(03-25-2014 07:54 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 05:07 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 12:56 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 12:24 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  So what happens after 2018 if the A-10 is headed back to Barclays in 2019-2021. Is this just a stop gap to see what happens to MSG? Is it allowing MSG time to get out of the NBE contract? Is it rotating back to Gboro or Charlotte with plans to go back to NYC for 2022 and beyond?

Hasn't the ACC tournament always rotated? It probably would rotate between NYC, DC and NC. I agree with Dr. Isaly though, Saturday night finals is almost more important.

Yes it rotates.

Over a 15 year period you would probably see it in NYC 6 times, NC 6 times and then once in some combination of Atlanta, DC, and perhaps Pittsburgh.

It should not go to Pittsburgh.

Would Pittsburgh like to have it? Absolutely. The Consol Energy Center already bid for it last time around. But it is not best for the conference if it goes there. It's best for the conference if it is in NYC as much as possible.

Unless people like camping. Pittsburgh probably has 600 hotel rooms in the whole city and suburbs.

NC
NY
NC
NY
-other-
Repeat

NC is a good central location for all the schools.

(03-25-2014 09:48 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  IMO, Greensboro needs to be phased out over time. Once every 10 years as an anniversary gesture. It has one thing going for it, and that is tradition. That's it.

Not going to happen.... ever. The ex-Big East fans will just have to deal with it.

(03-26-2014 12:48 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 08:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I heard they are emailing the recipe for Sweet Tea to NYC chefs. NYC chefs have 3 years to perfect it.

Yuck... lets hope not - that is the worst thing about southern food/drink. It is like diabetes in a glass! Why would they want to go to NYC and have something they have in their own fridge anyway?

I was raised in the South (although I have lived in other areas of the country* as an adult). My advice to visitors - treat yourself to some sweet iced tea, but remember to ask for a 1/2 glass of water to go with it - and be ready to dilute that stuff!

* the raspberry tea in Seattle is every bit as sweet as the tea in NC or SC, it just has raspberry flavoring added.

I like when Charlotte hosts better than Greensboro... so many events and things to do around the arena for fans.

(03-26-2014 01:45 AM)ArQ Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 07:54 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 05:07 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 12:56 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 12:24 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  So what happens after 2018 if the A-10 is headed back to Barclays in 2019-2021. Is this just a stop gap to see what happens to MSG? Is it allowing MSG time to get out of the NBE contract? Is it rotating back to Gboro or Charlotte with plans to go back to NYC for 2022 and beyond?

Hasn't the ACC tournament always rotated? It probably would rotate between NYC, DC and NC. I agree with Dr. Isaly though, Saturday night finals is almost more important.

Yes it rotates.

Over a 15 year period you would probably see it in NYC 6 times, NC 6 times and then once in some combination of Atlanta, DC, and perhaps Pittsburgh.

It should not go to Pittsburgh.

Would Pittsburgh like to have it? Absolutely. The Consol Energy Center already bid for it last time around. But it is not best for the conference if it goes there. It's best for the conference if it is in NYC as much as possible.

Unless people like camping. Pittsburgh probably has 600 hotel rooms in the whole city and suburbs.

This simply can't be accurate.

(03-26-2014 07:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 01:45 AM)ArQ Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 07:54 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 05:07 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 12:56 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  Hasn't the ACC tournament always rotated? It probably would rotate between NYC, DC and NC. I agree with Dr. Isaly though, Saturday night finals is almost more important.

Yes it rotates.

Over a 15 year period you would probably see it in NYC 6 times, NC 6 times and then once in some combination of Atlanta, DC, and perhaps Pittsburgh.

It should not go to Pittsburgh.

Would Pittsburgh like to have it? Absolutely. The Consol Energy Center already bid for it last time around. But it is not best for the conference if it goes there. It's best for the conference if it is in NYC as much as possible.

Unless people like camping. Pittsburgh probably has 600 hotel rooms in the whole city and suburbs.

This simply can't be accurate.

It's not. Although, Pittsburgh does have a hotel "shortage" which impacts their ability to host the biggest conventions.

(03-25-2014 09:48 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Why the hell would you keep the tourney in North Carolina the majority of the time? The ACC already owns the state. It's duplication that completely wastes the next best marketing strategy possible

The impression I get from reading these boards is that most people tend to fall into one of three camps. The first camp seems to view the ACCT as a conference-defining tradition and one which is inexorably linked with the state of North Carolina and/or Greensboro. They see moving the conference tournament as an affront to the history/culture of the ACC and don't want to "sell the conference's soul" just to make a bit more money in the process.

The second camp takes a more middle-of-the-road. On one hand, they understand that college athletics is a business and that rotating the tournament to places like NYC, Washington DC, etc could help boost the value/footprint of the ACC. On the other hand, they also have reason for wanting it to stay in North Carolina (e.g. sense of history/tradition, central location, cost of attendance, don't want to give up current advantages, etc).

The last camp seems to be more business focus. They seem to see the ACCT as a tool the conference can and should use to increase the value/exposure/marketing of the ACC. As long as the conference has UNC, NC State, Duke, and Wake, the conference will have a firm grip on the state of North Carolina regardless of whether the ACCT is held there or not. So why not use the ACCT as a way to increase brand value/awareness in NYC? They are much more willing to trade tradition/history if it leads to more money and better visibility.

Personally, I fall into the last camp of posters and I think a lot of former Big East posters do as well. You could probably make the argument that a lot of us simply aren't seeped in the traditions/history of the ACC like long time ACC schools are so we can't really appreciate what the ACCT means. I tend to think; however, that a lot of us fall into that last group because we know first hand that college sports are a business and that the ACC needs to do whatever is necessary to keep up with the Jones.

(03-25-2014 09:48 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  IMO, Greensboro needs to be phased out over time. Once every 10 years as an anniversary gesture. It has one thing going for it, and that is tradition. That's it.

Agreed. I'm of the opinion that when the tournament is held in North Carolina, it should be in Charlotte almost exclusively.

(03-26-2014 10:04 PM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  The impression I get from reading these boards is that most people tend to fall into one of three camps.

The reality is that the ACC is in competition with multiple other conferences. It doesn't operate in a vacuum. If it doesn't maximize its resources it won't keep up with the conferences that are willing to do so. It is operating in a very competitive, cut throat business.

(03-26-2014 10:04 PM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 09:48 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Why the hell would you keep the tourney in North Carolina the majority of the time? The ACC already owns the state. It's duplication that completely wastes the next best marketing strategy possible

The impression I get from reading these boards is that most people tend to fall into one of three camps. The first camp seems to view the ACCT as a conference-defining tradition and one which is inexorably linked with the state of North Carolina and/or Greensboro. They see moving the conference tournament as an affront to the history/culture of the ACC and don't want to "sell the conference's soul" just to make a bit more money in the process.

The second camp takes a more middle-of-the-road. On one hand, they understand that college athletics is a business and that rotating the tournament to places like NYC, Washington DC, etc could help boost the value/footprint of the ACC. On the other hand, they also have reason for wanting it to stay in North Carolina (e.g. sense of history/tradition, central location, cost of attendance, don't want to give up current advantages, etc).

The last camp seems to be more business focus. They seem to see the ACCT as a tool the conference can and should use to increase the value/exposure/marketing of the ACC. As long as the conference has UNC, NC State, Duke, and Wake, the conference will have a firm grip on the state of North Carolina regardless of whether the ACCT is held there or not. So why not use the ACCT as a way to increase brand value/awareness in NYC? They are much more willing to trade tradition/history if it leads to more money and better visibility.

Personally, I fall into the last camp of posters and I think a lot of former Big East posters do as well. You could probably make the argument that a lot of us simply aren't seeped in the traditions/history of the ACC like long time ACC schools are so we can't really appreciate what the ACCT means. I tend to think; however, that a lot of us fall into that last group because we know first hand that college sports are a business and that the ACC needs to do whatever is necessary to keep up with the Jones.

(03-25-2014 09:48 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  IMO, Greensboro needs to be phased out over time. Once every 10 years as an anniversary gesture. It has one thing going for it, and that is tradition. That's it.

Agreed. I'm of the opinion that when the tournament is held in North Carolina, it should be in Charlotte almost exclusively.

Your assessment at first glance seems to be accurate.
The problem, of course, is that your way of thinking will eventually destroy the very thing that you are trying to promote.

(03-27-2014 07:19 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 10:04 PM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  ...we know first hand that college sports are a business and that the ACC needs to do whatever is necessary to keep up with the Jones.

Your assessment at first glance seems to be accurate.
The problem, of course, is that your way of thinking will eventually destroy the very thing that you are trying to promote.

Sadly, when the barbarians attack you have to give up the cottage and move into the castle. C'est la vie.

(03-27-2014 07:19 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 10:04 PM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 09:48 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Why the hell would you keep the tourney in North Carolina the majority of the time? The ACC already owns the state. It's duplication that completely wastes the next best marketing strategy possible

The impression I get from reading these boards is that most people tend to fall into one of three camps. The first camp seems to view the ACCT as a conference-defining tradition and one which is inexorably linked with the state of North Carolina and/or Greensboro. They see moving the conference tournament as an affront to the history/culture of the ACC and don't want to "sell the conference's soul" just to make a bit more money in the process.

The second camp takes a more middle-of-the-road. On one hand, they understand that college athletics is a business and that rotating the tournament to places like NYC, Washington DC, etc could help boost the value/footprint of the ACC. On the other hand, they also have reason for wanting it to stay in North Carolina (e.g. sense of history/tradition, central location, cost of attendance, don't want to give up current advantages, etc).

The last camp seems to be more business focus. They seem to see the ACCT as a tool the conference can and should use to increase the value/exposure/marketing of the ACC. As long as the conference has UNC, NC State, Duke, and Wake, the conference will have a firm grip on the state of North Carolina regardless of whether the ACCT is held there or not. So why not use the ACCT as a way to increase brand value/awareness in NYC? They are much more willing to trade tradition/history if it leads to more money and better visibility.

Personally, I fall into the last camp of posters and I think a lot of former Big East posters do as well. You could probably make the argument that a lot of us simply aren't seeped in the traditions/history of the ACC like long time ACC schools are so we can't really appreciate what the ACCT means. I tend to think; however, that a lot of us fall into that last group because we know first hand that college sports are a business and that the ACC needs to do whatever is necessary to keep up with the Jones.

(03-25-2014 09:48 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  IMO, Greensboro needs to be phased out over time. Once every 10 years as an anniversary gesture. It has one thing going for it, and that is tradition. That's it.

Agreed. I'm of the opinion that when the tournament is held in North Carolina, it should be in Charlotte almost exclusively.

Your assessment at first glance seems to be accurate.
The problem, of course, is that your way of thinking will eventually destroy the very thing that you are trying to promote.

Weeeeell, NOT making the ACC as financially lucrative as possible may do the very same thing.

(03-25-2014 09:48 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 09:13 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 07:54 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 05:07 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 12:56 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  Hasn't the ACC tournament always rotated? It probably would rotate between NYC, DC and NC. I agree with Dr. Isaly though, Saturday night finals is almost more important.

Yes it rotates.

Over a 15 year period you would probably see it in NYC 6 times, NC 6 times and then once in some combination of Atlanta, DC, and perhaps Pittsburgh.

It should not go to Pittsburgh.

Would Pittsburgh like to have it? Absolutely. The Consol Energy Center already bid for it last time around. But it is not best for the conference if it goes there. It's best for the conference if it is in NYC as much as possible.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

I believe its in the conference's best interest to do the following in a 7-year window:

- 3 years in NC (Greensboro, Charlotte)
- 2 years in NYC
- 2 years open rotation around the footprint so the following locales have the opportunity to host when the money is right -- Miami, Boston, Orlando, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Atlanta, Tampa, heck even Indianapolis is in the footprint now.

Why would such a rotation help the conference? I couldn't disagree with you more strongly, and I've lived in several of those cities, and holding the tourney in most of them would be a huge waste if not an outright disaster (like Miami). Thankfully, there's no way most of those cities ever happen. Why the hell would you keep the tourney in North Carolina the majority of the time? The ACC already owns the state. It's duplication that completely wastes the next best marketing strategy possible, in the biggest media market and biggest recruiting grounds in the country, next to adding St. John's as a member, and that's why the conference is going there in the first place even though they have to settle for a second fiddle arena. The only reason to keep the tourney in Carolina, other than tradition, is cronyism and that isn't a valid reason.

IMO, Greensboro needs to be phased out over time. Once every 10 years as an anniversary gesture. It has one thing going for it, and that is tradition. That's it.

Basically agree on all accounts. It needs to remain a presence in NC because the schools there want that, but I'd prefer Charlotte.

Thanks for the Teel link.

Said this before but if it absolutely has to rotate in should only do so between NYC and NC. One is central to the northern wing and the other to the southern. No reason at all to take to DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Pitt or anywhere else.

(03-26-2014 07:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 01:45 AM)ArQ Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 07:54 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 05:07 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 12:56 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  Hasn't the ACC tournament always rotated? It probably would rotate between NYC, DC and NC. I agree with Dr. Isaly though, Saturday night finals is almost more important.

Yes it rotates.

Over a 15 year period you would probably see it in NYC 6 times, NC 6 times and then once in some combination of Atlanta, DC, and perhaps Pittsburgh.

It should not go to Pittsburgh.

Would Pittsburgh like to have it? Absolutely. The Consol Energy Center already bid for it last time around. But it is not best for the conference if it goes there. It's best for the conference if it is in NYC as much as possible.

Unless people like camping. Pittsburgh probably has 600 hotel rooms in the whole city and suburbs.

This simply can't be accurate.

It's not. I'm pretty sure he was joking.

You do realize that Pittsburgh has hosted things like the G-20 Summit - a worldwide leadership conference. Outside of Miami and Boston, how many other ACC towns could do that?

Pittsburgh has also hosted the MLB and NHL All-Star weekends and all the rest of it. Also, Steelers games have been sold out every single week since 1970 are always full of out of town guests as fans of the Steelers or of the teams they are playing.

I have no idea what the impetus was for that claim but I can tell you that it is patently absurd. That's why I think he was joking.

As for the ACC Tournament, I'm with Paco. It should be played in NYC as often as possible. However, if it's not going to be played in NYC or another major city like DC or Atlanta, Pittsburgh is just as good a choice as Charlotte, Greensboro, etc.

Also, the Final should be at 8 p.m. on Saturday night. ACC fans would grow to LOVE that in a hurry regardless of where the games are played.

I'm also a huge believer in our Championship game should be played under the bright lights in PRIME TIME!!!!


...not on sunday morning, not that there is something wrong with that but think we should collectively want BIGGER.

FLossY out...

(03-27-2014 01:52 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 07:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 01:45 AM)ArQ Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 07:54 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 05:07 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Yes it rotates.

Over a 15 year period you would probably see it in NYC 6 times, NC 6 times and then once in some combination of Atlanta, DC, and perhaps Pittsburgh.

It should not go to Pittsburgh.

Would Pittsburgh like to have it? Absolutely. The Consol Energy Center already bid for it last time around. But it is not best for the conference if it goes there. It's best for the conference if it is in NYC as much as possible.

Unless people like camping. Pittsburgh probably has 600 hotel rooms in the whole city and suburbs.

This simply can't be accurate.

It's not. I'm pretty sure he was joking.

You do realize that Pittsburgh has hosted things like the G-20 Summit - a worldwide leadership conference. Outside of Miami and Boston, how many other ACC towns could do that?

Pittsburgh has also hosted the MLB and NHL All-Star weekends and all the rest of it. Also, Steelers games have been sold out every single week since 1970 are always full of out of town guests as fans of the Steelers or of the teams they are playing.

I have no idea what the impetus was for that claim but I can tell you that it is patently absurd. That's why I think he was joking.

As for the ACC Tournament, I'm with Paco. It should be played in NYC as often as possible. However, if it's not going to be played in NYC or another major city like DC or Atlanta, Pittsburgh is just as good a choice as Charlotte, Greensboro, etc.

Also, the Final should be at 8 p.m. on Saturday night. ACC fans would grow to LOVE that in a hurry regardless of where the games are played.

That's when the final used to be played BEFORE ESPN moved it to Sunday afternoon.
Everybody liked the Saturday night game. The ladies had a chance to shop and a lot of folks were able to get in a round of golf on Saturday afternoon before the game. It also gave those that were traveling a day to do so.
You will get no argument from any fans about a Saturday night game as opposed to a Sunday afternoon contest.

(03-27-2014 12:52 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  Said this before but if it absolutely has to rotate in should only do so between NYC and NC. One is central to the northern wing and the other to the southern. No reason at all to take to DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Pitt or anywhere else.

Agreed, I don't want to drive UNC & others out of the conference and watch it implode. The tourney part of the time on NC and part in NYC is ideal, if they want to go DC/ATL some, maybe that would be ok, but let's not complicate it...

For the majority of the UofL fanbase, I'd have to think NC is far more convenient and affordable, so not sure why some Cards fans seem to want it totally in NYC. Maybe these are the more affluent ones..

If the NC schools, and maybe others, get disgruntled about moving their tourney, I'm sure the SEC would have no problem coming along and saying, 'we have our Fball CCG in Atlanta, but we can always hold the Bball tourney in NC if you like, we don't give a dam...'

(03-27-2014 06:23 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 12:52 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  Said this before but if it absolutely has to rotate in should only do so between NYC and NC. One is central to the northern wing and the other to the southern. No reason at all to take to DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Pitt or anywhere else.

Agreed, I don't want to drive UNC & others out of the conference and watch it implode. The tourney part of the time on NC and part in NYC is ideal, if they want to go DC/ATL some, maybe that would be ok, but let's not complicate it...

For the majority of the UofL fanbase, I'd have to think NC is far more convenient and affordable, so not sure why some Cards fans seem to want it totally in NYC. Maybe these are the more affluent ones..

If the NC schools, and maybe others, get disgruntled about moving their tourney, I'm sure the SEC would have no problem coming along and saying, 'we have our Fball CCG in Atlanta, but we can always hold the Bball tourney in NC if you like, we don't give a dam...'

If these **** yankees keep trying to change our conference, we'll listen.

the question is: what is the over-arching objective?

answer is threefold:
1. make the acc as financially successful as possible
2. stage the tournament for the highest profile/exposure possible
3. build conference identity and solidarity

these three factors demand a rotation between NC and NY...but charlotte is a FAR better option for the NC rotation. Gboro isn't high profile enough. charlotte is another atlanta and has a major airport for ease of travel. Gboro should be phased out over time, IMO.

(03-27-2014 07:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 06:23 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 12:52 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  Said this before but if it absolutely has to rotate in should only do so between NYC and NC. One is central to the northern wing and the other to the southern. No reason at all to take to DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Pitt or anywhere else.

Agreed, I don't want to drive UNC & others out of the conference and watch it implode. The tourney part of the time on NC and part in NYC is ideal, if they want to go DC/ATL some, maybe that would be ok, but let's not complicate it...

For the majority of the UofL fanbase, I'd have to think NC is far more convenient and affordable, so not sure why some Cards fans seem to want it totally in NYC. Maybe these are the more affluent ones..

If the NC schools, and maybe others, get disgruntled about moving their tourney, I'm sure the SEC would have no problem coming along and saying, 'we have our Fball CCG in Atlanta, but we can always hold the Bball tourney in NC if you like, we don't give a dam...'

If these **** yankees keep trying to change our conference, we'll listen.