(03-26-2014 06:25 PM)bobby jo Wrote:  I am not a rebounder, I would most definitely be if at all possible. I am in no way wealthy, however I do spend a good percentage of my income supporting tiger athletics.

I understand that we have never won with the likes of Kentucky or Kansas or other bluebloods, but I have watched over my lifetime programs of far less significance make the right hire, and vault in front of the tigers in national perception. Some of those programs still have far less resources, and interests by their fanbase than do we.

I have seen us make the right hire, and go on unprecedented runs. For those who are satisfied with what we have been in our past, and not what we can become in our future truly have missed the point.

We have watched teams like Central Florida rise from the depths of college football obscurity, and win big on a national stage. We have spent a lifetime watching formal conference rivals, surpass us in almost every category. Why should we settle for just being what we have been in the past?, when we have such a promising future?

Beautifully stated. The acceptance of mediocrity or "we've never been that type of program so we shouldn't expect to be" is EXACTLY the reason why Memphis was left scrambling in conference realignment while the rest of our former conference brethren were getting a seat at the table.

(03-26-2014 04:30 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 04:10 PM)tiger1953 Wrote:  If we have a program that does not want to win why are we spending $20MM on a new practice facility? It's about time Memphis try to become more than just losers. If we hire the right people we can win, simple as that. There are a number of good coaches out there that would love to coach at Memphis. You do not have to get a coach at one of the big 5 schools. The guy at Dayton is good, Witchita State is good among many others. But if you want to be bad that's ok I guess.

You forgot to highlight the "more than just losers" comment...from a guy that has serious problems putting a sentence together.

(03-26-2014 06:30 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 06:25 PM)bobby jo Wrote:  I am not a rebounder, I would most definitely be if at all possible. I am in no way wealthy, however I do spend a good percentage of my income supporting tiger athletics.

I understand that we have never won with the likes of Kentucky or Kansas or other bluebloods, but I have watched over my lifetime programs of far less significance make the right hire, and vault in front of the tigers in national perception. Some of those programs still have far less resources, and interests by their fanbase than do we.

I have seen us make the right hire, and go on unprecedented runs. For those who are satisfied with what we have been in our past, and not what we can become in our future truly have missed the point.

We have watched teams like Central Florida rise from the depths of college football obscurity, and win big on a national stage. We have spent a lifetime watching formal conference rivals, surpass us in almost every category. Why should we settle for just being what we have been in the past?, when we have such a promising future?

Beautifully stated. The acceptance of mediocrity or "we've never been that type of program so we shouldn't expect to be" is EXACTLY the reason why Memphis was left scrambling in conference realignment while the rest of our former conference brethren were getting a seat at the table.

Not sure where all this perennial program consistency talk is coming from? A great deal of our history has been spent right where we are right now. If Pastner leaves, what proven coach is going to come to our program? That is why we hired Josh in the first place and we were willing to pay to get a proven coach at that time, but no one was interested. We may get lucky and hit a homerun, but we might be a lot worse off. It has happened to a lot of good programs out there.

By the way. I am not convinced we are not on the right path at this time. Josh is the kind of person that will pursue success and will figure it out.

Hire an assistant from Virginia and have him teach us how to defend. Money talks. My point is there are lots of solutions to a situation. You just have to look at your options and pick the best one. Just focusing on whether you like Josh or want to keep him is not the one and only resolution to our current situation.

I would give him a couple of more years. Should make a S16 by then, if not, may have to look elsewhere. I think he has improved and matured as a coach but we still need better results.

You can be an Ivy league school. If you pay your coaches top 10 money, put 18k fans in the seat, provide a large market, have been to 3 final fours in the last 4 decades and an elite 8 in the other. Spend money on facilities. You can have some of the best coaches in the business. Oh, and don't think they are gonna get their feelings hurt when fans blasts them for losing when they shouldn't. That's just the way it goes. Fans need not defend them. They are paid handsomely.

(03-26-2014 04:47 PM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 04:10 PM)tiger1953 Wrote:  If we have a program that does not want to win why are we spending $20MM on a new practice facility? It's about time Memphis try to become more than just losers. If we hire the right people we can win, simple as that. There are a number of good coaches out there that would love to coach at Memphis. You do not have to get a coach at one of the big 5 schools. The guy at Dayton is good, Witchita State is good among many others. But if you want to be bad that's ok I guess.

i don't get it either!
People around here have successfully changed the narrative from let's be Champions to let's just be OK

....WOW...

They have convinced themselves that being mediocre is just fine.

go look up the words expectations and goals and then figure out where your post went wrong, ok? thanks

(03-26-2014 10:04 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 08:36 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Nothing is going to happen unless he starts missing the NCAA tournament on a regular basis. You can't fire a guy that keeps making the tournament no matter how bad they get drilled once they get there.

I don't think it has to be on a regular basis. If he misses it before he advances to the 2nd weekend then that might do it. Coach Finch got the hook a year after having his team ranked #2 in the country....two years after making the Sweet Sixteen. And he was an icon.

Bingo! Josh will never be Larry.

(03-26-2014 07:17 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 10:04 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 08:36 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Nothing is going to happen unless he starts missing the NCAA tournament on a regular basis. You can't fire a guy that keeps making the tournament no matter how bad they get drilled once they get there.

I don't think it has to be on a regular basis. If he misses it before he advances to the 2nd weekend then that might do it. Coach Finch got the hook a year after having his team ranked #2 in the country....two years after making the Sweet Sixteen. And he was an icon.

Bingo! Josh will never be Larry.

And then they hired Tic.

(03-26-2014 07:20 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 07:17 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 10:04 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 08:36 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Nothing is going to happen unless he starts missing the NCAA tournament on a regular basis. You can't fire a guy that keeps making the tournament no matter how bad they get drilled once they get there.

I don't think it has to be on a regular basis. If he misses it before he advances to the 2nd weekend then that might do it. Coach Finch got the hook a year after having his team ranked #2 in the country....two years after making the Sweet Sixteen. And he was an icon.

Bingo! Josh will never be Larry.

And then they hired Tic.

true, but that doesn't mean we will repeat that crap.

(03-26-2014 03:34 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 08:22 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  I would be interested in how other Rebounders feel about Coach Pastner after this season has ended.

I think that Josh will be our coach. I wish that he would do better in-game interviews on TV, that he would coach better defense, and that he would learn to make better adjustments during games. When we got down in those blow-out losses, he had no answer to prevent the "avalanche". Two wins in the NCAA in 5 years is a very disappointing result.

I think that Josh will be here. Right now, I would not be upset if somebody hired him away. My wife does not like him any more and would like to see him go.

If you comment in this thread, please note if you are a Rebounder.

I'm a Rebounder. Memphis fans need to be more realistic to what type of program we have, not the one we believe we have. There are a handful of programs where Sweet 16s are annually expected and delivered - UNC, UK, KU, Duke. It is unreasonable to expect for a program like Memphis to reach the Sweet 16 every year. Our track record since 1970: 1970s - 1 Final Four, 1980s - 3 Sweet 16, 1 Final Four, 1990s - 1 Sweet 16, 1 Elite 8, 2000s - 2 Elite 8, 1 Final Four, 1 Sweet 16, 2010s - none. Even in our "glory" decades, we failed to make at least the Sweet 16 9, 6, 8, 6 years respectively. Expectation should be to make the tournament 5-6 times a decade, Sweet 16 1-2 times, and a deeper run every 10-15 years.

You're a rebounder. I'm a donator. I give a rats ass what we once did or didn't did! We're a top twenty program now and have been for quite some time. We can stay there if we want to. It's up to all of us. Never lower the bar. Never. You never stop building your program to be the best it can be unless you don't care. Let me tell ya, if you don't want it, there will be somebody right behind you ready to take your place.

All those who say we should be more realistic obviously didn't watch the many bad games we played this year. It's one thing to know we weren't just going through the AAC like we did CUSA but to finish 6th? Then get blown out yet again in the tournament?

How else should we judge Josh? I thought we were clearly more talented than Virginia but again another blowout. JP has got to get better. The players deserve better.


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(03-26-2014 07:59 PM)mullinsworld Wrote:  All those who say we should be more realistic obviously didn't watch the many bad games we played this year. It's one thing to know we weren't just going through the AAC like we did CUSA but to finish 6th? Then get blown out yet again in the tournament?

How else should we judge Josh? I thought we were clearly more talented than Virginia but again another blowout. JP has got to get better. The players deserve better.


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Finished third.

My bad we finished 5th not 3rd


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Finished in a three way tie for third.

(03-26-2014 08:29 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  Finished in a three way tie for third.

yep

(03-26-2014 08:29 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  Finished in a three way tie for third.

Who wants to come in third? Not me.

(03-26-2014 07:29 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 03:34 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 08:22 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  I would be interested in how other Rebounders feel about Coach Pastner after this season has ended.

I think that Josh will be our coach. I wish that he would do better in-game interviews on TV, that he would coach better defense, and that he would learn to make better adjustments during games. When we got down in those blow-out losses, he had no answer to prevent the "avalanche". Two wins in the NCAA in 5 years is a very disappointing result.

I think that Josh will be here. Right now, I would not be upset if somebody hired him away. My wife does not like him any more and would like to see him go.

If you comment in this thread, please note if you are a Rebounder.

I'm a Rebounder. Memphis fans need to be more realistic to what type of program we have, not the one we believe we have. There are a handful of programs where Sweet 16s are annually expected and delivered - UNC, UK, KU, Duke. It is unreasonable to expect for a program like Memphis to reach the Sweet 16 every year. Our track record since 1970: 1970s - 1 Final Four, 1980s - 3 Sweet 16, 1 Final Four, 1990s - 1 Sweet 16, 1 Elite 8, 2000s - 2 Elite 8, 1 Final Four, 1 Sweet 16, 2010s - none. Even in our "glory" decades, we failed to make at least the Sweet 16 9, 6, 8, 6 years respectively. Expectation should be to make the tournament 5-6 times a decade, Sweet 16 1-2 times, and a deeper run every 10-15 years.

You're a rebounder. I'm a donator. I give a rats ass what we once did or didn't did! We're a top twenty program now and have been for quite some time. We can stay there if we want to. It's up to all of us. Never lower the bar. Never. You never stop building your program to be the best it can be unless you don't care. Let me tell ya, if you don't want it, there will be somebody right behind you ready to take your place.

Excellent post! This is how I feel. I don't understand the mentality of...we need to except that we are what we are. That type of thinking sucks to me. I for one will never lower my standard and except mediocre results or even worse. We can win here and win big.

We do have some ridiculous expectations here though. Sure Pastner isn't at the success rate we want, but he is so so close...yet gets crucified over it.

For instance, the bank I work for has some 1000+ branches. Last year my branch (my manager has been there 7 years) finished ranked #7 out of those 1000+...matter of fact, we've been top 10 for 3 years now. What you guys are saying is that if my manager left and went to another job I should be expected to keep us top 10 in the branch (keep in mind, this board expected a sweet 16 year 1 of Pastner and a final four year 2). In reality if I finished in the top 100 I would think it would be a huge success...and if I did that for 3-5 years I would think I'm doing ok at figuring this crap out. But should my company fire me because I'm not holding former position (top 10) even though I'm still holding pat for time being (top 100) with plenty of opportunity to grow?


Point being is that Pastner does have his faults...but this board still measures his success against Cal. You can say it until you are blue in the face that you don't...but that isn't true. The reason it isn't true is because he was held to Cal standards from year 2...remember, sweet sixteen year 1 and final four year 2 were almost universally expected on this board. Its not "lowering expectations" so much to say you are satisfied with the level of success....but we could be sooooooooooooo much worse off. We could have been nailed with the Rose stuff, killed in recruiting, and hired a nobody (mind you, nobody wanted the job). While Pastner hasn't just exceeded expectations, he has done everything we ask. "We want to make the NCAA's"....he makes it and loses a close game to Arizona. "We want to win one in the NCAA's"...he gets in and beats St. Mary's before meeting a machine in Michigan State. "Well, he's still a bad coach because he hasn't beat a top 25 team"....he goes out and beats 5 in one season, hell, some of them top 5 teams.

At what point will Josh do anything to please you people?