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Poll: Looking back, do you view this season as being a "successful" season?
Absolutely! I hope every season is exactly this successful!
I was pleasantly surprised by this season. I'd say that this season was somewhat successful.
Eh. Could have been better, could have been worse...I don't really care.
Though there were some high points, the Bucs definitely DID NOT have a successful season.
To mention "success" and "2013-14 Bucs" in the same breath is laughable.
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MyBB Was this season a "success?"
Winning season? Yes, 19-16. Post season play? Yes, CIT. Post season win? Yes, 1. Earning more wins than last year? Yes, a 90% improvement. Beating an NCAA tournament team? Yes, SFA. Beating a team from a higher RPI conference? Yes, Valparaiso (Horizon League) and Marshall (Conference USA). Beating conference rivals on the road? Yes, Kennesaw, NKU, Lipscomb, and North Florida. Beating future conference rivals? Yes, Samford and UTC.

So, does all that add up to being a "successful" season?

What should be the obtainable goals to classify next season as being a "successful" season? What should be the ongoing standards for every year's Buccaneer team?
03-24-2014 02:09 AM
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RE: Was this season a "success?"
The ongoing standard needs to be that ETSU is in the mix for the conference title and in a position to go to the NIT if they lose a game in the conference championship. Basically the position that Belmont has been in for years now, If we make the NCAA tournament or the NIT we should have the realistic idea that we can win a game.

Beating Lipscomb, North Florida, etc. on the road is not something to hang our hats on. Neither is beating a team from the Horizon league. The bottom line is that we watered down the schedule this year, had a decent OOC success because of that and then were the 4th best team in our conference. If we had made the NCAA tournament it would have been a fluke and we would have gotten beat by 30.

More than any of that- ETSU fans need to have the hope that our team can be in that position each year. Of course every team will have down years, like Mercer will have next year. I think that most fans have come to realize that there is a ceiling with Bartow. We will never have the size to compete in the NCAA tournament, and we will never beat a team that has just one player who can shoot a 3 pointer well or has a decent coach.
03-24-2014 05:29 AM
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RE: Was this season a "success?"
(03-24-2014 05:29 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  The ongoing standard needs to be that ETSU is in the mix for the conference title and in a position to go to the NIT if they lose a game in the conference championship. Basically the position that Belmont has been in for years now, If we make the NCAA tournament or the NIT we should have the realistic idea that we can win a game.

Beating Lipscomb, North Florida, etc. on the road is not something to hang our hats on. Neither is beating a team from the Horizon league. The bottom line is that we watered down the schedule this year, had a decent OOC success because of that and then were the 4th best team in our conference. If we had made the NCAA tournament it would have been a fluke and we would have gotten beat by 30.

More than any of that- ETSU fans need to have the hope that our team can be in that position each year. Of course every team will have down years, like Mercer will have next year. I think that most fans have come to realize that there is a ceiling with Bartow. We will never have the size to compete in the NCAA tournament, and we will never beat a team that has just one player who can shoot a 3 pointer well or has a decent coach.

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03-24-2014 08:27 AM
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RE: Was this season a "success?"
Not sure I agree with the wording of a couple of choices so that makes it hard. I was surprised but that doesn't mean it was a successful season. Yes they played in a post season tournament and it was fun but making the NCAA or NIT even is earning a post season bid. Saying playing in the CIT is earning a bid is like saying I paid a vanity press to publish a book and claiming I am an author. We bought it. Don't really like the 3rd choice because it could have been better or worse but either way I DO care. I will have to think a bit before voting.
03-24-2014 08:48 AM
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RE: Was this season a "success?"
A winning season is certainly better than the alternative. Looks like Bartow does enough to give fans some hope from season to season, not get hired away, not get fired, and offer "stability" to the program. However, is that enough? We all want to see a SoCon title next year and a Chattanooga, Davidson, FGCU, Mercer, or a golden Bucs years type run in the NCAA. A number on here do not believe Bartow can get that done. I don't know. He hasn't yet. I do remember it took Madison Brooks a number of tries before he made it over the hump. But, if Bartow finally pulled off an NCAA run under the new ETSU athletic department, would he stay at ETSU? Seems ETSU basketball is sorta between a rock and a hard place. How does a mid- major state university keep a higher performing coach? (I believe VCU had to raise student fees in order to keep their coach -- which SFA proved doesn't offer any guarantees). Or, when do you let one go who continues having modest success? Tough decision for any mid-major AD. Sanders will eventually have to earn some of his pay with this situation.
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RE: Was this season a "success?"
This season was only a success as it relates to expectations and last season's results. A 19-16 record is not what anyone wants to see here. That should be a down year for us, not a good one. I hear the guys on the monster repeatedly saying that Bartow did his best coaching job this year. That is absurd. If Bill, Bobby or Bud ever actually went to a game they might realize the reality of the current situation.

You had two guys show up that turned out to be special. There were about 4 more that matured more than anyone expected and 2 that should have played, but didn't. This team was a lot of fun to watch and were on the cusp of being great, but the bottom line is they were coached down and not up. With Ofield and the big man coming in, the table is set to start a good run that could last for years, but not with this coach.
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RE: Was this season a "success?"
They really weren't though. How many people thought this would be a 10-12 win team? Success isn't the word I'd use, unless saying they successfully improved over the previous year and set themselves up to be pretty good next year. I like the idea of scheduling winnable games, and not as many money games. Some teams can get so beat down from losing they mail it in.
We also seem to forget Bartow never did get a third assistant, halfway through the year he did get a Director of Operations, but they honestly worked short handed all year from a staff perspective. I wonder if he can add a young third (that guy at VCU with tri cities ties comes to mind, he's an Ops guy I think) or someone like Mark Pancratz would be a pretty good move.
I just wonder what another year of maturity will do for guys like Petey, Rashawn, Lester and AJ. They gotta ALL put the work in this off season, but truthfully I feel like depending on the schedule this is a team that SHOULD contend for the SoCon title next year and win 23-25 games.
I'd love to see them go for the lower tier ACC teams, maybe go up to Jersey and play Rutgers then load up on top and middle tier one bid league teams.
03-25-2014 01:47 PM
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RE: Was this season a "success?"
We had some GREAT moments! I was talking with BucFaithful the other day, and we talked about WHY we do this. Sports is a diversion from life, from work, from the daily grind.

I had a ball this season. Seeing the Bucs beat the SNOT out of FCGU in the dome was the highlight for me. A big win over UTC. Seeing RR sink 3 after 3. And watching Hunter Harris' monster dunk in the final game of his career. What a great diversion from my daily job.

So, by that measure, I'm happy! Plus Dr. Noland punching blue suit guy was sweet!
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RE: Was this season a "success?"
I do enjoy watching Rashawn shoot. I love his form. If he continues his improvement, I wouldn't be surprised to see him shoot 50% from behind the 3-point arc next season. I am looking forward to that.
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RE: Was this season a "success?"
At risk of getting bogged down in semantics, I consider this season a success in terms of improvement and building toward a championship team. I think the additions of Coaches Bolen and Carr keyed this improvement, as did last year's recruiting class.

The highlights for me, in no particular order, were:
  • AJ Merriweather's arrival-Who saw that coming?
  • Rashawn's historic season-couldn't have happened to a better kid
  • Stephen F. Austin win--SFA hovered in the 40-50 range in RPI throughout season
  • Dr. Noland giving a student who was wearing a UT tshirt an ETSU shirt and hat
  • FGCU game-Another big win, especially after getting embarrassed by them weeks before
  • Asun quarterfinal, 2OT game against Lipscomb-Best game I've seen in years
  • Shooting 32-33 FT's against UNF
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(03-25-2014 07:45 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  I do enjoy watching Rashawn shoot. I love his form. If he continues his improvement, I wouldn't be surprised to see him shoot 50% from behind the 3-point arc next season. I am looking forward to that.

Woah, bro! He ended in the top 15 nationally. Continue to improve? I like your hope for the days ahead!
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RE: Was this season a "success?"
Is it asking too much to expect at least a Murray State level program? How do they do it season to season?


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RE: Was this season a "success?"
From a preseason expectation standpoint, I'd say it was a decent-to-better than expected season.

But knowing what we know looking from the end of the season, I voted definitely not a successful season.
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RE: Was this season a "success?"
Ultimately satisfied? No, I'm not. However lots of us, myself included, didn't see how we were going to get the number of wins to double digits. Yes, we could have won more games. But, we won several we expected to lose, and we didn't lose many we expect to win. Ya gotta play the hand you're dealt. We did that well. Yes, the season was a success.
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felt good about the season. look forward to next season
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(03-31-2014 01:54 PM)silence dogood Wrote:  felt good about the season. look forward to next season


Same here!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If ETSU doesn't get at least two bigs, 6'5/6'7 235lbs that can play strong in the SoCon, they will be a mid-pack team at best. Seven guards/wings 6'-6'4 and no power forwards. IMO, that lineup won't get the job done.
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RE: Was this season a "success?"
Considering the transfer of John Walton, heart surgery to Giplaye, lingering injury to Lukas Poderis and the inability of top recruit O’Field to qualify – this season was better than expected. The team fought, scrapped and improved through the season in many ways. Newcomers A.J. Merriweather and Jalen Riley brought skills, energy and swagger. Most individuals showed some strong improvement over last year – including Rashawn Rembert, KGG, Petey McClain and, in the last 1/3 of the season, Lester Wilson. Especially in areas like free throw shooting, 3 point shooting and ballhandling.

Is a 4th place finish in the ASun ‘good enough’? Hell, no. But given the situation at the beginning of the season, producing like the Bucs did was a real achievement.

Games like SFA, Marshall, Valparaiso, the win over FGCU and the tournament win over Lipscomb were a lot of fun.

The Bucs did some things better than they ever have in 3 point shooting, free throw shooting and turnovers.

They were especially strong free throw shooters making 18.7 per game 656-877 for a .748 percentage. That appears to be the most makes ever, and was 17th in the country. http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men...t/team/633
.748 was also the 22nd best in the country, and the best percentage ever for the Bucs, slightly better than 1989-90 (500-674 for .742) or 1983-84 (408-548 for .745). It was more makes but slightly fewer per game than 1991-92 (19 per game: 589-634 for .706 over 31 games). http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men...t/team/150
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They were also historically low in turnovers – 11.7 per game compared to 14.0 for opponents, a +2.3 turnover margin. That was the 36th best turnover margin in the country. http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men...t/team/519
The turnover per game figure appears to be the best ever for the Bucs – although turnover figures are not as complete and do not go as far back as some stats. But the turnover margin has been better a couple of times: +3.7 in 2011-12 (Sheldon Cooley), +3.9 in 1993-94 (Trazel Silvers), +4.5 for Wadood, Smith and Fields in 2003-2004; and +5.9 per game for the great English/Talford/Niblett/Dennis team in 1991-92.

They made 7.9 threes per game, 40th in the country. http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men...t/team/153 Over 35 games they were 275-758 for a .363 percentage. That’s good, the second most makes ever by the Bucs, and the best percentage since the fine shooting James Anthony/Travis Strong/Tim Smith/Sam Oatman team shot .372 in 2004-2005. But not as good percentagewise as the golden years: 1990-91 (293-724 for .405 - the only Bucs team with more total made 3's), 1989-1990 (249-613 for .406) or 1988-89 (206-496 for .413). Those teams were stuffed with great shooters like Jennings, English, Talford, Pelphrey, West and Geer.

I was certainly glad to make the trips to games this year, and am looking forward to next year.
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