Kind of getting into the last post about transfers a little late but.....I thnk some people are confusing being a bad coach and being a bad guy! Nobody likes to sit on the bench especially when you've been told other things. It's none of my business what may have transpired between Lemon and Coach K...all I'm really concerned with as a Rocket fan is WINS. Some coaches try and use there whole bench. I watched the Wisconsin game this past week-end and it appeared Bo Ryan substituted frequently. What gets me and it has to get to the bench players is..... putting a guy in with 1 minute left in the game. I watched all of the Toledo games on the web this past year and Coach K does this a lot.

A couple interesting things about the Wiscobnsin/\Arizona game and how it relates to Toledo. The announcers commented that if you make a mistake Ryan pulls you from the game. The players go to the bench instinctively...knowing that they're going to get pulled anyway. Knowing this, in their post game comments most of the players said they wanted to win the game for Coach Ryan. I guess you can be tough and still liked by your players. I can't rember vtoo many of the post game comments made by UT players. I also noticed two of the players on Wisconsin's roster were from Toledo ......to bad we couldn't recruit them.

(03-31-2014 08:51 AM)Manorhouse guy Wrote:  Kind of getting into the last post about transfers a little late but.....I thnk some people are confusing being a bad coach and being a bad guy! Nobody likes to sit on the bench especially when you've been told other things. It's none of my business what may have transpired between Lemon and Coach K...all I'm really concerned with as a Rocket fan is WINS. Some coaches try and use there whole bench. I watched the Wisconsin game this past week-end and it appeared Bo Ryan substituted frequently. What gets me and it has to get to the bench players is..... putting a guy in with 1 minute left in the game. I watched all of the Toledo games on the web this past year and Coach K does this a lot.

A couple interesting things about the Wiscobnsin/\Arizona game and how it relates to Toledo. The announcers commented that if you make a mistake Ryan pulls you from the game. The players go to the bench instinctively...knowing that they're going to get pulled anyway. Knowing this, in their post game comments most of the players said they wanted to win the game for Coach Ryan. I guess you can be tough and still liked by your players. I can't rember vtoo many of the post game comments made by UT players. I also noticed two of the players on Wisconsin's roster were from Toledo ......to bad we couldn't recruit them.

Your comments speak to some of my concerns as well. I agree with you about the distinction between being a good coach and being a good guy. I would like to believe that in the long run being a good guy is important to success, whether it is in coaching or some other field, but I guess that's not necessarily the case.

I've tried to like TK, but I just don't. I do acknowledge that he has been a good coach at UT and that he's turned the program around in a major way. But I don't like the way he bad-mouths his players publicly, the way he is so thin-skinned with reporters and other coaches, and the way he has chased so many players off. I think he treated Hayden Humes and Richard Wonnell poorly. I know for some people if the team wins nothing else matters, but I just have a hard time rooting for this guy.

(03-31-2014 11:57 AM)Dwight Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 08:51 AM)Manorhouse guy Wrote:  Kind of getting into the last post about transfers a little late but.....I thnk some people are confusing being a bad coach and being a bad guy! Nobody likes to sit on the bench especially when you've been told other things. It's none of my business what may have transpired between Lemon and Coach K...all I'm really concerned with as a Rocket fan is WINS. Some coaches try and use there whole bench. I watched the Wisconsin game this past week-end and it appeared Bo Ryan substituted frequently. What gets me and it has to get to the bench players is..... putting a guy in with 1 minute left in the game. I watched all of the Toledo games on the web this past year and Coach K does this a lot.

A couple interesting things about the Wiscobnsin/\Arizona game and how it relates to Toledo. The announcers commented that if you make a mistake Ryan pulls you from the game. The players go to the bench instinctively...knowing that they're going to get pulled anyway. Knowing this, in their post game comments most of the players said they wanted to win the game for Coach Ryan. I guess you can be tough and still liked by your players. I can't rember vtoo many of the post game comments made by UT players. I also noticed two of the players on Wisconsin's roster were from Toledo ......to bad we couldn't recruit them.

Your comments speak to some of my concerns as well. I agree with you about the distinction between being a good coach and being a good guy. I would like to believe that in the long run being a good guy is important to success, whether it is in coaching or some other field, but I guess that's not necessarily the case.

I've tried to like TK, but I just don't. I do acknowledge that he has been a good coach at UT and that he's turned the program around in a major way. But I don't like the way he bad-mouths his players publicly, the way he is so thin-skinned with reporters and other coaches, and the way he has chased so many players off. I think he treated Hayden Humes and Richard Wonnell poorly. I know for some people if the team wins nothing else matters, but I just have a hard time rooting for this guy.

Someone mentioned this above that after watching some of the tournament games on TV that without a big...we would never be able to advance in the tourney. This was pointed out in the tourney game against WMich. I watched two of Dayton's tourney games and they didn't have that much height either but the quality of their players seemed way above those at UT. We've gotten better but Ithink the MAC as a whole isn't getting the quality athletes that other conferences are getting and that is the reason we seldom advance beyond the first game. This year several mid majors moved on in the tourney and I was really impressed with their team speed and athleticism. Something that I didn't see in the MAC games that I watched this year.

After watching a fair amount of the NIT and NCAA tournament (even though I said I didn't have much interest after my hopes of Toledo playing we're dashed - LOL), I was pretty impressed with the A-10 teams. Toledo had a nice season, and I am looking forward to the growth under coach K. One characteristic I like about coach K is that he is who he appears to be. I don't know him personally, but what I have seen and heard is that he knows what he wants and doesn't mess around with. Doesn't it make sense to not get close to guys you know won't be a good fit, and may be moving on. That leads to less conflict for the player, actually. Most good coaches are respected for expecting a higher standard. He is good for the program. I have to admit, Toledo has been challenged this year by some guys that moved on. Regardless, coach K seems to understand his direction and is constantly trying to upgrade the team. It is working.

I do like Coach K this is not your Fathers division 1 it after a couple of years they don't get a lot of playing time they move on. I loved Lemons defense but he saw the writing on the wall he wasn't going to play so he is moving on. I don't feel like many people posting about Aubrey Williams he is still so young I think he can help us his junior and senior years.

(03-31-2014 08:51 AM)Manorhouse guy Wrote:  Kind of getting into the last post about transfers a little late but.....I thnk some people are confusing being a bad coach and being a bad guy! Nobody likes to sit on the bench especially when you've been told other things. It's none of my business what may have transpired between Lemon and Coach K...all I'm really concerned with as a Rocket fan is WINS. Some coaches try and use there whole bench. I watched the Wisconsin game this past week-end and it appeared Bo Ryan substituted frequently. What gets me and it has to get to the bench players is..... putting a guy in with 1 minute left in the game. I watched all of the Toledo games on the web this past year and Coach K does this a lot.

A couple interesting things about the Wiscobnsin/\Arizona game and how it relates to Toledo. The announcers commented that if you make a mistake Ryan pulls you from the game. The players go to the bench instinctively...knowing that they're going to get pulled anyway. Knowing this, in their post game comments most of the players said they wanted to win the game for Coach Ryan. I guess you can be tough and still liked by your players. I can't rember vtoo many of the post game comments made by UT players. I also noticed two of the players on Wisconsin's roster were from Toledo ......to bad we couldn't recruit them.

Lemons chose, himself, to RS this year. So he can't complain about not playing this year.

(03-31-2014 11:57 AM)Dwight Wrote:  Your comments speak to some of my concerns as well. I agree with you about the distinction between being a good coach and being a good guy. I would like to believe that in the long run being a good guy is important to success, whether it is in coaching or some other field, but I guess that's not necessarily the case.

I've tried to like TK, but I just don't. I do acknowledge that he has been a good coach at UT and that he's turned the program around in a major way. But I don't like the way he bad-mouths his players publicly, the way he is so thin-skinned with reporters and other coaches, and the way he has chased so many players off. I think he treated Hayden Humes and Richard Wonnell poorly. I know for some people if the team wins nothing else matters, but I just have a hard time rooting for this guy.

I wouldn't say that TK saying to the media that this guy played bad, this guy didn't have his mind right, etc. is bad mouthing players publicly. He's just telling it like he sees it. Now if he came out and said this person cost us the game, that would be different, but I don't believe he has ever said that.

And how is he thin-skinned with reporters and other coaches? The only issue I've seen him have with another coach (or media) is Bobby Hurley at Buffalo, and practically the entire MAC has a beef with him.

Dayton got where they got to by busting their ass. They played hard on every possession and d-ed up.

(03-31-2014 05:48 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 08:51 AM)Manorhouse guy Wrote:  Kind of getting into the last post about transfers a little late but.....I thnk some people are confusing being a bad coach and being a bad guy! Nobody likes to sit on the bench especially when you've been told other things. It's none of my business what may have transpired between Lemon and Coach K...all I'm really concerned with as a Rocket fan is WINS. Some coaches try and use there whole bench. I watched the Wisconsin game this past week-end and it appeared Bo Ryan substituted frequently. What gets me and it has to get to the bench players is..... putting a guy in with 1 minute left in the game. I watched all of the Toledo games on the web this past year and Coach K does this a lot.

A couple interesting things about the Wiscobnsin/\Arizona game and how it relates to Toledo. The announcers commented that if you make a mistake Ryan pulls you from the game. The players go to the bench instinctively...knowing that they're going to get pulled anyway. Knowing this, in their post game comments most of the players said they wanted to win the game for Coach Ryan. I guess you can be tough and still liked by your players. I can't rember vtoo many of the post game comments made by UT players. I also noticed two of the players on Wisconsin's roster were from Toledo ......to bad we couldn't recruit them.

Lemons chose, himself, to RS this year. So he can't complain about not playing this year.

(03-31-2014 11:57 AM)Dwight Wrote:  Your comments speak to some of my concerns as well. I agree with you about the distinction between being a good coach and being a good guy. I would like to believe that in the long run being a good guy is important to success, whether it is in coaching or some other field, but I guess that's not necessarily the case.

I've tried to like TK, but I just don't. I do acknowledge that he has been a good coach at UT and that he's turned the program around in a major way. But I don't like the way he bad-mouths his players publicly, the way he is so thin-skinned with reporters and other coaches, and the way he has chased so many players off. I think he treated Hayden Humes and Richard Wonnell poorly. I know for some people if the team wins nothing else matters, but I just have a hard time rooting for this guy.

I wouldn't say that TK saying to the media that this guy played bad, this guy didn't have his mind right, etc. is bad mouthing players publicly. He's just telling it like he sees it. Now if he came out and said this person cost us the game, that would be different, but I don't believe he has ever said that.

And how is he thin-skinned with reporters and other coaches? The only issue I've seen him have with another coach (or media) is Bobby Hurley at Buffalo, and practically the entire MAC has a beef with him.

Coach K talking about specific players is a good thing in my book. Campbell rarely seems to call out a player so you never know what he's thinking.

BTW, Coach K has kind of a gruff personality, but I believe he's tried to change, and that's positive.

(03-31-2014 07:03 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Coach K talking about specific players is a good thing in my book. Campbell rarely seems to call out a player so you never know what he's thinking.

I agree. It seems like Campbell is never tough on his players - always saying 'we'll get 'em next time'. No tough love.

(03-31-2014 07:02 PM)adunifon Wrote:  Dayton got where they got to by busting their ass. They played hard on every possession and d-ed up.

This. +1, no need to say more.


Personally, I like Coach K. He's brought this program up from, well you guys know where we were at, and he seems to be really appreciative of the support (e.g. he says hello and thank you to the student section, thanks the fans on the post-game interview). I only hope he can keep progressing his team to become even better. This city needs a championship.