Holder says feds will recognize Michigan same-sex marriages despite governor's decision

Once again, Holder is abusing his power and going over anyone who disagrees with him. Sorry S.O.B.

"Holder's action on Friday enables the government to extend eligibility for federal benefits to the couples. It came two days after Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder said Michigan won't recognize the marriages performed last weekend. U.S. District Judge Bernard Friedman struck down the gay marriage ban the day before."

bull**** LSU. You're clueless. The governor is just plain wrong here. Snyder announced that the marriages were legal and then said they won't be recognized. You can't have both gov...sorry.

(03-28-2014 09:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  bull**** LSU. You're clueless. The governor is just plain wrong here. Snyder announced that the marriages were legal and then said they won't be recognized. You can't have both gov...sorry.

What he last said is the law until it's changed...



Or.......until some power abusing moron comes along and says who cares what you say, I'm the boss and I say it'll be recognized.... Let the courts handle it, that's what I always hear from the left.

(03-28-2014 09:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  bull**** LSU. You're clueless. The governor is just plain wrong here. Snyder announced that the marriages were legal and then said they won't be recognized. You can't have both gov...sorry.

Enforcement mechanism?

(03-28-2014 10:18 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 09:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  bull**** LSU. You're clueless. The governor is just plain wrong here. Snyder announced that the marriages were legal and then said they won't be recognized. You can't have both gov...sorry.

What he last said is the law until it's changed...



Or.......until some power abusing moron comes along and says who cares what you say, I'm the boss and I say it'll be recognized.... Let the courts handle it, that's what I always hear from the left.

It's the governor "abusing power" here. I agree with Redwingtom - the governor can't sit there and say that the marriages are legal but then turn around and say that the state won't recognize them. WTF does that mean? He would have been better off taking an all-or-nothing stance (even if I would have personally disagreed with taking an anti-gay marriage position and not recognizing them as legal, it would at least have been more consistent). Holder's position is entirely consistent - if the marriages are legal (which the governor himself has stated is true), then they should receive the same federal benefits and protections as any other legally-recognized married couple. Whether new marriages of the same type going forward are now being challenged is irrelevant with the respect to the ones that were already made legal.

I'm sorry but it is the AG that is abusing authority and not the governor. And let's be honest, the stay should have been put in place immediately after the ruling to avoid this kind of legal limbo. But, until the courts resolve the issue, Holder is overstepping his authority because the last time I looked he lacked the authority to determine which marriages are valid and which are not. The last SCOTUS ruling placed that authority solely in the hands of the state, and IMO, wrongly stripped the federal government of the authority to clarify its definition of marriage for the purposes of its statues. But, that's the ruling we got. So, if MI doesn't recognize the marriages, then they are not married for federal purposes.

(03-28-2014 10:50 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 10:18 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 09:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  bull**** LSU. You're clueless. The governor is just plain wrong here. Snyder announced that the marriages were legal and then said they won't be recognized. You can't have both gov...sorry.

What he last said is the law until it's changed...



Or.......until some power abusing moron comes along and says who cares what you say, I'm the boss and I say it'll be recognized.... Let the courts handle it, that's what I always hear from the left.

It's the governor "abusing power" here. I agree with Redwingtom - the governor can't sit there and say that the marriages are legal but then turn around and say that the state won't recognize them. WTF does that mean? He would have been better off taking an all-or-nothing stance (even if I would have personally disagreed with taking an anti-gay marriage position and not recognizing them as legal, it would at least have been more consistent). Holder's position is entirely consistent - if the marriages are legal (which the governor himself has stated is true), then they should receive the same federal benefits and protections as any other legally-recognized married couple. Whether new marriages of the same type going forward are now being challenged is irrelevant with the respect to the ones that were already made legal.

No, Holder, as always, abused his power. It's not up to him who makes and breaks the law in MI. Do you want to bet that if there was a ban on it and he unlawfully lifted it, that Holder would have even said anything? He only abuses his power when it's in disagreeance of him. He's a freaking idiot and a disgrace. The governer says it's not recognized, so both Holder, and that couple can both suck a wang. And like the left LOVES to say, it's up to the courts... Funny how it's not up to the courts when it's not in agreeance with them.

(03-28-2014 11:02 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  I'm sorry but it is the AG that is abusing authority and not the governor. And let's be honest, the stay should have been put in place immediately after the ruling to avoid this kind of legal limbo. But, until the courts resolve the issue, Holder is overstepping his authority because the last time I looked he lacked the authority to determine which marriages are valid and which are not. The last SCOTUS ruling placed that authority solely in the hands of the state, and IMO, wrongly stripped the federal government of the authority to clarify its definition of marriage for the purposes of its statues. But, that's the ruling we got. So, if MI doesn't recognize the marriages, then they are not married for federal purposes.

You got it...

(03-28-2014 09:31 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Holder says feds will recognize Michigan same-sex marriages despite governor's decision

Once again, Holder is abusing his power and going over anyone who disagrees with him. Sorry S.O.B.

"Holder's action on Friday enables the government to extend eligibility for federal benefits to the couples. It came two days after Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder said Michigan won't recognize the marriages performed last weekend. U.S. District Judge Bernard Friedman struck down the gay marriage ban the day before."

As well they should.

(03-28-2014 10:50 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 10:18 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 09:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  bull**** LSU. You're clueless. The governor is just plain wrong here. Snyder announced that the marriages were legal and then said they won't be recognized. You can't have both gov...sorry.

What he last said is the law until it's changed...



Or.......until some power abusing moron comes along and says who cares what you say, I'm the boss and I say it'll be recognized.... Let the courts handle it, that's what I always hear from the left.

It's the governor "abusing power" here. I agree with Redwingtom - the governor can't sit there and say that the marriages are legal but then turn around and say that the state won't recognize them. WTF does that mean? He would have been better off taking an all-or-nothing stance (even if I would have personally disagreed with taking an anti-gay marriage position and not recognizing them as legal, it would at least have been more consistent). Holder's position is entirely consistent - if the marriages are legal (which the governor himself has stated is true), then they should receive the same federal benefits and protections as any other legally-recognized married couple. Whether new marriages of the same type going forward are now being challenged is irrelevant with the respect to the ones that were already made legal.

It means the people of Michigan have spoken and what the federal govt is doing is dictating to the states. Why even have laws or votes if this is the America that we must live in. Figure it out.

(03-28-2014 01:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It means the people of Michigan have spoken and what the federal govt is doing is dictating to the states. Why even have laws or votes if this is the America that we must live in. Figure it out.

What should scare you more in these gay marriage cases is that Courts are not interpreting the state Constitutions, they are overriding Constitutions. Voters went through the process to amend their Constitutions and Courts are ignoring these amendments that are supreme in the states. So, if the Courts can invalidate Constitutional provisions, you have to ask what limits do they actually have and are they really interpreting or legislating?

So, what is the Fed actually recognizing here and what difference does it make federally?

(03-28-2014 01:15 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 09:31 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Holder says feds will recognize Michigan same-sex marriages despite governor's decision

Once again, Holder is abusing his power and going over anyone who disagrees with him. Sorry S.O.B.

"Holder's action on Friday enables the government to extend eligibility for federal benefits to the couples. It came two days after Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder said Michigan won't recognize the marriages performed last weekend. U.S. District Judge Bernard Friedman struck down the gay marriage ban the day before."

As well they should.

Figures...