Cincinnati comes in at #62. I think in previous years we were higher up on the list (and I would argue we are a much better gig than some of the programs ahead of us) but I am guessing the conference situation weighs heavy on this positioning.


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(03-27-2014 03:31 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Cincinnati comes in at #62. I think in previous years we were higher up on the list (and I would argue we are a much better gig than some of the programs ahead of us) but I am guessing the conference situation weighs heavy on this positioning.


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I think they got it about right. With UC's conference, fan support etc that is about where I would expect. Put UC in the P5, I think it jumps 10+ spots.

Seems 2 negatives gave us this score - fan support and conf affiliation. The fan support issue can be turned around, hopefully, conf affiliation will one day too.

Little surprised they focused on 7 win seasons under 5 coaches and not the amt of 9 + win seasons recently or number recent bowl appearances.

In my view UC should be twenty to thirty spots higher. If you are coach this a great place to win and build your reputation. As long you win 7 to 9 games a year, the fan base probably won't grow but it won't turn on you. New Nippert would be a great recruiting too. There a lot of power five wasteland programs that have very little upside and can become a coaches graveyard. Conference affiliation in the American can be seen as a positive becomes it allows a coach to pad his win totals. UC won 9 games last year even though I thought the coaching was just so-so. Butch is my opinion is just an average coach but his last two UC teams won 10 games.

It was a great job for MD, BK, and CBK, even if they didn't appreciate it, and someday, one, two, or all three of them may wish desperately that they could have it back.

(03-27-2014 05:40 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  In my view UC should be twenty to thirty spots higher. If you are coach this a great place to win and build your reputation. As long you win 7 to 9 games a year, the fan base probably won't grow but it won't turn on you...

String two 7 win seasons together playing this conference slate and there will be season ticket holder promotional torch and pitchfork night at Nippert.

(03-27-2014 06:19 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  It was a great job for MD, BK, and CBK, even if they didn't appreciate it, and someday, one, two, or all three of them may wish desperately that they could have it back.

maybe Butch Jones, but MD has been great at MSU and Kelly has ND in a pretty good place as well.

Still look at the jobs the last 3 UC coaches have right now...that tells you this job should probably be higher on that list.

(03-27-2014 10:38 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 05:40 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  In my view UC should be twenty to thirty spots higher. If you are coach this a great place to win and build your reputation. As long you win 7 to 9 games a year, the fan base probably won't grow but it won't turn on you...

String two 7 win seasons together playing this conference slate and there will be season ticket holder promotional torch and pitchfork night at Nippert.

Butch Jones won 4 games against a pretty lame schedule in 2010 coming off 12-0 and we barely blinked an eye. I think it's one of the easiest fanbases to please in the country. I know it was a different era, but Rick Minter got 8 years and went 53-63 in CUSA v1 and plenty of people were content to keep him even longer.

The schedule is bad, but we weren't exactly lighting up the SOS previously either.

Actually it seems about right. The only non P5 ahead of us is Boise State and BYU and ND, and I think BSU may be starting to slide down. If we were P5 we would jump up considerably.

I counted 6 P5's behind us.

(03-28-2014 07:01 AM)uccheese Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 10:38 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 05:40 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  In my view UC should be twenty to thirty spots higher. If you are coach this a great place to win and build your reputation. As long you win 7 to 9 games a year, the fan base probably won't grow but it won't turn on you...

String two 7 win seasons together playing this conference slate and there will be season ticket holder promotional torch and pitchfork night at Nippert.

Butch Jones won 4 games against a pretty lame schedule in 2010 coming off 12-0 and we barely blinked an eye. I think it's one of the easiest fanbases to please in the country. I know it was a different era, but Rick Minter got 8 years and went 53-63 in CUSA v1 and plenty of people were content to keep him even longer.

The schedule is bad, but we weren't exactly lighting up the SOS previously either.

I'm not so sure about "lame". I think something like 10 of the 12 teams UC played that year were bowl teams. Not making excuses for Jones in his first season but that was definitely not an easy schedule for a first year head coach, compared to 3/12 in Tuberville's first season.

(03-28-2014 08:29 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 07:01 AM)uccheese Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 10:38 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 05:40 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  In my view UC should be twenty to thirty spots higher. If you are coach this a great place to win and build your reputation. As long you win 7 to 9 games a year, the fan base probably won't grow but it won't turn on you...

String two 7 win seasons together playing this conference slate and there will be season ticket holder promotional torch and pitchfork night at Nippert.

Butch Jones won 4 games against a pretty lame schedule in 2010 coming off 12-0 and we barely blinked an eye. I think it's one of the easiest fanbases to please in the country. I know it was a different era, but Rick Minter got 8 years and went 53-63 in CUSA v1 and plenty of people were content to keep him even longer.

The schedule is bad, but we weren't exactly lighting up the SOS previously either.

I'm not so sure about "lame". I think something like 10 of the 12 teams UC played that year were bowl teams. Not making excuses for Jones in his first season but that was definitely not an easy schedule for a first year head coach, compared to 3/12 in Tuberville's first season.

Walking out of Neyland Stadium after getting throttled by Tennessee (after coming off that 4 win season the year before), the UC contingent was as hostile as I've seen since the Minter days. Had Butch not turned it around to win 10 games that year he would've definitely been on the hot seat.

(03-28-2014 08:41 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  Walking out of Neyland Stadium after getting throttled by Tennessee (after coming off that 4 win season the year before), the UC contingent was as hostile as I've seen since the Minter days. Had Butch not turned it around to win 10 games that year he would've definitely been on the hot seat.

No doubt and I'm not so sure he can turn it around at Tennessee. Sure the guy can recruit and inspire a team but his inability to make in-game adjustments and be flexible with his system will get him eaten alive by the Saban/Miles defenses of the SEC.

I talked to a guy from Knoxville last weekend. They are loving Jones down there. I said I wasn't a big fan of the clichés and coach speak. He said that is what they like. Said it is a welcomed departure from the previous coaches.

Everybody has something different they like. Right now, they like him.

(03-28-2014 09:54 AM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  I talked to a guy from Knoxville last weekend. They are loving Jones down there. I said I wasn't a big fan of the clichés and coach speak. He said that is what they like. Said it is a welcomed departure from the previous coaches.

Everybody has something different they like. Right now, they like him.

Another bowl-less season and they won't like him at all.

(03-28-2014 07:01 AM)uccheese Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 10:38 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 05:40 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  In my view UC should be twenty to thirty spots higher. If you are coach this a great place to win and build your reputation. As long you win 7 to 9 games a year, the fan base probably won't grow but it won't turn on you...

String two 7 win seasons together playing this conference slate and there will be season ticket holder promotional torch and pitchfork night at Nippert.

Butch Jones won 4 games against a pretty lame schedule in 2010 coming off 12-0 and we barely blinked an eye. I think it's one of the easiest fanbases to please in the country. I know it was a different era, but Rick Minter got 8 years and went 53-63 in CUSA v1 and plenty of people were content to keep him even longer.

The schedule is bad, but we weren't exactly lighting up the SOS previously either.

There was a drop in season tickets and a big drop in UCATS after 2010. And then they won a league title and bowl game the following 2 years. A middlin' finish in 2011 would have been a nightmare. And don't compare the conference slate in 2010 to this one. You are better than that.

We lose half of the OOC games and 2-3 conference games to go 7-5 any more than once in a blue moon, you will be able to really stretch out in all the extra space in renovated Nippert.

Rath is right, 2010 killed a lot of momentum we had built from 2006-2009. Our attendance in '11and in '12 dipped as a result. We had 32k in 2010 for our FCS game. Even later in the year we had 33k for Syracuse and USF. The turning point for Butch and the fan base was getting blown out at home to Syracuse on homecoming.