(03-26-2014 10:31 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 10:15 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 08:29 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  Finished in a three way tie for third.

Who wants to come in third? Not me.

NOBODY. I'll pretend for the sake of reasonableness that wasn't a dig on Pastner.

It isn't a dig at Josh. It's me saying I'm not content with being the fifth seed in our conference and it's me saying I'm not content with getting blown out. It's me saying I'm not happy with the season, especially after hearing from pretty much everyone including our coach that we have a very good team with a great backcourt and should do great things. I went to every home game and watched every road game. I love the Tigers. I record the games and watch them once or twice before erasing them. I even go to a few road games every now and then. The point is just because I'm not content, pleased, and happy with the team's performance and coaching doesn't mean I don't love the Tigers. Also it doesn't mean that I will give up my tickets and quit watching. I sat through tic price and Johnny jones, I will only quit going and watching when it's time for me to go to Heaven. I separate the two. They don't go hand in hand. I'm the same way about the St. Louis Cardinals, the only difference there is the Cards win and win big time and they are well managed/coached.

(03-26-2014 06:46 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Hire an assistant from Virginia and have him teach us how to defend. Money talks. My point is there are lots of solutions to a situation. You just have to look at your options and pick the best one. Just focusing on whether you like Josh or want to keep him is not the one and only resolution to our current situation.

Knee jerk decisions much?

(03-26-2014 10:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 06:46 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Hire an assistant from Virginia and have him teach us how to defend. Money talks. My point is there are lots of solutions to a situation. You just have to look at your options and pick the best one. Just focusing on whether you like Josh or want to keep him is not the one and only resolution to our current situation.

Knee jerk decisions much?

I've been on board with that moving out this senior class will help tons. For a few years now. I just never saw the effort in these guys. I mean, thanks for coming, but bye guys.

(03-26-2014 10:57 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 10:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 06:46 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Hire an assistant from Virginia and have him teach us how to defend. Money talks. My point is there are lots of solutions to a situation. You just have to look at your options and pick the best one. Just focusing on whether you like Josh or want to keep him is not the one and only resolution to our current situation.

Knee jerk decisions much?

I've been on board with that moving out this senior class will help tons. For a few years now. I just never saw the effort in these guys. I mean, thanks for coming, but bye guys.

Maybe you are right about that. I'm a big Joe fan but you never know what the next bunch will be like or how the team will gel. I never judge until after I have seen them play several times. The whole team chemistry could be awesome and the team takes off like this years team never did. You never can tell. That's why I go, something super could begin to happen and I will be there praising the heck out of the team and the coach.

(03-26-2014 10:03 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Shaka Smart made a couple of nice runs with Anthony Grants players. He hasn't done much with the guys he recruited. Other than give up a 4 point play to tie the game which they went on to lose. Just imagine the wailing on this board if that happen to a JP team.

Smart is a classic example of what a singular tourney run can do for you- even while so many use him as someone who is and would be so much more successful than our coach- who has achieved good success but to date- fallen short of great.

I am in no way diminishing the power of a single Final Four run- but Smart has not had a "couple" of nice runs. At all.

2010 CBI winners (not even the NIT)
2011 Final Four- finished season 28-12
2012 NCAA won a game- then beaten by Indiana
2013 NCAA won a game- then hammered by Michigan
2014 NCAA lost first game as solid favorite

Again- Memphis fans will cherry pick a coach like Smart's best season as proof of someone always better- and such is simply not true - plus those Memphis fans know that VCU winning the November early season head to head game pulling away late from what was a 2 point game and winning through making 14 threes rubs a little salt.

Looking at the above- Pastner is much more likely to have his teams at minimum really good- with elite a real possibility- much moreso than VCU.

(03-26-2014 11:04 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 10:57 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 10:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 06:46 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Hire an assistant from Virginia and have him teach us how to defend. Money talks. My point is there are lots of solutions to a situation. You just have to look at your options and pick the best one. Just focusing on whether you like Josh or want to keep him is not the one and only resolution to our current situation.

Knee jerk decisions much?

I've been on board with that moving out this senior class will help tons. For a few years now. I just never saw the effort in these guys. I mean, thanks for coming, but bye guys.

Maybe you are right about that. I'm a big Joe fan but you never know what the next bunch will be like or how the team will gel. I never judge until after I have seen them play several times. The whole team chemistry could be awesome and the team takes off like this years team never did. You never can tell. That's why I go, something super could begin to happen and I will be there praising the heck out of the team and the coach.

My thing has always been heart with these guys. Bad body language and energy a lot. When things go good they are good and fun to watch. However, 9 times out of 10 when things get rough, they fold.


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I think the frustration is not that we lose, but how we have loss. Michigan State and Virginia were better teams, but not to the point we were blown out. What we did to Michigan State in 2008 people could see that we had much more talent. We were quicker and faster. Izzo had no answer. Last year, we didn't have the beef and Michigan State capitalized. We were more athletic than Virginia but they are not 20 points better. We didn't compete. That where people feel the program is unsuccessful. How is it these teams with younger players, unranked on a team with a clear identity are that much better than us? Why is it that the best post player left in the tournament is from Memphis and he couldn't come because we have Hipp on scholarship? Those questions deserve answering.

Shaka made a run. You can't take that away from him. His team have an identity. So yes when they run into a Michigan team, who came close to winning it all, yes they will get blown out. Michigan had to play perfect and they did. Heck, this year we had Louisville number the same way UCONN and Cincy always have ours.

Based on how we ended the season, what do we have to look forward to?

(03-26-2014 08:22 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  I would be interested in how other Rebounders feel about Coach Pastner after this season has ended.

I think that Josh will be our coach. I wish that he would do better in-game interviews on TV, that he would coach better defense, and that he would learn to make better adjustments during games. When we got down in those blow-out losses, he had no answer to prevent the "avalanche". Two wins in the NCAA in 5 years is a very disappointing result.

I think that Josh will be here. Right now, I would not be upset if somebody hired him away. My wife does not like him any more and would like to see him go.

If you comment in this thread, please note if you are a Rebounder.

Since Being a rebounder is a show of belief in your head coach, I plan to not renew this year. He told me to go take a hike and I will as far as he is concerned. 25 years of season tickets will be continued of course to support the team but I am tired of AAU coaching. His stint here is short lived unfortunately.

(03-27-2014 01:08 AM)tigerdawg7 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 08:22 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  I would be interested in how other Rebounders feel about Coach Pastner after this season has ended.

I think that Josh will be our coach. I wish that he would do better in-game interviews on TV, that he would coach better defense, and that he would learn to make better adjustments during games. When we got down in those blow-out losses, he had no answer to prevent the "avalanche". Two wins in the NCAA in 5 years is a very disappointing result.

I think that Josh will be here. Right now, I would not be upset if somebody hired him away. My wife does not like him any more and would like to see him go.

If you comment in this thread, please note if you are a Rebounder.

Since Being a rebounder is a show of belief in your head coach, I plan to not renew this year. He told me to go take a hike and I will as far as he is concerned. 25 years of season tickets will be continued of course to support the team but I am tired of AAU coaching. His stint here is short lived unfortunately.

He told you guys to go take a hike?

(03-27-2014 01:10 AM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 01:08 AM)tigerdawg7 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 08:22 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  I would be interested in how other Rebounders feel about Coach Pastner after this season has ended.

I think that Josh will be our coach. I wish that he would do better in-game interviews on TV, that he would coach better defense, and that he would learn to make better adjustments during games. When we got down in those blow-out losses, he had no answer to prevent the "avalanche". Two wins in the NCAA in 5 years is a very disappointing result.

I think that Josh will be here. Right now, I would not be upset if somebody hired him away. My wife does not like him any more and would like to see him go.

If you comment in this thread, please note if you are a Rebounder.

Since Being a rebounder is a show of belief in your head coach, I plan to not renew this year. He told me to go take a hike and I will as far as he is concerned. 25 years of season tickets will be continued of course to support the team but I am tired of AAU coaching. His stint here is short lived unfortunately.

He told you guys to go take a hike?

Yeah, If you don't drink the Pastnerized Milk you are negative and he doesn't need you.

There sure seems to be a lot of sensitive Sallies here.

(03-27-2014 01:17 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  There sure seems to be a lot of sensitive Sallies here.

Man I was thinking the same thing.

(03-27-2014 01:20 AM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 01:17 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  There sure seems to be a lot of sensitive Sallies here.

Man I was thinking the same thing.

Was Roburt really that sensitive?

(03-26-2014 10:04 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 08:36 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Nothing is going to happen unless he starts missing the NCAA tournament on a regular basis. You can't fire a guy that keeps making the tournament no matter how bad they get drilled once they get there.

I don't think it has to be on a regular basis. If he misses it before he advances to the 2nd weekend then that might do it. Coach Finch got the hook a year after having his team ranked #2 in the country....two years after making the Sweet Sixteen. And he was an icon.

Maybe. But it was a different animal back then. The big money (was there any ?) was not behind Larry like it is Josh.

(03-26-2014 10:41 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  We do have some ridiculous expectations here though. Sure Pastner isn't at the success rate we want, but he is so so close...yet gets crucified over it.

For instance, the bank I work for has some 1000+ branches. Last year my branch (my manager has been there 7 years) finished ranked #7 out of those 1000+...matter of fact, we've been top 10 for 3 years now. What you guys are saying is that if my manager left and went to another job I should be expected to keep us top 10 in the branch (keep in mind, this board expected a sweet 16 year 1 of Pastner and a final four year 2). In reality if I finished in the top 100 I would think it would be a huge success...and if I did that for 3-5 years I would think I'm doing ok at figuring this crap out. But should my company fire me because I'm not holding former position (top 10) even though I'm still holding pat for time being (top 100) with plenty of opportunity to grow?


Point being is that Pastner does have his faults...but this board still measures his success against Cal. You can say it until you are blue in the face that you don't...but that isn't true. The reason it isn't true is because he was held to Cal standards from year 2...remember, sweet sixteen year 1 and final four year 2 were almost universally expected on this board. Its not "lowering expectations" so much to say you are satisfied with the level of success....but we could be sooooooooooooo much worse off. We could have been nailed with the Rose stuff, killed in recruiting, and hired a nobody (mind you, nobody wanted the job). While Pastner hasn't just exceeded expectations, he has done everything we ask. "We want to make the NCAA's"....he makes it and loses a close game to Arizona. "We want to win one in the NCAA's"...he gets in and beats St. Mary's before meeting a machine in Michigan State. "Well, he's still a bad coach because he hasn't beat a top 25 team"....he goes out and beats 5 in one season, hell, some of them top 5 teams.

At what point will Josh do anything to please you people?

I see just as much comparison between Josh's first 5 years and Cal's between the so called "pro Josh" crowd than I do with comparing Cal's last 4 years with the so called "anti Josh" crowd. If I had a nickel for every time Cal's 5th year gets brought up, I'd be able to fund an OCS.

(03-27-2014 01:07 AM)rolexjames Wrote:  I think the frustration is not that we lose, but how we have loss. Michigan State and Virginia were better teams, but not to the point we were blown out. What we did to Michigan State in 2008 people could see that we had much more talent. We were quicker and faster. Izzo had no answer. Last year, we didn't have the beef and Michigan State capitalized. We were more athletic than Virginia but they are not 20 points better. We didn't compete. That where people feel the program is unsuccessful. How is it these teams with younger players, unranked on a team with a clear identity are that much better than us? Why is it that the best post player left in the tournament is from Memphis and he couldn't come because we have Hipp on scholarship? Those questions deserve answering.

Shaka made a run. You can't take that away from him. His team have an identity. So yes when they run into a Michigan team, who came close to winning it all, yes they will get blown out. Michigan had to play perfect and they did. Heck, this year we had Louisville number the same way UCONN and Cincy always have ours.

Based on how we ended the season, what do we have to look forward to?

Shaka made a run with Anthony Grants players. Now his D is giving up 4 point plays in the last secs of a NCAA tourney game with a 4 point lead.

If JP's team did this, you would be calling for him to be fired.

(03-27-2014 02:36 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 01:07 AM)rolexjames Wrote:  I think the frustration is not that we lose, but how we have loss. Michigan State and Virginia were better teams, but not to the point we were blown out. What we did to Michigan State in 2008 people could see that we had much more talent. We were quicker and faster. Izzo had no answer. Last year, we didn't have the beef and Michigan State capitalized. We were more athletic than Virginia but they are not 20 points better. We didn't compete. That where people feel the program is unsuccessfu. How is it these teams with younger players, unranked on a team with a clear identity are that much better than us? Why is it that the best post player left in the tournament is from Memphis and he couldn't come because we have Hipp on scholarship? Those questions deserve answering.

Based on how we ended the season, what do we have to look forward to?

Virginia was ranked #4 in the final poll, so a 20 point rout is not unexpected against an unranked team, no? Admittedly though, never even should have played ourselves into an unranked position. Pathetic.

4 players that were potentially cancerous to the team graduated and are now gone. That's what I'm looking forward to.

JJ said he only enjoyed about 60% of his college career?! What a slap in the face of Memphis. Makes sense though considering he seemed out of the game about 40% of the time during his career when we needed him to step up and be a leader. Instead, he chose to remain lost within his own fog.

Only a slap if you live in a fantasy world like many on this blog seem to. The same crowd who is offended by 'JP' with the 'take a hike' statement will be offended by JJ's statement.

Smh

(03-27-2014 09:38 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 10:41 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  We do have some ridiculous expectations here though. Sure Pastner isn't at the success rate we want, but he is so so close...yet gets crucified over it.

For instance, the bank I work for has some 1000+ branches. Last year my branch (my manager has been there 7 years) finished ranked #7 out of those 1000+...matter of fact, we've been top 10 for 3 years now. What you guys are saying is that if my manager left and went to another job I should be expected to keep us top 10 in the branch (keep in mind, this board expected a sweet 16 year 1 of Pastner and a final four year 2). In reality if I finished in the top 100 I would think it would be a huge success...and if I did that for 3-5 years I would think I'm doing ok at figuring this crap out. But should my company fire me because I'm not holding former position (top 10) even though I'm still holding pat for time being (top 100) with plenty of opportunity to grow?


Point being is that Pastner does have his faults...but this board still measures his success against Cal. You can say it until you are blue in the face that you don't...but that isn't true. The reason it isn't true is because he was held to Cal standards from year 2...remember, sweet sixteen year 1 and final four year 2 were almost universally expected on this board. Its not "lowering expectations" so much to say you are satisfied with the level of success....but we could be sooooooooooooo much worse off. We could have been nailed with the Rose stuff, killed in recruiting, and hired a nobody (mind you, nobody wanted the job). While Pastner hasn't just exceeded expectations, he has done everything we ask. "We want to make the NCAA's"....he makes it and loses a close game to Arizona. "We want to win one in the NCAA's"...he gets in and beats St. Mary's before meeting a machine in Michigan State. "Well, he's still a bad coach because he hasn't beat a top 25 team"....he goes out and beats 5 in one season, hell, some of them top 5 teams.

At what point will Josh do anything to please you people?

I see just as much comparison between Josh's first 5 years and Cal's between the so called "pro Josh" crowd than I do with comparing Cal's last 4 years with the so called "anti Josh" crowd. If I had a nickel for every time Cal's 5th year gets brought up, I'd be able to fund an OCS.

As someone who brings up Cal's 5th year, it is to at least be noted.

It is also good to note that an NIT title and we threw a friggen parade. Now, a Final 32, being ranked in the Top 25 all year, and people are on the verge of committing mass suicide.

In this, as in most aspects of life, it's all about perspective. It will be interesting to see if Tiger football makes a big run over the next 3-4 years, if/how our fanbase changes...

(03-26-2014 06:07 PM)wylioats Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 03:34 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 08:22 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  I would be interested in how other Rebounders feel about Coach Pastner after this season has ended.

I think that Josh will be our coach. I wish that he would do better in-game interviews on TV, that he would coach better defense, and that he would learn to make better adjustments during games. When we got down in those blow-out losses, he had no answer to prevent the "avalanche". Two wins in the NCAA in 5 years is a very disappointing result.

I think that Josh will be here. Right now, I would not be upset if somebody hired him away. My wife does not like him any more and would like to see him go.

If you comment in this thread, please note if you are a Rebounder.

I'm a Rebounder. Memphis fans need to be more realistic to what type of program we have, not the one we believe we have. There are a handful of programs where Sweet 16s are annually expected and delivered - UNC, UK, KU, Duke. It is unreasonable to expect for a program like Memphis to reach the Sweet 16 every year. Our track record since 1970: 1970s - 1 Final Four, 1980s - 3 Sweet 16, 1 Final Four, 1990s - 1 Sweet 16, 1 Elite 8, 2000s - 2 Elite 8, 1 Final Four, 1 Sweet 16, 2010s - none. Even in our "glory" decades, we failed to make at least the Sweet 16 9, 6, 8, 6 years respectively. Expectation should be to make the tournament 5-6 times a decade, Sweet 16 1-2 times, and a deeper run every 10-15 years.

You can't be serious. With the money that's being spent on this program, coaches and assts. salaries, investment in a new practice facility and a program that plays in front of 16-18,000 every night, this is all you say we should expect out of this program? WOW!!!! I mean just WOW!!!! Sorry, as a fan, a TSF donor and season ticket holder since the 70's, you're damn straight I expect more. History be damned, this is a different era with a higher priced product we're talking about. I mean this isn't the MSC Tigers of yester year. Me, as a fan, have lost any and all faith in Josh as our head coach. IMO, he's a fine, upstanding, wonderful human being, I just don't think he's a division 1, high level program (such as Memphis) head coach and I, like the OP wouldn't mine if he took a job somewhere else....GO TIGERS!!!!

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