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RE: Let's play a game
(03-26-2014 03:20 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:14 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:04 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 09:40 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  What if you swapped coaches?

Just saying

Cal took a MUCH, MUCH more talented team last year, to first round NIT loss.

Cal took MUCH, MUCH more talented teams, his first couple of years at Kentucky and didn't win the whole enchilada, despite being CLEARLY the most talented team in the nation.

Cal took the 2008 Tigers, the CLEARLY most talented team in the country, and peed down his leg.

If you are somehow insinuating that Cal is some GREAT coach and Josh isn't, you aren't as smart as I thought you were...

UCLA had Kevin Love, Darren Collison, and Russell Westbrook. Kansas had Brandon Rush, Darrell Aurther, and Mario Chalmers. In no way were we clearly the most talented team in the country.

We had the best "collegiate" team in the nation that year. It was proven on the court, up until the last few minutes of the Kansas game, when the coaching mensa pooped his pants.

Look, Cal is a good coach. But, he is not some end all be all, coaching guru. That's my point.

That's fine. I would put Rose and CDR up against any other team's best two in 2008, but both Kansas and UCLA had a better 3rd guy than us, so I would say they had a little more talent than us.
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(03-26-2014 09:18 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 09:16 AM)memphistigr36 Wrote:  If you plugged Joe Jackson into the '08 lineup and then plugged D Rose into this years lineup........How far would each team have gone in the tournament in their respective seasons???

That team had heart,this years team,not so much...Joe was not physical enough for the AAC.....DRose ac-celled against physicality.

The 1st team AA didnt hurt either.
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RE: Let's play a game
If you flipped the coaches Josh would've taken the 08 team to the final 4 . That 08 team essentially coached themselves. They knew what they were doing to the point where all Cal had to do was roll the ball out there and let them play.

Cal with this year's team would've gone to the Sweet 16
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RE: Let's play a game
(03-26-2014 03:26 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:20 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:14 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:04 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 09:40 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  What if you swapped coaches?

Just saying

Cal took a MUCH, MUCH more talented team last year, to first round NIT loss.

Cal took MUCH, MUCH more talented teams, his first couple of years at Kentucky and didn't win the whole enchilada, despite being CLEARLY the most talented team in the nation.

Cal took the 2008 Tigers, the CLEARLY most talented team in the country, and peed down his leg.

If you are somehow insinuating that Cal is some GREAT coach and Josh isn't, you aren't as smart as I thought you were...

UCLA had Kevin Love, Darren Collison, and Russell Westbrook. Kansas had Brandon Rush, Darrell Aurther, and Mario Chalmers. In no way were we clearly the most talented team in the country.

We had the best "collegiate" team in the nation that year. It was proven on the court, up until the last few minutes of the Kansas game, when the coaching mensa pooped his pants.

Look, Cal is a good coach. But, he is not some end all be all, coaching guru. That's my point.

That's fine. I would put Rose and CDR up against any other team's best two in 2008, but both Kansas and UCLA had a better 3rd guy than us, so I would say they had a little more talent than us.

Who are these third guys?

I'm assuming Collison for UCLA? Remind me again what he did against us? Oh that's right nothing and to top it off he fouled out with like 5 minutes to go. Man that third guy was so much better than ours. Dozier and/or Tone.better than Collison

Kansas their third guy imo is or was Arthur. Rush IMO was better than him. Arthur and Dozier or Tone are about a wash.
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RE: Let's play a game
(03-26-2014 03:04 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 09:40 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  What if you swapped coaches?

Just saying

Cal took a MUCH, MUCH more talented team last year, to first round NIT loss.

Cal took MUCH, MUCH more talented teams, his first couple of years at Kentucky and didn't win the whole enchilada, despite being CLEARLY the most talented team in the nation.

Cal took the 2008 Tigers, the CLEARLY most talented team in the country, and peed down his leg.

If you are somehow insinuating that Cal is some GREAT coach and Josh isn't, you aren't as smart as I thought you were...

It is absolutely hilarious that you consider one free throw from a national championship "peeing down your leg", when you seem to defend our current situation (ie, getting beat in 1st or 2nd round by 20 every year) to no end.
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(03-26-2014 09:20 AM)whoyarootinfor Wrote:  GlobalThermoNuclearWar (please work please work)

Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?
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(03-26-2014 10:08 AM)Bluebeard Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 09:40 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  What if you swapped coaches?

Just saying

If you're saying that the coach would've been there for the player's entire career up to that point so the coach is responsible for the players' development, then:


08 with Pastner

Sweet 16



14 with Cal

Final Four

Who has more talent; 2014 Kentucky or 2014 Memphis? Another joke post.
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RE: Let's play a game
(03-26-2014 03:14 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:04 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 09:40 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  What if you swapped coaches?

Just saying

Cal took a MUCH, MUCH more talented team last year, to first round NIT loss.

Cal took MUCH, MUCH more talented teams, his first couple of years at Kentucky and didn't win the whole enchilada, despite being CLEARLY the most talented team in the nation.

Cal took the 2008 Tigers, the CLEARLY most talented team in the country, and peed down his leg.

If you are somehow insinuating that Cal is some GREAT coach and Josh isn't, you aren't as smart as I thought you were...

UCLA had Kevin Love, Darren Collison, and Russell Westbrook. Kansas had Brandon Rush, Darrell Aurther, and Mario Chalmers. In no way were we clearly the most talented team in the country.

People hate Pastner so much that they are willing to make themselves look foolish by insinuating that UCLA had more talent than we did. They are completely willing to ignore every possible fact.
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(03-26-2014 03:31 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  If you flipped the coaches Josh would've taken the 08 team to the final 4 . That 08 team essentially coached themselves. They knew what they were doing to the point where all Cal had to do was roll the ball out there and let them play.

Cal with this year's team would've gone to the Sweet 16

Hate that our fans do not view all of this as Memphis basketball history but as Pastner and today's Memphis against Narcissist and then.

2004 team lost in the round of 32- handily and pretty non-competitively- to Oklahoma State.

2004 team had future NBA players player Rodney Carney and Antonio Burks, as well as NBA level player Sean Banks before his next year flame out. Also included Jeremy Hunt, Anthony Rice and Billy Richmond.

The next season saw the loss of Bands, but the addition of Darius Washington, who had a spin in the NBA, as well as Joey Dorsey, and still had Rodney Carney. And made the semi finals of the NIT.

When we added Shawne Williams, NBA player to DWash and Carney, let alone future NBA player CDR, and NBA cup of coffee player in Robert Dozier, the team took off.

Even before 2006- those were good teams- with some real high level recruits- and with a lot of sub par overall season performances. In no way does that suggest that Pastner, whose first five seasons were solidly stronger than Narcissist's first five, will come close to duplicating the next 4- but it should mean that the over the top hand wringing or assumptions that he has had so much more talent and done so much less with it...

Is bullcrap.

And yes- Rose and Evans were not 5 stars like Jackson (who turned out to be pretty dadgum good) but were lock lottery type 5 star players.
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IMO, we were the best "TEAM" but the ones with the most NBA players didn't make the Championship game in "08".07-coffee3 North Carolina took that honor. So who really had the most talent? What do you base it on is the real question?03-idea Just Sayin03-phew
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RE: Let's play a game
(03-26-2014 10:25 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:14 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:04 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 09:40 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  What if you swapped coaches?

Just saying

Cal took a MUCH, MUCH more talented team last year, to first round NIT loss.

Cal took MUCH, MUCH more talented teams, his first couple of years at Kentucky and didn't win the whole enchilada, despite being CLEARLY the most talented team in the nation.

Cal took the 2008 Tigers, the CLEARLY most talented team in the country, and peed down his leg.

If you are somehow insinuating that Cal is some GREAT coach and Josh isn't, you aren't as smart as I thought you were...

UCLA had Kevin Love, Darren Collison, and Russell Westbrook. Kansas had Brandon Rush, Darrell Aurther, and Mario Chalmers. In no way were we clearly the most talented team in the country.

People hate Pastner so much that they are willing to make themselves look foolish by insinuating that UCLA had more talent than we did. They are completely willing to ignore every possible fact.

Talent...You are saying UCLA didn't have more talent...What facts are there that says UCLA had more talent...Maybe there are some professional talent scouts and executives that get paid to do that who could help us with that who have millions of $s riding on their decisions.

Lets See...

Rose went 1
Westbrook went 4
Love went 5
Dorsey went 33
MBah Moute went 37
CDR went 40

2009
Darren Collison went 21

So Based on NBA scouts and Executives they felt that UCLA had more talent and based on their performance in the NBA they appear to have been correct.
All of the UCLA players have lasted at least 5 years in the league only 1 has from Memphis.

Yeah I know CDR was clearly more productive in college than Westbrook, but is it possible that Westbrook was not used properly by Howland because it was clear who had more TALENT the very next month by everyone in the NBA.
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RE: Let's play a game
(03-26-2014 06:10 PM)Bluebeard Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:04 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 09:40 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  What if you swapped coaches?

Just saying

Cal took a MUCH, MUCH more talented team last year, to first round NIT loss.

Cal took MUCH, MUCH more talented teams, his first couple of years at Kentucky and didn't win the whole enchilada, despite being CLEARLY the most talented team in the nation.

Cal took the 2008 Tigers, the CLEARLY most talented team in the country, and peed down his leg.

If you are somehow insinuating that Cal is some GREAT coach and Josh isn't, you aren't as smart as I thought you were...

It is absolutely hilarious that you consider one free throw from a national championship "peeing down your leg", when you seem to defend our current situation (ie, getting beat in 1st or 2nd round by 20 every year) to no end.

I never said Pastner was Hall of Fame material. He is young and improving.

Tell me...how many deep NCAA runs did Cal make in his first 5 years at Memphis? How many deep NCAA tourney runs did he make during his first 5 years as a college head coach?

How many titles did Coach K, Bobby Knight, Jim Boeheim, et al, win during their first 5 years as a college head coach?

You, like most, feel it necessary to go to one extreme or the other on Pastner. He is NOT a hall of fame coach. But, he is not some worthless moron that doesn't have a clue. The truth is in the middle. However, being sane doesn't make for good message board banter, does it?
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RE: Let's play a game
(03-26-2014 03:20 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:14 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:04 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 09:40 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  What if you swapped coaches?

Just saying

Cal took a MUCH, MUCH more talented team last year, to first round NIT loss.

Cal took MUCH, MUCH more talented teams, his first couple of years at Kentucky and didn't win the whole enchilada, despite being CLEARLY the most talented team in the nation.

Cal took the 2008 Tigers, the CLEARLY most talented team in the country, and peed down his leg.

If you are somehow insinuating that Cal is some GREAT coach and Josh isn't, you aren't as smart as I thought you were...

UCLA had Kevin Love, Darren Collison, and Russell Westbrook. Kansas had Brandon Rush, Darrell Aurther, and Mario Chalmers. In no way were we clearly the most talented team in the country.

We had the best "collegiate" team in the nation that year. It was proven on the court, up until the last few minutes of the Kansas game, when the coaching mensa pooped his pants.

Look, Cal is a good coach. But, he is not some end all be all, coaching guru. That's my point.

Yeah his point was would Cal do better than Josh with the same team. Which leads me to my point. Either you can or you can't. This is not a training ground for wanna be coaches.

If you're going to invest in the future on a long shot you have to give it some time, but how much time?

5 yrs, 7yrs, 10 yrs, lifetime contract???

Personally I'd give him one more year to show improvement throughout the season with a team full of new faces. Which goes against my original timeline of 5 years I said after year 3.
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RE: Let's play a game
(03-27-2014 08:51 AM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:20 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:14 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:04 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 09:40 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  What if you swapped coaches?

Just saying

Cal took a MUCH, MUCH more talented team last year, to first round NIT loss.

Cal took MUCH, MUCH more talented teams, his first couple of years at Kentucky and didn't win the whole enchilada, despite being CLEARLY the most talented team in the nation.

Cal took the 2008 Tigers, the CLEARLY most talented team in the country, and peed down his leg.

If you are somehow insinuating that Cal is some GREAT coach and Josh isn't, you aren't as smart as I thought you were...

UCLA had Kevin Love, Darren Collison, and Russell Westbrook. Kansas had Brandon Rush, Darrell Aurther, and Mario Chalmers. In no way were we clearly the most talented team in the country.

We had the best "collegiate" team in the nation that year. It was proven on the court, up until the last few minutes of the Kansas game, when the coaching mensa pooped his pants.

Look, Cal is a good coach. But, he is not some end all be all, coaching guru. That's my point.
Which goes against my original timeline of 5 years I said after year 3.

By your same logic, we should have canned Cal after 3-5 years. Especially considering he was a veteran coach with a track record.
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(03-27-2014 08:57 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 08:51 AM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:20 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:14 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:04 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Cal took a MUCH, MUCH more talented team last year, to first round NIT loss.

Cal took MUCH, MUCH more talented teams, his first couple of years at Kentucky and didn't win the whole enchilada, despite being CLEARLY the most talented team in the nation.

Cal took the 2008 Tigers, the CLEARLY most talented team in the country, and peed down his leg.

If you are somehow insinuating that Cal is some GREAT coach and Josh isn't, you aren't as smart as I thought you were...

UCLA had Kevin Love, Darren Collison, and Russell Westbrook. Kansas had Brandon Rush, Darrell Aurther, and Mario Chalmers. In no way were we clearly the most talented team in the country.

We had the best "collegiate" team in the nation that year. It was proven on the court, up until the last few minutes of the Kansas game, when the coaching mensa pooped his pants.

Look, Cal is a good coach. But, he is not some end all be all, coaching guru. That's my point.
Which goes against my original timeline of 5 years I said after year 3.

By your same logic, we should have canned Cal after 3-5 years. Especially considering he was a veteran coach with a track record.

The program he took over was a dumpster fire. He had already proven he could take a team like UMass to a FF. He was good enough for NBA executives to think he could coach at the highest level.

Ya see anybody out there right now that want to steal Josh away from us?
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(03-27-2014 09:02 AM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 08:57 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 08:51 AM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:20 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 03:14 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  UCLA had Kevin Love, Darren Collison, and Russell Westbrook. Kansas had Brandon Rush, Darrell Aurther, and Mario Chalmers. In no way were we clearly the most talented team in the country.

We had the best "collegiate" team in the nation that year. It was proven on the court, up until the last few minutes of the Kansas game, when the coaching mensa pooped his pants.

Look, Cal is a good coach. But, he is not some end all be all, coaching guru. That's my point.
Which goes against my original timeline of 5 years I said after year 3.

By your same logic, we should have canned Cal after 3-5 years. Especially considering he was a veteran coach with a track record.

The program he took over was a dumpster fire. He had already proven he could take a team like UMass to a FF. He was good enough for NBA executives to think he could coach at the highest level.

Ya see anybody out there right now that want to steal Josh away from us?

If Cal was so great, why did it take 6+ years at Memphis, before he started making tourney runs?
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(03-26-2014 09:16 AM)memphistigr36 Wrote:  If you plugged Joe Jackson into the '08 lineup and then plugged D Rose into this years lineup........How far would each team have gone in the tournament in their respective seasons???

JJ would've called timeout .
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(03-26-2014 09:40 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  What if you swapped coaches?

Just saying

CJP would've called timeout or had someone foul . National Champs
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(03-26-2014 10:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 10:08 AM)Bluebeard Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 09:40 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  What if you swapped coaches?

Just saying

If you're saying that the coach would've been there for the player's entire career up to that point so the coach is responsible for the players' development, then:


08 with Pastner

Sweet 16



14 with Cal

Final Four

Who has more talent; 2014 Kentucky or 2014 Memphis? Another joke post.

2014 UK has more talent but they are mostly freshman

2014 Memphis is very, very talented and is very experienced

I don't see what your point is with that post. Especially since 2014 UK is in the Sweet 16 and we are sitting home after being run off the court on opening weekend, for the 3rd year in a row.
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