(03-28-2014 12:30 PM)qsilvr2531 Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 10:11 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Yep...taxed as income and would get to dump into Obamacare exchanges for healthcare unless accepted as an additional taxed benefit from the "employer". I can't wait to watch the parade of horribles the idiot Chicago NLRB just kicked off if reason does not break out and this is not overturned.

Something tells me they'll negotiate for health insurance as full-time employees (since that was part of their original demand I don't think that is being overlooked). The stipends are already taxable. It isn't like they've never considered any of this and it will come as a huge shock.

I get that everyone hates unions but I'm still not seeing the legal rationale behind the claim that these guys aren't employees. The NCAA just needs to do the same thing every other business needs to do to keep it's employees from forming a union, treat them reasonably. They've had many opportunities to do so over the years but they've avoided it and this, along with the string of lawsuits, is the result.

Plaintiff Workers Compensation attorneys are going to buy yachts off of all the money ro be made on this mess...think every single injury...and long term temporary and permanent partial disability. Lol.

This is a steaming pile.

(03-28-2014 01:02 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 12:30 PM)qsilvr2531 Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 10:11 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Yep...taxed as income and would get to dump into Obamacare exchanges for healthcare unless accepted as an additional taxed benefit from the "employer". I can't wait to watch the parade of horribles the idiot Chicago NLRB just kicked off if reason does not break out and this is not overturned.

Something tells me they'll negotiate for health insurance as full-time employees (since that was part of their original demand I don't think that is being overlooked). The stipends are already taxable. It isn't like they've never considered any of this and it will come as a huge shock.

I get that everyone hates unions but I'm still not seeing the legal rationale behind the claim that these guys aren't employees. The NCAA just needs to do the same thing every other business needs to do to keep it's employees from forming a union, treat them reasonably. They've had many opportunities to do so over the years but they've avoided it and this, along with the string of lawsuits, is the result.

Plaintiff Workers Compensation attorneys are going to buy yachts off of all the money ro be made on this mess...think every single injury...and long term temporary and permanent partial disability. Lol.

This is a steaming pile.

Why isn't that an issue in the NFL or every other professional sports league?

Long term health care is one of the things players mentioned as far as reasons for forming the union in the first place.

I do agree there is lots of money to be made off of college sports.

Collective bargaining agreements address a lot of it for the dues paying membership..and btw it is actually a huge problem with the NFL right now. Litigation in dollar amounts that start with a B.

(03-28-2014 01:13 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Collective bargaining agreements address a lot of it for the dues paying membership..and btw it is actually a huge problem with the NFL right now. Litigation in dollar amounts that start with a B.

Right, that's why the players want to unionize, so they can collectively bargain regarding the issue of long term health care. Isn't the NFL's issue primarily with players who never got covered by collective bargaining (but are still seeing massive long term health effects)? It's going to be a huge problem with the NCAA eventually (whether players unionize or not) because those health problems exist for NCAA players as well. Football, in general, has problems facing it going forward.

There is collective bargaining and then there is collective bargaining. They want this to be like the NFLPA, this goose is cooked. They want it to be like a local unit, completely different system and completely different end results.

I negotiated CWA and IBEW local contracts for a spell back in yonder days. Once colleges go the player association route, we will need to start looking for different hobbies because boards like this will be ghost towns when folks opt out of giving a **** about institutionalized minor league systems with a CBA.

I want all the swim teams and softball players to join in on this to choke the entire mess of weeds.

And to be clear, no union has limited goals.

Things that will be really awesome? Coaches will be classified as managment so there will be a phone book set of rules (more than now) governing contact, communication, and addressing all misconduct or performance related issues. Sweet. Cuts both ways...want to talk to your position coach about a problem? Call the union rep.

Oh , and I can't wait for that locker room comradarie when it comes time to vote for a local unit and there is a campaign for and against...and there will be.

Wait till the strength of the local unit becomes a recruiting tool...do you really think Ohio State and Alabama will not maximize on this? Good one.

The potential topics on this are limitless. I do not think a lot of people understand what goes into unionizing. This is an amoeba.

(03-28-2014 03:01 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  There is collective bargaining and then there is collective bargaining. They want this to be like the NFLPA, this goose is cooked. They want it to be like a local unit, completely different system and completely different end results.

I negotiated CWA and IBEW local contracts for a spell back in yonder days. Once colleges go the player association route, we will need to start looking for different hobbies because boards like this will be ghost towns when folks opt out of giving a **** about institutionalized minor league systems with a CBA.

I want all the swim teams and softball players to join in on this to choke the entire mess of weeds.

I don't think swim teams and softball players can actually qualify as employees, at least not via the route football and basketball players have.

(03-28-2014 03:26 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  And to be clear, no union has limited goals.

Things that will be really awesome? Coaches will be classified as managment so there will be a phone book set of rules (more than now) governing contact, communication, and addressing all misconduct or performance related issues. Sweet. Cuts both ways...want to talk to your position coach about a problem? Call the union rep.

Oh , and I can't wait for that locker room comradarie when it comes time to vote for a local unit and there is a campaign for and against...and there will be.

Wait till the strength of the local unit becomes a recruiting tool...do you really think Ohio State and Alabama will not maximize on this? Good one.

The potential topics on this are limitless. I do not think a lot of people understand what goes into unionizing. This is an amoeba.

These aren't actually issues in the other professional leagues. I've worked with unions in the past (UAW) but my experience with them was very different from my experience in a ML locker room (worked in the Tigers clubhouse in 1996). I'm certainly not an expert in unions or professional sports but I think a lot of the concerns people have are very hypothetical and not likely to actually come to anything.

Personally, I doubt the union ever actually takes hold because the NCAA, especially the big brands, will take steps to make it a non-issue. Extra stipends are coming. Letting players sell autographs and get endorsements is probably coming as well. Unionization is just a symptom of the bigger problems the NCAA has right now.

How this impacts UC is an entirely different question. Being left off the big kid table is probably going to be really bad. Being at the bottom of the big kid table might be worse though.

(03-28-2014 03:35 PM)qsilvr2531 Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 03:01 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  There is collective bargaining and then there is collective bargaining. They want this to be like the NFLPA, this goose is cooked. They want it to be like a local unit, completely different system and completely different end results.

I negotiated CWA and IBEW local contracts for a spell back in yonder days. Once colleges go the player association route, we will need to start looking for different hobbies because boards like this will be ghost towns when folks opt out of giving a **** about institutionalized minor league systems with a CBA.

I want all the swim teams and softball players to join in on this to choke the entire mess of weeds.

I don't think swim teams and softball players can actually qualify as employees, at least not via the route football and basketball players have.

A good Title IX attorney who gets all of his or her fees paid under a concurrent Section 1983 claim for violating the civil rights of the gals on the volleyball team would beg to differ.