(03-26-2014 08:29 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 08:26 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 08:19 AM)john01992 Wrote:  this is messed up. i can understand rewriting the textbooks when it comes to science. but basic math? come on man.

math is a science.... At least you you agree with Carl Gauss..

you are the type of prick that likes to argue over anything.

scientific theories and their importance change over time as our understanding changes with new evidence.

basic math has been the same since the times of the greeks

So it was different before then?

And aren't you really talking about arithmetic?

And if it bothers you, why do you keep espousing the liberal beliefs that support these ludicrous actions?

(03-26-2014 11:37 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 08:29 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 08:26 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 08:19 AM)john01992 Wrote:  this is messed up. i can understand rewriting the textbooks when it comes to science. but basic math? come on man.

math is a science.... At least you you agree with Carl Gauss..

you are the type of prick that likes to argue over anything.

scientific theories and their importance change over time as our understanding changes with new evidence.

basic math has been the same since the times of the greeks

So it was different before then?

And aren't you really talking about arithmetic?

And if it bothers you, why do you keep espousing the liberal beliefs that support these ludicrous actions?

let me ask you this.....

are you always this butthurt about what I post or is it just a Wednesday thing for ya?

I'm no teacher and sometimes when my son brings over math homework, I wonder how in the hell did they come up with these stupid methods. As far as this problem goes, though, I think the long term goal is, to have the kids simplify the problem, so they can do the math in their head and be more efficient, instead of wasting time and writing the problem out. Well, at least that is what I hope the goal is

I recall a humorous anecdote that an anthropology professor used about the creation of writing. He said that the first instances of discovered ancient Summerian tablets containing writing were to keep track of amounts of grain produced and bartered.

He then noted that the first person to use writing was not a philosopher or poet, but an accountant.

OK, after showing this to the wife she gave me her opinion.

At first she couldn't figure it out, but when she did she wondered why are we teaching kids to do something the hard way and isn't portable. She thinks this is stupid and that the best way to learn math is to start out with single digits, then double digits, then triple and so on. She believes the method being used in the example is to make sure the dumbest kid in the class has a way of understanding subtraction - so let's dumb down the entire class.

How do they teach math in Asia?

(03-26-2014 09:24 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  What, exactly, is the point of common core anyways? All I can tell is that it takes you 5 minutes to figure out the answer to 50-49.

My son is going to be in big trouble. I used to get points docked because I am mathematically minded and use to do some pretty complex problems in my head and simply write down the answer on my tests without "showing my work". He has the same mind as I. At least I didn't have to deal with this crap and was able to somewhat enjoy math.

(03-26-2014 01:05 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  OK, after showing this to the wife she gave me her opinion.

At first she couldn't figure it out, but when she did she wondered why are we teaching kids to do something the hard way and isn't portable. She thinks this is stupid and that the best way to learn math is to start out with single digits, then double digits, then triple and so on. She believes the method being used in the example is to make sure the dumbest kid in the class has a way of understanding subtraction - so let's dumb down the entire class.

How do they teach math in Asia?

Wait, are you telling me that the best way to learn math, is the way we've always learned it, which was very very easy and simplistic?

(03-26-2014 01:06 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 09:24 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  What, exactly, is the point of common core anyways? All I can tell is that it takes you 5 minutes to figure out the answer to 50-49.

My son is going to be in big trouble. I used to get points docked because I am mathematically minded and use to do some pretty complex problems in my head and simply write down the answer on my tests without "showing my work". He has the same mind as I. At least I didn't have to deal with this crap and was able to somewhat enjoy math.

Same here, we used to get a scratch sheet of paper to work our problems out on and would turn that in with the test so the teacher could see how we're coming up with our answer... Common Core is, simply put, fuucking retarded.

We have a generation who never learned math. Now they're teaching.

(03-26-2014 09:24 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  What, exactly, is the point of common core anyways? All I can tell is that it takes you 5 minutes to figure out the answer to 50-49.

It's a way to make everybody dumb.

You know what helped me out as a kid. An abacus. I didn't have to draw 10 big boxes and such. This new way is for the birds.

(03-26-2014 01:46 PM)Paul M Wrote:  We have a generation who never learned math. Now they're teaching.

Unfortunately... Just wait until the more dumbed down gen gets into teaching... Before you know it, we'll be getting "S" and "U" until High School, where you'll pass even if you fail. I've mentioned it before, my GF is in her Jr year of college, and for every single test, she is allowed to use a calculator, and her book. The questions are all relative to one to three chapters, and every answer can be found in numerical order... i.e. The first question's answer is on page 314, the second question's answer is either below the first answer, or on page 315... I don't see how anybody could fail. She's a very smart girl, but I do hate to see her coming up in a time of dumb education.

I'd like to stick her in 1995 and see how she does on a test after a week of class. No books, no calculators, and definitely no computers.

(03-26-2014 01:05 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  OK, after showing this to the wife she gave me her opinion.

At first she couldn't figure it out, but when she did she wondered why are we teaching kids to do something the hard way and isn't portable. She thinks this is stupid and that the best way to learn math is to start out with single digits, then double digits, then triple and so on. She believes the method being used in the example is to make sure the dumbest kid in the class has a way of understanding subtraction - so let's dumb down the entire class.

How do they teach math in Asia?

I think we are confusing the actual purpose of homework and this handout as a whole.

1. If the teacher knows what he/she is doing, then he/she is not giving the child to teach him how to subtract but rather to simply practice what he has learned.

2. The handout is clearly an exercise in critical thinking skills.

Therefore, as I said before, the parent is being clever but clearly does no understand what the purpose of the homework is for and what the handout is trying to get out of the child.

(03-26-2014 02:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 01:05 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  OK, after showing this to the wife she gave me her opinion.

At first she couldn't figure it out, but when she did she wondered why are we teaching kids to do something the hard way and isn't portable. She thinks this is stupid and that the best way to learn math is to start out with single digits, then double digits, then triple and so on. She believes the method being used in the example is to make sure the dumbest kid in the class has a way of understanding subtraction - so let's dumb down the entire class.

How do they teach math in Asia?

I think we are confusing the actual purpose of homework and this handout as a whole.

1. If the teacher knows what he/she is doing, then he/she is not giving the child to teach him how to subtract but rather to simply practice what he has learned.

2. The handout is clearly an exercise in critical thinking skills.

Therefore, as I said before, the parent is being clever but clearly does no understand what the purpose of the homework is for and what the handout is trying to get out of the child.

Something he will never, ever use in the real world... He'll simply write it out the easy way or do it in his head.

(03-26-2014 02:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 01:05 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  OK, after showing this to the wife she gave me her opinion.

At first she couldn't figure it out, but when she did she wondered why are we teaching kids to do something the hard way and isn't portable. She thinks this is stupid and that the best way to learn math is to start out with single digits, then double digits, then triple and so on. She believes the method being used in the example is to make sure the dumbest kid in the class has a way of understanding subtraction - so let's dumb down the entire class.

How do they teach math in Asia?

I think we are confusing the actual purpose of homework and this handout as a whole.

1. If the teacher knows what he/she is doing, then he/she is not giving the child to teach him how to subtract but rather to simply practice what he has learned.

2. The handout is clearly an exercise in critical thinking skills.

Therefore, as I said before, the parent is being clever but clearly does no understand what the purpose of the homework is for and what the handout is trying to get out of the child.

Critical thinking should lead to efficiencies. This is the opposite of that. In fact, if this was an exercise in critical thinking, the correct answer would be to say "this is a dumb way of doing things." So, props to the dad for being a critical thinker.

I guess we shouldn’t be surprised that “Homework” has become “Handout”

stupid Jack

(03-26-2014 10:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 10:42 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 10:38 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 07:46 AM)Paul M Wrote:  http://www.csnbbs.com/thread-682188-post...id10584406

Clever. Too bad his kid likely learned the wrong message from the experience.

I guess you would prefer the "Do exactly what teacher says and never question the assignment?" message? No?

It's okay for parents to question a teacher's, methods in a letter, phone conversation, or email or even in person. I think it sends the wrong message however for a parent to reply on a child's homework. I hope the teacher gave the kid a zero for not doing his homework.

I hope so too. Then I hope the teacher gets fired for forgetting who the customer is here.

Our alleged teacher just gives more evidence that education professionals want compliance when they say "parental involvement". And more proof that teachers like this are running contrary to true education.

(03-26-2014 10:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Look. I get these kinds of a**holes all the time that come into my classroom and think that just because they make more money than me that they are better than me and can tell me how to teach kids.

Such a telling comment. Your disdain for your customers is duly noted. Your lack of self awareness (they are likely better than you) is also noted.

Quote:I tell them that I don't go to their place of business and tell them how to care for patients or represent clients.

Because they don't work for you.

Quote:I'm happy to listen to their concerns regarding their child but unless you have teaching experience, chances are, your suggestions aren't going to impress me.

How ironic, b/c you have no other experience but have made all sort of claims about what kids will need to know when they grow up and enter the workforce.

(03-26-2014 02:51 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 10:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Look. I get these kinds of a**holes all the time that come into my classroom and think that just because they make more money than me that they are better than me and can tell me how to teach kids.

Such a telling comment. Your disdain for your customers is duly noted. Your lack of self awareness (they are likely better than you) is also noted.

The irony of it all, is that liberals are all about higher education...until someone else comes along who may be smarter. Common sense never comes into play in liberalerica.