on smackdown.

Seems like a pretty good description of the recent storylines and direction of the show.

The Wyatt family, Daniel Bryan's struggles with HHH and Stephanie, Sheamus, Cena's increasing polarizing effect, the more modern Brock Lesner, The Sheild.

I thought the Cena/Punk feud over a year ago was more of a reality storyline.

The fans seem to be changing and reacting to the more real storylines.

The Shield, the Wyatts, CM Punk and Daniel Bryant are SO much more colorful and interesting that Cena, Batista, or even Randy Orton.

Punk just needs to get his head out of his ass. I think he's got his point across and that's why Bryan is going to beat HHH and be in the title match.

CM Punk, Daniel Bryan and even Dolf Ziggler seem to get the biggest pop from the crowds now.

The Sheild and the Wyatts are just must see TV. Think how much more bland the show would be without those two groups......

I'm sorry, but the words 'wrestling' and 'reality' have absilutely no business being used in the same sentence. That's not a knock on anyone that enjoys it, but Vince didn't change the name to WWE for no reason. It had nothing to do with wildlife, no matter what they may have told you.

(03-29-2014 05:22 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  I'm sorry, but the words 'wrestling' and 'reality' have absilutely no business being used in the same sentence. That's not a knock on anyone that enjoys it, but Vince didn't change the name to WWE for no reason. It had nothing to do with wildlife, no matter what they may have told you.

Its a description of the type of storylines they are putting out now, my friend. Its not a suggestion that wrestling is suddenly real now. (cant believe I had to type that)

So called "reality" TV is really huge right now and they are trying to fit the changing TV audience.

I'm sorry, I just assumed you already understood all that.

I'm sorry too. My enjoyment for wrestling ended with Monday nights at the Coliseum. I'll try to watch it again and see what I'm missing. However, the last time I turned it on looked like the same show I tried to watch 5 years before that. Don't they ever get new wrestlers?

(03-29-2014 09:09 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  I'm sorry too. My enjoyment for wrestling ended with Monday nights at the Coliseum. I'll try to watch it again and see what I'm missing. However, the last time I turned it on looked like the same show I tried to watch 5 years before that. Don't they ever get new wrestlers?

Actually the show is loaded with new stars now. The Wyatt Family, The Shield, Daniel Bryan, Dolf Ziggler, Sheamus, CM Punk (if he returns).

That's why its being called a new "era" with all the new stars they have added the last few years. There is only a small handful of the previous generation still in the main even mix, such as Cena, Orton, Batista and a couple others. None of those guys are getting a "pop" from the crowd anymore like the new guys are.

We are right in the middle of a big changeover of stars.

If you haven't watch it lately, you haven't really seen what is happening because its a pretty recent change.

Its become really apparent just in the last 12-18 months or so.

(03-29-2014 01:47 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  on smackdown.

Seems like a pretty good description of the recent storylines and direction of the show.

The Wyatt family, Daniel Bryan's struggles with HHH and Stephanie, Sheamus, Cena's increasing polarizing effect, the more modern Brock Lesner, The Sheild.

I thought the Cena/Punk feud over a year ago was more of a reality storyline.

The fans seem to be changing and reacting to the more real storylines.

The Shield, the Wyatts, CM Punk and Daniel Bryant are SO much more colorful and interesting that Cena, Batista, or even Randy Orton.

Punk just needs to get his head out of his ass. I think he's got his point across and that's why Bryan is going to beat HHH and be in the title match.

Think it has more to do with the many reality shows they have in production on the air and on their web net.

this all belongs in the NBA forum

I call it the non wrestling era. I have not watched the WWE in over 10 years. Yes, I am a wrestling fan.

I make a little extra effort and follow Ring of Honor and New Japan. If you a wrestling fan check them out.

(03-30-2014 08:34 AM)First Family Forever Wrote:  I call it the non wrestling era. I have not watched the WWE in over 10 years. Yes, I am a wrestling fan.

I make a little extra effort and follow Ring of Honor and New Japan. If you a wrestling fan check them out.

WWF used to be a complete joke. Came to Memphis one time back in early days and had more people working back stage than they did in stands. If the territories had of decided to work together at the time they could have put the WWF out of business. Goofy storylines. Later on during the Monday Night s Wars WCW was a much better product and was winning the war with college age students. Then WWF played a card that WCW could not do. There were suddenly a lot of wardrobe malfunctions. WCW as a subsidiary of Time Warner could not go as sleazy.

No idea why there was no legal challenge to the WWE purchasing WCW. With the purchase of ECW and WCW the WWE has an unofficial monopoly of the market. Especially considering their developmental contract with so many indi promotions. Has gotten very stale lately but when all you have to go against is Impact/TNA you can get stale and still come out ahead. They are more focus on their reality shows and interactive productions than the actual in ring product.

Also would be interesting to see if all these interactive polls by the fans to choose the matches are actually true polls or if they just put up the results they want to see. Kind of hard to believe they can script out three different scenarios each time they put up a poll. Seeing they are a publicly traded company now an investigation would raise a few eyebrows.

A number of financial experts have some serious questions about the financial trends of the WWE. Their main money maker for 30 years have been thei PPV events and now they change it so you can pay $9.95 a month and get to watch any event you want. They are going to have to see millions of additional $9.95 purchases to make up for the losses in PPV numbers.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2100233-...gs-quality

I think Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock played a more significant role in winning the monday night wars then a few T and A shots.

The storylines in the WWE just overtook the WCW in late 1997 or so.

Better storylines, bigger stars, a better and edgier product combined with terrible WCW management all played a role there.

(03-30-2014 04:02 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  I think Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock played a more significant role in winning the monday night wars then a few T and A shots.

The storylines in the WWE just overtook the WCW in late 1997 or so.

Better storylines, bigger stars, a better and edgier product combined with terrible WCW management all played a role there.

My problem with the WWE was the recycling of semi-stars.

I was once a die hard wrestling fan and after WCW went under WWE got really stale.

The Rock and Stone Cold types could carry a show no matter the storyline but the forced stars of the past few years lost me.

I recently started to get mildly interested again with the new blood (CM Punk, Bryan, etc) but I am seeing the same old pattern re-emerging with the Orton push and Batista in the main event program.

These are guys that were never the biggest stars but keep getting rammed down our throats, and if Triple H wins at Mania, then they will have lost any small interest I may have regained in that product. Possibly forever.

(03-30-2014 09:25 PM)Blackman Wrote:  

(03-30-2014 04:02 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  I think Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock played a more significant role in winning the monday night wars then a few T and A shots.

The storylines in the WWE just overtook the WCW in late 1997 or so.

Better storylines, bigger stars, a better and edgier product combined with terrible WCW management all played a role there.

My problem with the WWE was the recycling of semi-stars.

I was once a die hard wrestling fan and after WCW went under WWE got really stale.

The Rock and Stone Cold types could carry a show no matter the storyline but the forced stars of the past few years lost me.

I recently started to get mildly interested again with the new blood (CM Punk, Bryan, etc) but I am seeing the same old pattern re-emerging with the Orton push and Batista in the main event program.

These are guys that were never the biggest stars but keep getting rammed down our throats, and if Triple H wins at Mania, then they will have lost any small interest I may have regained in that product. Possibly forever.

I think everyone feels that way in some respects.

But I'll be surprised if Bryan doesn't win the world title at mania.

I see no other reason to even have him in the match.

(03-30-2014 01:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-30-2014 08:34 AM)First Family Forever Wrote:  I call it the non wrestling era. I have not watched the WWE in over 10 years. Yes, I am a wrestling fan.

I make a little extra effort and follow Ring of Honor and New Japan. If you a wrestling fan check them out.

WWF used to be a complete joke. Came to Memphis one time back in early days and had more people working back stage than they did in stands. If the territories had of decided to work together at the time they could have put the WWF out of business. Goofy storylines. Later on during the Monday Night s Wars WCW was a much better product and was winning the war with college age students. Then WWF played a card that WCW could not do. There were suddenly a lot of wardrobe malfunctions. WCW as a subsidiary of Time Warner could not go as sleazy.

No idea why there was no legal challenge to the WWE purchasing WCW. With the purchase of ECW and WCW the WWE has an unofficial monopoly of the market. Especially considering their developmental contract with so many indi promotions. Has gotten very stale lately but when all you have to go against is Impact/TNA you can get stale and still come out ahead. They are more focus on their reality shows and interactive productions than the actual in ring product.

Also would be interesting to see if all these interactive polls by the fans to choose the matches are actually true polls or if they just put up the results they want to see. Kind of hard to believe they can script out three different scenarios each time they put up a poll. Seeing they are a publicly traded company now an investigation would raise a few eyebrows.

A number of financial experts have some serious questions about the financial trends of the WWE. Their main money maker for 30 years have been thei PPV events and now they change it so you can pay $9.95 a month and get to watch any event you want. They are going to have to see millions of additional $9.95 purchases to make up for the losses in PPV numbers.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2100233-...gs-quality

Well the WWE did not really buy WCW . Time Warner purchased Turner Broadcasting and just shut WCW down. The footage and trademarks were sold to the WWE for $ 1 million . The WWE claims that they WCW sold out to them , but it is revisionist history . WCW could have continue but Time Warmer wanted no part of the wresting business.

Time Warner was stuck with the long contracts of a lot of high price wrestlers . The WWE refused to take on any of the high price WCW contracts.

As for ECW , they filed for bankruptcy . The WWE purchased their trademarks and footage at auction. However the footage was actually owned by ECW's VHS tape producer, RF Video. RF Video continues to sell ECW DVDS to this day . A deal is in place that allows the WWE to use the ECW footage.

As far as the WWE being a monopoly , they are in the USA. However , I don't think anyone will file any legal challenge .

New Japan Pro Wrestling is the second largest wrestling promotion in the world. NJPW works with Mexico City based CMLL , the world oldest promotion.

TNA is number two in the USA. However they are propped up by their Viacom deal. Word is that TNA will be off of Spike tv this fall . The WWE is trying to take their deal with Viacom. Without their tv deal TNA is dead in the water.

Ring of Honor is the number three USA promotion. They are owned by Sinclair Broadcasting. ROH is seen on free broadcast tv in over 60 % of the nation. ROH house shows draw much better than TNA. They cater to fans of traditional wrestling. ROH and NJPW are co-promoting in the USA . They should eventually over take TNA for the number two spot. NJPW wants a US foothold, so they are partnering with ROH .

Also Jeff Jarrett and Toby Keith are starting a promotion. The show is rumored to air on CMT. Keith is the money man. So the WWE does have some USA competition , but they still control the market.


I think the WWE will eventually to be sold off to a larger company.Think Disney , NBC Universal or Viacom. That is the only reason to have any stock.

(03-30-2014 10:51 PM)First Family Forever Wrote:  
I think the WWE will eventually to be sold off to a larger company.Think Disney , NBC Universal or Viacom. That is the only reason to have any stock.

Never going to happen as long as Vince or his children own the company.

(03-30-2014 10:51 PM)First Family Forever Wrote:  

(03-30-2014 01:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-30-2014 08:34 AM)First Family Forever Wrote:  I call it the non wrestling era. I have not watched the WWE in over 10 years. Yes, I am a wrestling fan.

I make a little extra effort and follow Ring of Honor and New Japan. If you a wrestling fan check them out.

WWF used to be a complete joke. Came to Memphis one time back in early days and had more people working back stage than they did in stands. If the territories had of decided to work together at the time they could have put the WWF out of business. Goofy storylines. Later on during the Monday Night s Wars WCW was a much better product and was winning the war with college age students. Then WWF played a card that WCW could not do. There were suddenly a lot of wardrobe malfunctions. WCW as a subsidiary of Time Warner could not go as sleazy.

No idea why there was no legal challenge to the WWE purchasing WCW. With the purchase of ECW and WCW the WWE has an unofficial monopoly of the market. Especially considering their developmental contract with so many indi promotions. Has gotten very stale lately but when all you have to go against is Impact/TNA you can get stale and still come out ahead. They are more focus on their reality shows and interactive productions than the actual in ring product.

Also would be interesting to see if all these interactive polls by the fans to choose the matches are actually true polls or if they just put up the results they want to see. Kind of hard to believe they can script out three different scenarios each time they put up a poll. Seeing they are a publicly traded company now an investigation would raise a few eyebrows.

A number of financial experts have some serious questions about the financial trends of the WWE. Their main money maker for 30 years have been thei PPV events and now they change it so you can pay $9.95 a month and get to watch any event you want. They are going to have to see millions of additional $9.95 purchases to make up for the losses in PPV numbers.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2100233-...gs-quality

Well the WWE did not really buy WCW . Time Warner purchased Turner Broadcasting and just shut WCW down. The footage and trademarks were sold to the WWE for $ 1 million . The WWE claims that they WCW sold out to them , but it is revisionist history . WCW could have continue but Time Warmer wanted no part of the wresting business.

Time Warner was stuck with the long contracts of a lot of high price wrestlers . The WWE refused to take on any of the high price WCW contracts.

As for ECW , they filed for bankruptcy . The WWE purchased their trademarks and footage at auction. However the footage was actually owned by ECW's VHS tape producer, RF Video. RF Video continues to sell ECW DVDS to this day . A deal is in place that allows the WWE to use the ECW footage.

As far as the WWE being a monopoly , they are in the USA. However , I don't think anyone will file any legal challenge .

New Japan Pro Wrestling is the second largest wrestling promotion in the world. NJPW works with Mexico City based CMLL , the world oldest promotion.

TNA is number two in the USA. However they are propped up by their Viacom deal. Word is that TNA will be off of Spike tv this fall . The WWE is trying to take their deal with Viacom. Without their tv deal TNA is dead in the water.

Ring of Honor is the number three USA promotion. They are owned by Sinclair Broadcasting. ROH is seen on free broadcast tv in over 60 % of the nation. ROH house shows draw much better than TNA. They cater to fans of traditional wrestling. ROH and NJPW are co-promoting in the USA . They should eventually over take TNA for the number two spot. NJPW wants a US foothold, so they are partnering with ROH .

Also Jeff Jarrett and Toby Keith are starting a promotion. The show is rumored to air on CMT. Keith is the money man. So the WWE does have some USA competition , but they still control the market.


I think the WWE will eventually to be sold off to a larger company.Think Disney , NBC Universal or Viacom. That is the only reason to have any stock.

Anything new on TV contract. Last i heard they moved to open negotiations after NBCU allowed the deadline to pass for their exclusive negotiating rights. The demands for around $300 million a year seems to be a lot for the product.

Stone Cold and the Rock both did things that TW could not allow on WCW. While not directly prohibited by FCC. WCW wasn't going to allow a wrestler to guzzle beer on air. WWF had no one to answer to but themselves when it came to what lines they woudl and woudl not cross.

(03-31-2014 12:35 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(03-30-2014 10:51 PM)First Family Forever Wrote:  
I think the WWE will eventually to be sold off to a larger company.Think Disney , NBC Universal or Viacom. That is the only reason to have any stock.

Never going to happen as long as Vince or his children own the company.

No you are wrong. Stephanie has already sold most of her stock. When Vince passes on the odds are that his family will cash in and unload the company. The WWW is Vince , when he is no longer around they should sell.

(03-31-2014 03:23 PM)First Family Forever Wrote:  No you are wrong. Stephanie has already sold most of her stock. When Vince passes on the odds are that his family will cash in and unload the company. The WWW is Vince , when he is no longer around they should sell.

Child please

She sold about 1/3rd of her stock.

I could also point out that WWE stock is near an all time high right now and she is just being smart and selling high. Its well known that she is building a a massively expensive new home and she is doing this to bankroll it.

Vince holds all the cards and 87% of all the power. The shares she is selling was likely for just this occasion all along.

When he kicks, she takes over all of Vince's shares and control.

(03-31-2014 04:18 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 03:23 PM)First Family Forever Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 12:35 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(03-30-2014 10:51 PM)First Family Forever Wrote:  
I think the WWE will eventually to be sold off to a larger company.Think Disney , NBC Universal or Viacom. That is the only reason to have any stock.

Never going to happen as long as Vince or his children own the company.

No you are wrong. Stephanie has already sold most of her stock. When Vince passes on the odds are that his family will cash in and unload the company. The WWW is Vince , when he is no longer around they should sell.

Please

Selling her stock today does not prove this.

I could also point out that WWE stock is at an all time high right now and she is just being smart and selling high. Its well known that she is building a a massively expensive new home and she is doing this to bankroll it.

Vince holds all the cards and 87% of all the power. The shares she is selling was likely for just this occasion all along.

When he kicks, she takes over all of Vince's shares and control.

We shall see . You assume that Stephanie , Linda and Shane shared Vince's passion for the business. Well they don't . No one does , not even . They will have to sell one day , they might as well get a big pay day.

(03-31-2014 04:52 PM)First Family Forever Wrote:  We shall see . You assume that Stephanie , Linda and Shane shared Vince's passion for the business. Well they don't . No one does , not even . They will have to sell one day , they might as well get a big pay day.

WOW

We just seriously disagree. Stephanie grew up in the business and even married one of the biggest wrestling stars of this era. Her entire life and career is the WWE and pro wrestling entertainment. It has been since she was a child. To say she doesn't exude a serious passion for the WWE is just rather absurd. She is obviously the heir to the throne.

Either way, this is nothing but wild speculation.