs do no play with intensity and get back on defense you generally sub them out. Problem is, he had no one else to put in.

I'll go ahead and be the ******* again I guess.

Crawford- did not play defense and was not consistent enough to only shoot threes. Sometimes double digit threes in a single game. I don't care about his shooting % he had games where he shot 50% and he had games where he shot 10% he wasn't consistent period.

Jackson- He played well at times but sulked to much and has done it for years. He didn't even enjoy 40% of his college time and at times that showed. That's from his own mouth. At times he looked great other times he hurt us.

Dixon- Was probably the most consistent guard we had. However, at times he hurt us bad with his hero ball.

Geron- Most intense player on the team. He couldn't shoot to save his life.

Again, if you can't shoot, you can't open up the inside. There is only so much a big can do when he is constantly surrounded by 2-3 opposing players. Teams did not respect our outside shooting and they just packed it in and watched us miss.

Defensively who was Josh supposed to put in? King was good in my opinion got lost at times. Iverson could have been but I didn't really see him enough to know 100%, Woodson had issues and still needs to drop weight, Wilson maybe, I don't know why he didn't play.

Other than that Josh had no choice but to teach, preach and hope it got through.

His only other option would have been to send a message by pruposely losing 3-4 games by playing the freshmen and walk ons. I would have loved to see the reaction to that.

Give Josh a chance with these new recruits. I think these new batch of guards are going to show us what Josh is really capable of. I appreciate those players for coming here and keeping us in the tourney, I just don't think they were really ever meant for more than that.

I blame Josh for the recruiting and not getting us a TRUE PG. I do not blame Josh for the way the players played and how they played with little or no heart.

I know people think the players are a reflection of their coach. However, I have seen nothing from Josh that says he is does not have heart or is not a hard worker...

He works harder than every coach out there, he has been doing it since he was a kid. He did it at the AAU level and he did it as a walk on at Arizona. If NBA players fromt hat Arizona team say Josh was one of the main reasons they were successful and developed the way they did who is anyone here to say otherwise.

Josh is already under pressure from the fans and really just being the head coach at Memphis. Would you have rather him kicked 5 players off this team and taken 22 losses this season?

Defensively the guys were lost many times...If you set a couple of screens and next thing you know you had an open shot, that is a coaching issue...Austin was horrible on defense at the end of the year but he played waaaay more minutes than King.

We were taking far too many chances on the perimeter and we paid for it all year...

Pastner sees offense he plays guys who he feel can score.

I do agree Pastner prefers offense to defense. However, I 100% disagree on the screen remark. The players did not switch properly, they did not fight through them and often just ball watched. That is on them.

I learned about that when I was 5 years old playing ball. Every coach I had from then until 2 years ago playing in a league in NY harped on it. I seriously doubt Pastner said "hey guys, if you get screened just stop playing defense".

That wasn't even the worst part. The worst part was a team made a few passes around the perimeter or inside out and a guy would be sitting wide open.

That is lazyness. It will happen a couple maybe 3-4 times AT most during a game. Sometimes it happened to us 20 times a game.

Again, this can be caused by 1 single player on the court at any time. Some guys were intense, bought in and played tough defense. Others DID NOT. I'll leave it at that.

Again, I wanna see what Josh can do with this new crop of players. If it's more of the same we know where the problem is. If it is different then we know who the problems were. Give Josh more time and we'll know the answers to every questions asked about him, the team, the players and so on.

I'm sure most of you guys heard Josh's interview with Lapides a week or so ago, I pulled it up on the archive a couple of nights ago. I found it interesting in talking about defense he went on about how much they practiced the new emphasis on playing without hand checking. He mentioned that he had a conversation with Cincy Coach Mick Cronin and Mick told Josh that he wasn't changing anything, they were going to play as physical and aggressive as they did before the rule change. And they did.
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(04-03-2014 08:20 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 08:17 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(04-02-2014 10:21 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 10:43 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 03:37 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  No, the point of the post was to be a mopey sad-sack. We all knew that this team was not an Elite 8 type team even before the season began.

Another woe is me thread.

I think a lot of us thought this team had a real shot to get to the elite 8 before the season started.....

That's a pretty foolhardy expectation. This was a Sweet 16 team that underachied. With the right breaks, of course we could've gone farther.

I didn't say EXPECTED; real shot = reasonable chance. You would EXPECT a preseason top 5 team to make the E8. We were what, 13?

No, YOU may. I wouldn't.

But if I understand your point, we were 13th so we were a Sweet 16 team? Ok.

Yeah, S16 was the measuring stick for this year and for JJ and CC and to some extent GJ and MD.

And yeah, you bet your ass if we have a team that's ranked in the top 5 preseason poll I'll be looking for an appearance in the E8. It may not happen for any number of reasons but, at the beginning of the season, E8 for a top 5 team seems to be the mark.
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Just my take, but I don't think Pastner concentrates more on offense or defense. I think he thinks both are important and I think he installs schemes that he believes will help the players perform on both sides of the ball.
I simply think those schemes are terribly flawed, which is the problem. I also think it's fair to say that his personnel may have let him down when carrying out those schemes. Certainly a possibility but I don't fully believe that's true. We'll likely find that out next year.
I can't stand his substitution patterns, which also will change next year. I don't think he recognizes, at critical times, what's working and/or what changes need to be made to work.

For me, next year will tell us all if he's got it or if he doesn't.
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(04-01-2014 03:30 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  I do not blame Pastner 1 bit about our guards shooting. He did everything he could. If you can't shoot the ball, you can't shoot teams out of their zone and open up the inside play. If you guards/bigs do no play with intensity and get back on defense you generally sub them out. Problem is, he had no one else to put in.

I'll go ahead and be the ******* again I guess.

Crawford- did not play defense and was not consistent enough to only shoot threes. Sometimes double digit threes in a single game. I don't care about his shooting % he had games where he shot 50% and he had games where he shot 10% he wasn't consistent period.

Jackson- He played well at times but sulked to much and has done it for years. He didn't even enjoy 40% of his college time and at times that showed. That's from his own mouth. At times he looked great other times he hurt us.

Dixon- Was probably the most consistent guard we had. However, at times he hurt us bad with his hero ball.

Geron- Most intense player on the team. He couldn't shoot to save his life.

Again, if you can't shoot, you can't open up the inside. There is only so much a big can do when he is constantly surrounded by 2-3 opposing players. Teams did not respect our outside shooting and they just packed it in and watched us miss.

Defensively who was Josh supposed to put in? King was good in my opinion got lost at times. Iverson could have been but I didn't really see him enough to know 100%, Woodson had issues and still needs to drop weight, Wilson maybe, I don't know why he didn't play.

Other than that Josh had no choice but to teach, preach and hope it got through.

His only other option would have been to send a message by pruposely losing 3-4 games by playing the freshmen and walk ons. I would have loved to see the reaction to that.

Give Josh a chance with these new recruits. I think these new batch of guards are going to show us what Josh is really capable of. I appreciate those players for coming here and keeping us in the tourney, I just don't think they were really ever meant for more than that.

I blame Josh for the recruiting and not getting us a TRUE PG. I do not blame Josh for the way the players played and how they played with little or no heart.

I know people think the players are a reflection of their coach. However, I have seen nothing from Josh that says he is does not have heart or is not a hard worker...

He works harder than every coach out there, he has been doing it since he was a kid. He did it at the AAU level and he did it as a walk on at Arizona. If NBA players fromt hat Arizona team say Josh was one of the main reasons they were successful and developed the way they did who is anyone here to say otherwise.

Josh is already under pressure from the fans and really just being the head coach at Memphis. Would you have rather him kicked 5 players off this team and taken 22 losses this season?

Defensively the guys were lost many times...If you set a couple of screens and next thing you know you had an open shot, that is a coaching issue...Austin was horrible on defense at the end of the year but he played waaaay more minutes than King.

We were taking far too many chances on the perimeter and we paid for it all year...

Pastner sees offense he plays guys who he feel can score.

I do agree Pastner prefers offense to defense. However, I 100% disagree on the screen remark. The players did not switch properly, they did not fight through them and often just ball watched. That is on them.

I learned about that when I was 5 years old playing ball. Every coach I had from then until 2 years ago playing in a league in NY harped on it. I seriously doubt Pastner said "hey guys, if you get screened just stop playing defense".

That wasn't even the worst part. The worst part was a team made a few passes around the perimeter or inside out and a guy would be sitting wide open.

That is lazyness. It will happen a couple maybe 3-4 times AT most during a game. Sometimes it happened to us 20 times a game.

Again, this can be caused by 1 single player on the court at any time. Some guys were intense, bought in and played tough defense. Others DID NOT. I'll leave it at that.

Again, I wanna see what Josh can do with this new crop of players. If it's more of the same we know where the problem is. If it is different then we know who the problems were. Give Josh more time and we'll know the answers to every questions asked about him, the team, the players and so on.

I'm sure most of you guys heard Josh's interview with Lapides a week or so ago, I pulled it up on the archive a couple of nights ago. I found it interesting in talking about defense he went on about how much they practiced the new emphasis on playing without hand checking. He mentioned that he had a conversation with Cincy Coach Mick Cronin and Mick told Josh that he wasn't changing anything, they were going to play as physical and aggressive as they did before the rule change. And they did.

after it became obvious the referees were not going to focus on the handcheck rule, why didn't Josh simply adjust and play like everyone else?
04-04-2014 12:48 PM
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(04-04-2014 12:12 PM)450bench Wrote:  Just my take, but I don't think Pastner concentrates more on offense or defense. I think he thinks both are important and I think he installs schemes that he believes will help the players perform on both sides of the ball.
I simply think those schemes are terribly flawed, which is the problem. I also think it's fair to say that his personnel may have let him down when carrying out those schemes. Certainly a possibility but I don't fully believe that's true. We'll likely find that out next year.
I can't stand his substitution patterns, which also will change next year. I don't think he recognizes, at critical times, what's working and/or what changes need to be made to work.

For me, next year will tell us all if he's got it or if he doesn't.

The next two seasons will really tell a lot about how he matures and progresses as a coach. And also how the 2010 recruiting class is viewed. Did they hamper his coaching or not?
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(04-03-2014 08:20 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(04-03-2014 08:17 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(04-02-2014 10:21 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
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(04-01-2014 03:37 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  No, the point of the post was to be a mopey sad-sack. We all knew that this team was not an Elite 8 type team even before the season began.

Another woe is me thread.

I think a lot of us thought this team had a real shot to get to the elite 8 before the season started.....

That's a pretty foolhardy expectation. This was a Sweet 16 team that underachied. With the right breaks, of course we could've gone farther.

I didn't say EXPECTED; real shot = reasonable chance. You would EXPECT a preseason top 5 team to make the E8. We were what, 13?

No, YOU may. I wouldn't.

But if I understand your point, we were 13th so we were a Sweet 16 team? Ok.

Well we were in the top 20 just about all year and received at 29-32 seed. Remember, rankings don't matter. Unless they do.
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