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(03-26-2014 06:16 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  All college athletics may wind up being D-III structure eventually.

Which actually might not be a bad thing.

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This

Yeah, what Hoople said. This might stop the madness.

Quote:Q: What impact does the decision have on public universities?

A: None. The decision in the Northwestern case affects only private universities. Any attempt by players to form a union at, say, Ohio State, or Nebraska, would be governed by the specific state's laws on unions of public employees (teachers, firefighters, police.) It is different in each state. But there would seem to be little doubt that athletes at these public schools will be watching what happens to determine whether they want to do something similar. Large public employee unions like the SEIU or AFSCME may be willing to help these athletes in the same way the United Steelworkers helped Colter and the Northwestern players.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/1...legal-team


Interesting twist on things.

Are private universities "not for profit" or "non profit" entities?

(03-27-2014 07:51 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Are private universities "not for profit" or "non profit" entities?

Some are, and some are not. For Example, Baker College is a private for-profit college whereas davenport is now a private nonprofit having previously been a for profit.

(03-27-2014 08:06 AM)BCBronco Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 07:51 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Are private universities "not for profit" or "non profit" entities?

Some are, and some are not. For Example, Baker College is a private for-profit college whereas davenport is now a private nonprofit having previously been a for profit.

THANK YOU.

I realized that after I asked, found this Wiki list of "for profit" universities.

List

The reason I ask is there are sometimes different "rules" for unionizing non profit agencies, but in the end this ruling is a huge one. The courts have said what people have been saying for years, these athletes are making money for some directly involved parties. The creative accounting that makes up non-profit and public fund based entities has kind of hid that fact, and the public has bought into the diatribe hook line and sinker due to their ignorance of the subject.

Not that I expect anyone to really understand the nuances, but it was very disingenuous of the NCAA and their members at the D1 level all these years to pretend that their programs were running in the red while it's key people were pulling millions out of these programs.

Hear that coaches? AD's? This ruling is a slap in their face.

Quote:The courts have said what people have been saying for years, these athletes are making money for some directly involved parties.

As do many students on academic scholarship?

Different scale, but true?

This was not a court ruling, came from one member of local NLRB.

Northwestern going to appeal to the federal board (April 9 deadline).

Issue is far from resolved and implications tough to foretell.

(03-27-2014 08:18 AM)ESSSS Wrote:  

Quote:The courts have said what people have been saying for years, these athletes are making money for some directly involved parties.

As do many students on academic scholarship?

Different scale, but true?

I'd agree with that. Plus, to make matters worse, in recent decades it's discounted and we're told that they need to be paid on top of that? Talk about ungrateful!!

I didn't realize it wasn't a court ruling, but nonetheless. NLRB carries a pretty heavy stick in labor related matters though, they do their homework before ruling.

Now it depends on the judge. My prediction? Cooler heads will prevail and the status quo will remain intact! Why should anything change now?

(03-27-2014 08:14 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 08:06 AM)BCBronco Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 07:51 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Are private universities "not for profit" or "non profit" entities?

Some are, and some are not. For Example, Baker College is a private for-profit college whereas davenport is now a private nonprofit having previously been a for profit.

THANK YOU.

I realized that after I asked, found this Wiki list of "for profit" universities.

List

The reason I ask is there are sometimes different "rules" for unionizing non profit agencies, but in the end this ruling is a huge one. The courts have said what people have been saying for years, these athletes are making money for some directly involved parties. The creative accounting that makes up non-profit and public fund based entities has kind of hid that fact, and the public has bought into the diatribe hook line and sinker due to their ignorance of the subject.

Not that I expect anyone to really understand the nuances, but it was very disingenuous of the NCAA and their members at the D1 level all these years to pretend that their programs were running in the red while it's key people were pulling millions out of these programs.

Hear that coaches? AD's? This ruling is a slap in their face.

There are different rules for nonprofits. Used to be a local union president for AFSCME.

And, just to add fuel to the flames, the Ohio State AD received a $18,000 bonus because a wrestler from OSU won the National Championship in his weight class. The AD has a bonus clause in his contract that directly rewards HIM for the accomplishments of an individual athlete.

I am not in favor of paying college athletes, but things like this could change my mind.

From a story I just read:

Quote:The CAPA, the soon-to-be-union, has released a list of stated goals, which they seek to bargain for if given the opportunity. There are 11 of them. Only one of them -- asking for the ability to appear in commercials or seek other employment opportunities -- could possibly be construed as "asking to be paid.

This is where this gets interesting, and I can't say i disagree with this part. Don't put them on the payroll, but allow them to represent themselves to make some money.

(03-27-2014 08:54 AM)chipfan Wrote:  And, just to add fuel to the flames, the Ohio State AD received a $18,000 bonus because a wrestler from OSU won the National Championship in his weight class. The AD has a bonus clause in his contract that directly rewards HIM for the accomplishments of an individual athlete.

I am not in favor of paying college athletes, but things like this could change my mind.

You probably can't even balance a checkbook, how dare you comment on people profiting off student athletes.

Sin,

CD/CD1/CD2

(03-27-2014 10:05 AM)SilentStryk09 Wrote:  From a story I just read:

Quote:The CAPA, the soon-to-be-union, has released a list of stated goals, which they seek to bargain for if given the opportunity. There are 11 of them. Only one of them -- asking for the ability to appear in commercials or seek other employment opportunities -- could possibly be construed as "asking to be paid.

This is where this gets interesting, and I can't say i disagree with this part. Don't put them on the payroll, but allow them to represent themselves to make some money.

Only problem I see with that is inappropriate benefits:

Player A is being recruited by Ohio State, Florida, and Alabama. Ohio State says "come play for us, we have a donor who would love to "buy" an autograph for $1 million". I wonder what school he would be going to?

Yeah. There's a lot of regulations that would need to be ironed out.

I have no issue with player self promoting. If Johnny Manziel wants to market his jersey then let him negotiate the licensing fee and split a percentage with university. But paying players over and beyond the cost of their scholarship will be the undoing of college sports.

Somebody (can't remember who) wrote about 20 years ago that money would be the undoing of sports as we know them in America.

Looks like that prediction may be beginning to take place, if it hasn't already.

I potentially see this developing in the likes of the European model.

College athletics will mean almost nothing to the general public.

Lower leagues will develop that will pay money to the players that aren't good enough or too young to play in the NBA or other highest sport leagues in the US.

Haven't seen it brought up but how would this affect their amateur status with the NCAA?

(03-28-2014 06:56 PM)Tommyboy Wrote:  Haven't seen it brought up but how would this affect their amateur status with the NCAA?

Well, the power conferences are already talking about leaving the NCAA. Could just be another nail in the coffin.