(03-26-2014 06:33 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  On NPR's Marketplace, Andrew Zimbalist of Smith College said this ruling only applies to private colleges, not public institutions, so people can get their panties out of a wad.

This ruling may only apply to privates now but in time public university student athletes will use the ability for private university athletes to unionize as an argument that they should be able to do the same...and they will likely win.

Or if private universities are unionized and thus "pay better" the best student athletes or at least those interested in making more money will opt to play their sport at a private institution putting the public universities at a comparative disadvantage recruiting and in time the public universities will follow suit.

(03-26-2014 05:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 03:59 PM)mikecat Wrote:  If student athletes are now considered union members are they going to pay union dues,are they going to pay 25% taxes on their $75,000 northwestern scholly????? IMO the athlete is not getting screwed a 4year $300,000 combined schooly for a backup left tackle,maybe the star QB may have a small gripe but a great education can go along way!!! What happens if the universities say screw it and drop football the only union half of these guys will be joining is the fast food union.

Just as an FYI — Athletes do have to pay taxes on the amount of their scholarship that is over tuition and fees. Only the tuition and fees (and maybe books) are tax deductible. If they are getting room and board paid on a full ride, they have to pay taxes on the value of the R&B amount.

How much tax will Shaquille and glawn pay on their all expenses trip to the Bahamas this summer,getting tired of hearing how rough today's college athletes have it.

Academic services? Are you serious? My daughter was in the Athletic Training Program at OU (12 accepted out of 200). Very hard with high ACT's. She had to go to academic table every night. She said the FB & BB team had tutors galore. I doubt OU is unusual.

What academic services did you get?

(03-26-2014 06:56 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 06:41 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  The NCAA and colleges have had 100+ years to prepare for this moment and they've utterly failed because of greed, shortsightedness, or some combination. Adapt or die.

Yep. After seeing some of Kain Colter's comments on Sportscenter, I can't blame them. I'd probably want the same if I was in their position. His primary concern seems to be having adequate medical care after their eligibility is over and appropriate academic services so more are able to graduate. Doesn't sound unreasonable to me. This only occurred because the NCAA wasn't doing their job. Those commercials they run about being there for student athletes makes me laugh. If the players felt they had someone looking out for them and an organization to legitimately represent their concerns, this probably wouldn't have happened.

They pay no taxes. Did you ever hear of Standard Deductions and Individual Exemption. BBA - Accounting, MS Taxation

(03-26-2014 07:15 PM)mikecat Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 05:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 03:59 PM)mikecat Wrote:  If student athletes are now considered union members are they going to pay union dues,are they going to pay 25% taxes on their $75,000 northwestern scholly????? IMO the athlete is not getting screwed a 4year $300,000 combined schooly for a backup left tackle,maybe the star QB may have a small gripe but a great education can go along way!!! What happens if the universities say screw it and drop football the only union half of these guys will be joining is the fast food union.

Just as an FYI — Athletes do have to pay taxes on the amount of their scholarship that is over tuition and fees. Only the tuition and fees (and maybe books) are tax deductible. If they are getting room and board paid on a full ride, they have to pay taxes on the value of the R&B amount.

How much tax will Shaquille and glawn pay on their all expenses trip to the Bahamas this summer,getting tired of hearing how rough today's college athletes have it.

The NCAA, and the schools, blatant greed have ruined college sports, this is nothing more than the players getting tired of being f'ed over in the deal.

(03-26-2014 07:26 PM)dossbig Wrote:  They pay no taxes. Did you ever hear of Standard Deductions and Individual Exemption. BBA - Accounting, MS Taxation

(03-26-2014 07:15 PM)mikecat Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 05:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 03:59 PM)mikecat Wrote:  If student athletes are now considered union members are they going to pay union dues,are they going to pay 25% taxes on their $75,000 northwestern scholly????? IMO the athlete is not getting screwed a 4year $300,000 combined schooly for a backup left tackle,maybe the star QB may have a small gripe but a great education can go along way!!! What happens if the universities say screw it and drop football the only union half of these guys will be joining is the fast food union.

Just as an FYI — Athletes do have to pay taxes on the amount of their scholarship that is over tuition and fees. Only the tuition and fees (and maybe books) are tax deductible. If they are getting room and board paid on a full ride, they have to pay taxes on the value of the R&B amount.

How much tax will Shaquille and glawn pay on their all expenses trip to the Bahamas this summer,getting tired of hearing how rough today's college athletes have it.

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p970/ch01.html

"…A scholarship or fellowship is tax free (excludable from gross income) only if you are a candidate for a degree at an eligible educational institution.

A scholarship or fellowship is tax free only to the extent:

It does not exceed your expenses;

It is not designated or earmarked for other purposes (such as room and board), and does not require (by its terms) that it cannot be used for qualified education expenses; and

It does not represent payment for teaching, research, or other services required as a condition for receiving the scholarship. (But for exceptions, see Payment for services,later.…


A student athlete claimed as a dependent on his/her parent's taxes and/or who might have other sources of taxable income will have to pay taxes on the room and board portion of their scholarship. Room and board is easily $10-11K at most schools.

(03-26-2014 07:50 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 07:26 PM)dossbig Wrote:  They pay no taxes. Did you ever hear of Standard Deductions and Individual Exemption. BBA - Accounting, MS Taxation

(03-26-2014 07:15 PM)mikecat Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 05:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 03:59 PM)mikecat Wrote:  If student athletes are now considered union members are they going to pay union dues,are they going to pay 25% taxes on their $75,000 northwestern scholly????? IMO the athlete is not getting screwed a 4year $300,000 combined schooly for a backup left tackle,maybe the star QB may have a small gripe but a great education can go along way!!! What happens if the universities say screw it and drop football the only union half of these guys will be joining is the fast food union.

Just as an FYI — Athletes do have to pay taxes on the amount of their scholarship that is over tuition and fees. Only the tuition and fees (and maybe books) are tax deductible. If they are getting room and board paid on a full ride, they have to pay taxes on the value of the R&B amount.

How much tax will Shaquille and glawn pay on their all expenses trip to the Bahamas this summer,getting tired of hearing how rough today's college athletes have it.

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p970/ch01.html

"…A scholarship or fellowship is tax free (excludable from gross income) only if you are a candidate for a degree at an eligible educational institution.

A scholarship or fellowship is tax free only to the extent:

It does not exceed your expenses;

It is not designated or earmarked for other purposes (such as room and board), and does not require (by its terms) that it cannot be used for qualified education expenses; and

It does not represent payment for teaching, research, or other services required as a condition for receiving the scholarship. (But for exceptions, see Payment for services,later.…


A student athlete claimed as a dependent on his/her parent's taxes and/or who might have other sources of taxable income will have to pay taxes on the room and board portion of their scholarship. Room and board is easily $10-11K at most schools.

Doesn't this all change since they are now considered 'employees'

pay for play starts now, hope we can afford it. i wonder if the big corp will step up now so we are not left behind.

(03-26-2014 08:26 PM)mikecat Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 07:50 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 07:26 PM)dossbig Wrote:  They pay no taxes. Did you ever hear of Standard Deductions and Individual Exemption. BBA - Accounting, MS Taxation

(03-26-2014 07:15 PM)mikecat Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 05:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Just as an FYI — Athletes do have to pay taxes on the amount of their scholarship that is over tuition and fees. Only the tuition and fees (and maybe books) are tax deductible. If they are getting room and board paid on a full ride, they have to pay taxes on the value of the R&B amount.

How much tax will Shaquille and glawn pay on their all expenses trip to the Bahamas this summer,getting tired of hearing how rough today's college athletes have it.

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p970/ch01.html

"…A scholarship or fellowship is tax free (excludable from gross income) only if you are a candidate for a degree at an eligible educational institution.

A scholarship or fellowship is tax free only to the extent:

It does not exceed your expenses;

It is not designated or earmarked for other purposes (such as room and board), and does not require (by its terms) that it cannot be used for qualified education expenses; and

It does not represent payment for teaching, research, or other services required as a condition for receiving the scholarship. (But for exceptions, see Payment for services,later.…


A student athlete claimed as a dependent on his/her parent's taxes and/or who might have other sources of taxable income will have to pay taxes on the room and board portion of their scholarship. Room and board is easily $10-11K at most schools.

Doesn't this all change since they are now considered 'employees'

I would think the tax status of a student athlete's compensation as a unionized employee might be up for re-consideration by the IRS.

(03-26-2014 07:21 PM)dossbig Wrote:  Academic services? Are you serious? My daughter was in the Athletic Training Program at OU (12 accepted out of 200). Very hard with high ACT's. She had to go to academic table every night. She said the FB & BB team had tutors galore. I doubt OU is unusual.

What academic services did you get?

(03-26-2014 06:56 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 06:41 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  The NCAA and colleges have had 100+ years to prepare for this moment and they've utterly failed because of greed, shortsightedness, or some combination. Adapt or die.

Yep. After seeing some of Kain Colter's comments on Sportscenter, I can't blame them. I'd probably want the same if I was in their position. His primary concern seems to be having adequate medical care after their eligibility is over and appropriate academic services so more are able to graduate. Doesn't sound unreasonable to me. This only occurred because the NCAA wasn't doing their job. Those commercials they run about being there for student athletes makes me laugh. If the players felt they had someone looking out for them and an organization to legitimately represent their concerns, this probably wouldn't have happened.

There are endless stories out there about the big football machines steering players into certain degree tracks and forcing them to take crappy classes to stay eligible. Look no further than the academic scandals brewing at UNC over grades given for imaginary classes. Northwestern also showed evidence in the hearing that they could find no examples were provided of scholarship players being permitted to miss entire practices and/or games to attend to their studies. (That being said, I think Butch let Frey miss some off season conditioning sessions to go to classes for his aerospace engineering degree).
The NCAA back in 1905 said that student athletes couldn't receive schoarships at that time because it constituted payment. Now that the players are arguing that they agree with that notion, the NCAA is trying to backtrack. They may find it hard to put that toothpaste back in the tube. Whatever the outcome, this will take years to sort out.

Read this on Fox Sports:

5. If they're employees, are Northwestern's players subject to taxation on the value of their scholarships?

Believe it or not, tax experts differ.

That, my friend, is not a phrase you want to hear when you're filling out your taxes.

Expect for the NCAA to make a big deal out of this, arguing that players could end up with a worse deal than they receive now.

Could the players technically have sponsor products now? Could there be a big McDonalds M on their uniform/helmet if they so chose?

Bearcats react as Northwestern football players can unionize

University of Cincinnati linebacker Nick Temple said he and his teammates are still processing the ruling that Northwestern football players can unionize, but Temple does know that he likes it.

"I'm all for it," Temple said Thursday, after a UC spring practice at the Bearcats' indoor bubble. "They give scholarships and then you work for the school, but it works both ways. It doesn't help through the whole semester, because you have bills and everything to pay. I like what they're doing over there."

In what could be a landmark decision for college sports, the Chicago district of the National Labor Rrelations Board ruled on Wednesday that Northwestern football players qualify as employees of the university and can unionize.

While developments in various lawsuits might soon lead to increased stipends for college athletes, the Northwestern ruling also has sparked discussion about players at least getting better health care and academic support.

"I'm all for them getting everything they possibly can get," UC coach Tommy Tuberville said. "I think athletes need to get some kind of stipend because they put a lot of time in. They're not just regular students, they're workers."

The decision in the Northwestern case only affects private universities. The NLRB does not govern labor matters at public institutions such as UC, but there could be changes at such schools if the union succeeds at Northwestern.

Bruce Petrie Jr., an attorney for Cincinnati firm Graydon Head who represents employers in labor matters, said that public sector employees in Ohio come under the State Employment Relations Board (SERB).

While SERB and the NLRB have different public vs. private jurisdiction, Petrie said that SERB sometimes looks to NLRB decisions for analysis and guidance.

"My sense is that once the NLRB goes there with private universities, it's much easier for SERB to go there for publics, since the employer/employee test is so broad," Petrie said. "Certainly the decision is an attention-getter for all colleges and universities."

Tuberville, while endorsing the players, said they also might want to ask if they want to be considered fulltime workers.

"If so, the scholarship they get … that's going to be taxed," Tuberville said. "And then they're going to have to pay their own insurance. They're not on their parents' insurance any more. So, there's a lot of stipulations that go along with it.

"You might get what you don't really want, when you turn into regular workers."

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/c...e/6962667/

Does this apply to all scholly athletes at Private schools or just football players?
I imagine the DC NLRB will uphold this.

This is a pretty interesting article - http://sports.yahoo.com/news/who-s-to-bl...ncaaf.html

I have an idea on this - if it comes to pass - lower university presidents and head coaches salaries across the board by a certain % to pay for it.

If games go more than 2 hours do they get time and a half overtime or double time for games played on Sundays and holidays?

So when are the NW players going to vote?

This might just lead to the demise of the NCAA. The Big Conferences break away and Uconn and UC join the ACC.

The demise of the NCAA is on the way with or without unions for the athletes.

(03-27-2014 02:21 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Does this apply to all scholly athletes at Private schools or just football players?
I imagine the DC NLRB will uphold this.

At NW I think it only involves football and MBB.