18 game schedule in a 14 team league generally means you play 13 teams once and 5 teams twice.

So this would work best with these pods:

UTEP/UTSA
Rice/UNT
LT/USM
UAB/Charlotte
MT/WKU
FAU/FIU
ODU/MU

So UTEP/UTSA: Rice/UNT UAB/Charlotte
Rice/UNT: UTEP/UTSA LT/USM
LT/USM: Rice/UNT MT/WKU
MT/WKU: LT/USM FAU/FIU
ODU/MU: UAB/Charlotte FAU/FIU
UAB/Charlotte: UTEP/UTSA ODU/MU
FAU/FIU: MT/WKU ODU/MU

Something like this?

(03-25-2014 12:46 PM)herdfan2013 Wrote:  So this would work best with these pods:

UTEP/UTSA
Rice/UNT
LT/USM
UAB/Charlotte
MT/WKU
FAU/FIU
ODU/MU

So UTEP/UTSA: Rice/UNT UAB/Charlotte
Rice/UNT: UTEP/UTSA LT/USM
LT/USM: Rice/UNT MT/WKU
MT/WKU: LT/USM FAU/FIU
ODU/MU: UAB/Charlotte FAU/FIU
UAB/Charlotte: UTEP/UTSA ODU/MU
FAU/FIU: MT/WKU ODU/MU

Something like this?

Seems right, but I imagine the home and homes would be more regional.

I could see something like Charlotte/Marshall: WKU/MT, ODU/Western Team

and UTEP/UTSA: USM/LT, UAB/Eastern Team

As a Charlotte fan, my ideal (permanent) Home & Home partners would be:

Charlotte/Marshall: WKU/MT, ODU/UAB

(03-25-2014 11:20 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  You might be willing to match our top teams, but OOC is the difference between us and them.

Dayton beat Gonzaga, Cal, Iona and Mississippi
VCU beat Virginia, Belmont, and Eastern Kentucky
UMass beat LSU, Nebraska, New Mexico, Clemson, Eastern Michigan, BYU, Ohio, and Providence
George Washington beat Manhattan, Creighton, Maryland, Boston, and Georgia
St Louis beat Indiana State. They definitely benefited from the rest of the conference.
St Josephs beat Boston. They also won their tournament, so that's that.

If our top 5 or 6 teams had anything close to resembling those wins OOC, we would have been set too. The problem is we didn't. Southern Miss had 2 top 100's, so did La Tech, MTSU had 1, along with a loss to Maine, Tulsa had one along with 3 WTF losses, and UTEP had 1, along with that New Orleans loss. It's fun to sit here and say we are better than them because of _______ but the reality is they proved **** on the court and we didn't.

The only thing you are proving to me is that traditional power teams in the Midwest and Northeast are willing to play teams like us (just not us) and everyone below the Mason Dixon and out west are not.

I'm sure Oklahoma won't schedule us again, OK State might think about it. After this run in the NIT it's not going to get easier. I got 5 that no one in CUSA finishing 8 or better gets a game against an SEC team next season.

(03-25-2014 12:56 PM)papa_dawg Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 11:20 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  You might be willing to match our top teams, but OOC is the difference between us and them.

Dayton beat Gonzaga, Cal, Iona and Mississippi
VCU beat Virginia, Belmont, and Eastern Kentucky
UMass beat LSU, Nebraska, New Mexico, Clemson, Eastern Michigan, BYU, Ohio, and Providence
George Washington beat Manhattan, Creighton, Maryland, Boston, and Georgia
St Louis beat Indiana State. They definitely benefited from the rest of the conference.
St Josephs beat Boston. They also won their tournament, so that's that.

If our top 5 or 6 teams had anything close to resembling those wins OOC, we would have been set too. The problem is we didn't. Southern Miss had 2 top 100's, so did La Tech, MTSU had 1, along with a loss to Maine, Tulsa had one along with 3 WTF losses, and UTEP had 1, along with that New Orleans loss. It's fun to sit here and say we are better than them because of _______ but the reality is they proved **** on the court and we didn't.

The only thing you are proving to me is that traditional power teams in the Midwest and Northeast are willing to play teams like us (just not us) and everyone below the Mason Dixon and out west are not.

I'm sure Oklahoma won't schedule us again, OK State might think about it. After this run in the NIT it's not going to get easier. I got 5 that no one in CUSA finishing 8 or better gets a game against an SEC team next season.

That's part of the problem. The NIT doesn't raise your profile. You look just good enough to be dangerous so teams don't want to schedule you, but the perception is that you're still a bad loss. Gotta make the tournament and win games before that perception changes.

(03-25-2014 12:13 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  18 game schedule in a 14 team league generally means you play 13 teams once and 5 teams twice.

Unless I'm having a brain fart that would be 23 games.

(03-25-2014 01:13 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 12:13 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  18 game schedule in a 14 team league generally means you play 13 teams once and 5 teams twice.

Unless I'm having a brain fart that would be 23 games.

you're not....his math is as competent as having 18 game schedule....

(03-25-2014 01:13 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 12:13 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  18 game schedule in a 14 team league generally means you play 13 teams once and 5 teams twice.

Unless I'm having a brain fart that would be 23 games.

Let me rephrase what he said:
You play everyone (13 teams) once and 5 teams a second time (twice)

(03-25-2014 01:36 PM)Stephen Shirley Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 01:13 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 12:13 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  18 game schedule in a 14 team league generally means you play 13 teams once and 5 teams twice.

Unless I'm having a brain fart that would be 23 games.

Let me rephrase what he said:
You play everyone (13 teams) once and 5 teams a second time (twice)

still doesn't change the stupidity of having an 18 game schedule....

(03-25-2014 09:25 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I think it should be done to maximize RPI ranking potential. I don't know how you can forsee how good a team will or won't be; educated guess each year I guess.

The way to maximize RPI potential is by minimizing the negative conference effects. It should never be more than a 16-game conference schedule. You have to get the OOC wins in basketball, so it makes no sense to rob every team in the conference of two of those opportunities. I'm very disppointed by this news.

The projected top 6 teams play each other twice, then bottom 8 in some way or form play each other twice?

I think this would only work with a 19 game schedule. The projected top half plays each other twice, the projected bottom half teams play each other twice and the rest once

edit: but then with 19, half the league will be screwed out of a home game

(03-25-2014 01:55 PM)HSV_BLAZER Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 09:25 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I think it should be done to maximize RPI ranking potential. I don't know how you can forsee how good a team will or won't be; educated guess each year I guess.

The way to maximize RPI potential is by minimizing the negative conference effects. It should never be more than a 16-game conference schedule. You have to get the OOC wins in basketball, so it makes no sense to rob every team in the conference of two of those opportunities. I'm very disppointed by this news.

On the flipside....it reduces the chance for embarrassing OOC losses. Hey...just trying to find the positive.

(03-25-2014 01:55 PM)HSV_BLAZER Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 09:25 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I think it should be done to maximize RPI ranking potential. I don't know how you can forsee how good a team will or won't be; educated guess each year I guess.

The way to maximize RPI potential is by minimizing the negative conference effects. It should never be more than a 16-game conference schedule. You have to get the OOC wins in basketball, so it makes no sense to rob every team in the conference of two of those opportunities. I'm very disppointed by this news.

which would be wins on the road, right? ...think that was somewhat accomplished this year....right?

how did our RPI work out this year....right?

One thing that I've learned about RPI....it doesn't matter when the name is attached.

get a clue.....

it's the evaluation system that has to change.....

The only way that happens is if people press the issue(pun intended)

...as long as the masses allow the media to steer the car.....it's a busload of crash for the 'undesirables'.....

(03-25-2014 01:58 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 01:55 PM)HSV_BLAZER Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 09:25 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I think it should be done to maximize RPI ranking potential. I don't know how you can forsee how good a team will or won't be; educated guess each year I guess.

The way to maximize RPI potential is by minimizing the negative conference effects. It should never be more than a 16-game conference schedule. You have to get the OOC wins in basketball, so it makes no sense to rob every team in the conference of two of those opportunities. I'm very disppointed by this news.

On the flipside....it reduces the chance for embarrassing OOC losses. Hey...just trying to find the positive.

It reduces the chance of ANYTHING in OOC. This move means that if you want to get good wins, you'll have to get rid of the low majors off of your schedule, meaning that there's less 'rest' games for the team. This reduces the chance for the team to get good wins cause they have to play good or better competition more consistently. This move is even worse for the western teams, who will probably have to play Rice and UTSA twice, making their RPI plummet. This is not a good idea if you ask me.

(03-25-2014 02:00 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 01:55 PM)HSV_BLAZER Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 09:25 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I think it should be done to maximize RPI ranking potential. I don't know how you can forsee how good a team will or won't be; educated guess each year I guess.

The way to maximize RPI potential is by minimizing the negative conference effects. It should never be more than a 16-game conference schedule. You have to get the OOC wins in basketball, so it makes no sense to rob every team in the conference of two of those opportunities. I'm very disppointed by this news.

which would be wins on the road, right? ...think that was somewhat accomplished this year....right?

how did our RPI work out this year....right?

One thing that I've learned about RPI....it doesn't matter when the name is attached.

get a clue.....

it's the evaluation system that has to change.....

The only way that happens is if people press the issue(pun intended)

...as long as the masses allow the media to steer the car.....it's a busload of crash for the 'undesirables'.....

The name attached to your RPI had nothing to do with it. You are just the most recent team to experience what happens with a shiny record and/or RPI and no substance.(this happened to SMU, Va Tech, Alabama, Utah State, Missouri State, etc. in recent years) Once again, the media does not select tournament teams.

(03-25-2014 02:07 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 02:00 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 01:55 PM)HSV_BLAZER Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 09:25 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I think it should be done to maximize RPI ranking potential. I don't know how you can forsee how good a team will or won't be; educated guess each year I guess.

The way to maximize RPI potential is by minimizing the negative conference effects. It should never be more than a 16-game conference schedule. You have to get the OOC wins in basketball, so it makes no sense to rob every team in the conference of two of those opportunities. I'm very disppointed by this news.

which would be wins on the road, right? ...think that was somewhat accomplished this year....right?

how did our RPI work out this year....right?

One thing that I've learned about RPI....it doesn't matter when the name is attached.

get a clue.....

it's the evaluation system that has to change.....

The only way that happens is if people press the issue(pun intended)

...as long as the masses allow the media to steer the car.....it's a busload of crash for the 'undesirables'.....

The name attached to your RPI had nothing to do with it. You are just the most recent team to experience what happens with a shiny record and/or RPI and no substance.(this happened to SMU, Va Tech, Alabama, Utah State, Missouri State, etc. in recent years) Once again, the media does not select tournament teams.

It happened to Syracuse a few years ago when they didn't leave the state of New York during the non-conference schedule. And Syracuse is definitely a "name" team.

(03-25-2014 02:02 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 01:58 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 01:55 PM)HSV_BLAZER Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 09:25 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I think it should be done to maximize RPI ranking potential. I don't know how you can forsee how good a team will or won't be; educated guess each year I guess.

The way to maximize RPI potential is by minimizing the negative conference effects. It should never be more than a 16-game conference schedule. You have to get the OOC wins in basketball, so it makes no sense to rob every team in the conference of two of those opportunities. I'm very disppointed by this news.

On the flipside....it reduces the chance for embarrassing OOC losses. Hey...just trying to find the positive.

It reduces the chance of ANYTHING in OOC. This move means that if you want to get good wins, you'll have to get rid of the low majors off of your schedule, meaning that there's less 'rest' games for the team. This reduces the chance for the team to get good wins cause they have to play good or better competition more consistently. This move is even worse for the western teams, who will probably have to play Rice and UTSA twice, making their RPI plummet. This is not a good idea if you ask me.

If the conference increases play within and ooc scheduling becomes better at the top....tell me how this doesn't help with perception.

I still think we're fuxxored no matter what, but someone in the media may grasp that concept. jmo....

(03-25-2014 02:10 PM)HSV_BLAZER Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 02:07 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 02:00 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 01:55 PM)HSV_BLAZER Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 09:25 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I think it should be done to maximize RPI ranking potential. I don't know how you can forsee how good a team will or won't be; educated guess each year I guess.

The way to maximize RPI potential is by minimizing the negative conference effects. It should never be more than a 16-game conference schedule. You have to get the OOC wins in basketball, so it makes no sense to rob every team in the conference of two of those opportunities. I'm very disppointed by this news.

which would be wins on the road, right? ...think that was somewhat accomplished this year....right?

how did our RPI work out this year....right?

One thing that I've learned about RPI....it doesn't matter when the name is attached.

get a clue.....

it's the evaluation system that has to change.....

The only way that happens is if people press the issue(pun intended)

...as long as the masses allow the media to steer the car.....it's a busload of crash for the 'undesirables'.....

The name attached to your RPI had nothing to do with it. You are just the most recent team to experience what happens with a shiny record and/or RPI and no substance.(this happened to SMU, Va Tech, Alabama, Utah State, Missouri State, etc. in recent years) Once again, the media does not select tournament teams.

It happened to Syracuse a few years ago when they didn't leave the state of New York during the non-conference schedule. And Syracuse is definitely a "name" team.

you really guys really believe that....nobody likes boeheim....you really think the media stir throughout the year doesn't have an impact???? ummmmkay....

almost everyone on this board claimed cusa was a one bid league.....I wonder why....super sigh

(03-25-2014 02:10 PM)HSV_BLAZER Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 02:07 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  The name attached to your RPI had nothing to do with it. You are just the most recent team to experience what happens with a shiny record and/or RPI and no substance.(this happened to SMU, Va Tech, Alabama, Utah State, Missouri State, etc. in recent years) Once again, the media does not select tournament teams.

It happened to Syracuse a few years ago when they didn't leave the state of New York during the non-conference schedule. And Syracuse is definitely a "name" team.

Exactly. Stop worrying about the RPI or media narrative or conference perception. It is about your team's resume. CUSA didn't get multiple bids because no team's resume demonstrated they were worthy of inclusion. Schedule better and win better games and it doesn't matter what conference you play in. Conferences don't get bids, teams get bids.

(03-25-2014 02:19 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 02:10 PM)HSV_BLAZER Wrote:  

(03-25-2014 02:07 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  The name attached to your RPI had nothing to do with it. You are just the most recent team to experience what happens with a shiny record and/or RPI and no substance.(this happened to SMU, Va Tech, Alabama, Utah State, Missouri State, etc. in recent years) Once again, the media does not select tournament teams.

It happened to Syracuse a few years ago when they didn't leave the state of New York during the non-conference schedule. And Syracuse is definitely a "name" team.

Exactly. Stop worrying about the RPI or media narrative or conference perception. It is about your team's resume. CUSA didn't get multiple bids because no team's resume demonstrated they were worthy of inclusion. Schedule better and win better games and it doesn't matter what conference you play in. Conferences don't get bids, teams get bids.

That's easy for you to say.....we're fuxxored in missippy....even Larry Brown complained about it, and he's Larry fkn Brown in Dallas where nobody knows your name....

you yankees know everything and it's just 'that' easy....you have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to scheduling in the 'burg.

...welcome to cusa....