There's a lot of talk about TV contracts and how great the AAC's is.

I'm wondering how our exposure compares to other teams/conferences.

I know ESPNNews and the few Cbssports games will be a little low on the channel list but thats not too bad. I feel like every year I look for P5 teams I'm not very familiar with on TV. I never find the Purdue/Indiana/Iowa State/Arizona/Cuse/Wsu home games on TV. Are they always nationally broadcast? I might be able to recall seeing one or two once in a blue moon like TCU or WVU but I don't think I've ever seen a game from the teams listed above aside from ESPN3.

I feel like the only reason I've seen some oregon state and washington games are because they're late night and nothing else is on.

Any idea? I know some B1G games might be on the B1G network which I don't subscribe to so that might be why I don't see Indiana or Purdue.

AAC Basketball has a much better "exposure" contract than even the SEC, both regular season and conf tourn.

It was practically embarrassing for the SEC to how many of their conf games never made it to broadcast TV...including some of their Quarterfinal tourn games.

This is a very good question. Maybe the new contracts for the P5 have not played through like ours (just a guess).

It will be interesting to see if the expected exposure we are supposed to receive in football affects the perceptions of our schools to the lower P5 schools.

I agree that AAC basketball exposure is above a lot of leagues. It has the potential to be really special with the exposure we receive. I hope my school and others take advantage of this opportunity.

(03-24-2014 01:19 AM)ncbeta Wrote:  There's a lot of talk about TV contracts and how great the AAC's is.

I'm wondering how our exposure compares to other teams/conferences.

I know ESPNNews and the few Cbssports games will be a little low on the channel list but thats not too bad. I feel like every year I look for P5 teams I'm not very familiar with on TV. I never find the Purdue/Indiana/Iowa State/Arizona/Cuse/Wsu home games on TV. Are they always nationally broadcast? I might be able to recall seeing one or two once in a blue moon like TCU or WVU but I don't think I've ever seen a game from the teams listed above aside from ESPN3.

I feel like the only reason I've seen some oregon state and washington games are because they're late night and nothing else is on.

Any idea? I know some B1G games might be on the B1G network which I don't subscribe to so that might be why I don't see Indiana or Purdue.

I don't know how many games ESPN is obligated to air, but from UCF's standpoint, we had 6 of 12 on ABC/ESPN/ESPN2, with another two syndicated as the "AAC Game of the Week." Our game at FIU was on CBS Sports, but that was because of FIU's/CUSA's media package. We had two games (Akron & @Memphis) relegated to ESPN3. We've actually had seasons where we've had more "national" games on TV, but in CUSA, the bulk of those were on CBS Sports or Fox Sports Net. In 2012 we had 9 national TV games if you include the championship game. But as far as the number of eyeballs, I don't think there's any question that we got more this past season than ever before. I certainly have my beefs with ESPN, but there's no questioning how many more TV's they can put our games on compared to the other networks.

And basketball, wow, having every AAC game (and some OOC games) on an ESPN channel is just huge for some of the "CUSA" schools who have never had much national basketball exposure before now. I would have to think that will end up paying big dividends over time.

(03-24-2014 08:00 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  It was practically embarrassing for the SEC to how many of their conf games never made it to broadcast TV...including some of their Quarterfinal tourn games.

They were on TV. They were just on SEC TV (syndication) as they always are. I saw the games and were carried locally on our NBC affiliate.

(03-24-2014 08:33 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 08:00 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  It was practically embarrassing for the SEC to how many of their conf games never made it to broadcast TV...including some of their Quarterfinal tourn games.

They were on TV. They were just on SEC TV (syndication) as they always are. I saw the games and were carried locally on our NBC affiliate.

Broadcast TV (National TV Networks)

All of SEC 1st and 2nd round games were only carried by their regional SEC network, including two of their Quarterfinal games.

SEC had just 5 tourn games carried by ESPN Networks.

AAC had a heck of a lot better national broadcast TV exposure than the SEC Tourn...and it wasn't even close.

NOTE: Wouldn't be surprised if next season, a majority of the SEC Tourn games will be carried by SEC ESPN...which obviously won't be in that many homes (especially compared to ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU)

(03-24-2014 08:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  AAC had a heck of a lot better national broadcast TV exposure than the SEC Tourn...and it wasn't even close.

NOTE: Wouldn't be surprised if next season, a majority of the SEC Tourn games will be carried by SEC ESPN...which obviously won't be in that many homes (especially compared to ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU)

One of the main problems with the "exposure" argument for our lousy contract is that going forward, all the P5s are going to have great exposure for their teams too. Everyone's exposure is going up.

And our games will by and large not be featured on the ESPN family. It doesn't do us all that much good to have Memphis - UCF on ESPN News or USF - Tulsa on ESPNU when a Big 10 game is on ESPN and an ACC game is on ESPN2.

I guess it's better than not being on at all, but ....

(03-24-2014 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 08:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  AAC had a heck of a lot better national broadcast TV exposure than the SEC Tourn...and it wasn't even close.

NOTE: Wouldn't be surprised if next season, a majority of the SEC Tourn games will be carried by SEC ESPN...which obviously won't be in that many homes (especially compared to ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU)

One of the main problems with the "exposure" argument for our lousy contract is that going forward, all the P5s are going to have great exposure for their teams too. Everyone's exposure is going up.

And our games will by and large not be featured on the ESPN family. It doesn't do us all that much good to have Memphis - UCF on ESPN News or USF - Tulsa on ESPNU when a Big 10 game is on ESPN and an ACC game is on ESPN2.

I guess it's better than not being on at all, but ....

This. When we were in CUSA we were lucky if we had 2 or 3 games on TV all season. Most people get all the ESPN networks these days anyways. I'm Sure the MWC would kill to have all of their games on ESPNews or ESPNU.

(03-24-2014 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 08:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  AAC had a heck of a lot better national broadcast TV exposure than the SEC Tourn...and it wasn't even close.

NOTE: Wouldn't be surprised if next season, a majority of the SEC Tourn games will be carried by SEC ESPN...which obviously won't be in that many homes (especially compared to ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU)

One of the main problems with the "exposure" argument for our lousy contract is that going forward, all the P5s are going to have great exposure for their teams too. Everyone's exposure is going up.

And our games will by and large not be featured on the ESPN family. It doesn't do us all that much good to have Memphis - UCF on ESPN News or USF - Tulsa on ESPNU when a Big 10 game is on ESPN and an ACC game is on ESPN2.

I guess it's better than not being on at all, but ....

Thats just not true. Our basketball exposure is pretty much what we saw this season. For football the American might occupy ESPNU, ESPNews, and CBSSN on Saturdays but they still have weeknight games on higher viewership networks, and a few games contracted to ABC/ESPN/ESPN2. Non-conference road games against power five schools, BYU, or the military academies will have a nice TV slot too.

(03-24-2014 10:56 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 08:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  AAC had a heck of a lot better national broadcast TV exposure than the SEC Tourn...and it wasn't even close.

NOTE: Wouldn't be surprised if next season, a majority of the SEC Tourn games will be carried by SEC ESPN...which obviously won't be in that many homes (especially compared to ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU)

One of the main problems with the "exposure" argument for our lousy contract is that going forward, all the P5s are going to have great exposure for their teams too. Everyone's exposure is going up.

And our games will by and large not be featured on the ESPN family. It doesn't do us all that much good to have Memphis - UCF on ESPN News or USF - Tulsa on ESPNU when a Big 10 game is on ESPN and an ACC game is on ESPN2.

I guess it's better than not being on at all, but ....

Thats just not true. Our basketball exposure is pretty much what we saw this season.

I'm not so sure. The bulk of our basketball games were on ESPNU and ESPN News. Of the 20 or so games that were on ESPN or ESPN2, seven of them featured Louisville, who will be gone next year, and in the ACC meaning Louisville games will now compete with AAC games for the better ESPN slots.

Louisville is a blue-chip basketball brand, bigger than anyone in the AAC including UConn. The loss of Louisville will hurt, so I bet that many of those ESPN/ESPN2 games that included Louisville will now revert to ESPNu or ESPN News. The AAC loses a significant chunk of its national media appeal without Louisville.

(03-24-2014 11:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:56 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 08:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  AAC had a heck of a lot better national broadcast TV exposure than the SEC Tourn...and it wasn't even close.

NOTE: Wouldn't be surprised if next season, a majority of the SEC Tourn games will be carried by SEC ESPN...which obviously won't be in that many homes (especially compared to ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU)

One of the main problems with the "exposure" argument for our lousy contract is that going forward, all the P5s are going to have great exposure for their teams too. Everyone's exposure is going up.

And our games will by and large not be featured on the ESPN family. It doesn't do us all that much good to have Memphis - UCF on ESPN News or USF - Tulsa on ESPNU when a Big 10 game is on ESPN and an ACC game is on ESPN2.

I guess it's better than not being on at all, but ....

Thats just not true. Our basketball exposure is pretty much what we saw this season.

I'm not so sure. The bulk of our basketball games were on ESPNU and ESPN News. Of the 20 or so games that were on ESPN or ESPN2, seven of them featured Louisville, who will be gone next year, and in the ACC meaning Louisville games will now compete with AAC games for the better ESPN slots.

Louisville is a blue-chip basketball brand, bigger than anyone in the AAC including UConn. The loss of Louisville will hurt, so I bet that many of those ESPN/ESPN2 games that included Louisville will now revert to ESPNu or ESPN News. The AAC loses a significant chunk of its national media appeal without Louisville.

Those prime spots Louisville received will probably my divided up amongst Temple, SMU, Cincinnati, UConn, and Memphis. The league still requires six CBS spots. That could be either be three conference games, six non-conference games, or any other combination.

Cincinnati had six conference games on either ESPN/ESPN2/CBS and three non conference games either ESPN or ESPN2. The rest were on ESPNU or CBSSN. UC had one ESPNews game. That is solid exposure for a team picked fourth place in the league.

(03-24-2014 11:50 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 11:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:56 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 08:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  AAC had a heck of a lot better national broadcast TV exposure than the SEC Tourn...and it wasn't even close.

NOTE: Wouldn't be surprised if next season, a majority of the SEC Tourn games will be carried by SEC ESPN...which obviously won't be in that many homes (especially compared to ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU)

One of the main problems with the "exposure" argument for our lousy contract is that going forward, all the P5s are going to have great exposure for their teams too. Everyone's exposure is going up.

And our games will by and large not be featured on the ESPN family. It doesn't do us all that much good to have Memphis - UCF on ESPN News or USF - Tulsa on ESPNU when a Big 10 game is on ESPN and an ACC game is on ESPN2.

I guess it's better than not being on at all, but ....

Thats just not true. Our basketball exposure is pretty much what we saw this season.

I'm not so sure. The bulk of our basketball games were on ESPNU and ESPN News. Of the 20 or so games that were on ESPN or ESPN2, seven of them featured Louisville, who will be gone next year, and in the ACC meaning Louisville games will now compete with AAC games for the better ESPN slots.

Louisville is a blue-chip basketball brand, bigger than anyone in the AAC including UConn. The loss of Louisville will hurt, so I bet that many of those ESPN/ESPN2 games that included Louisville will now revert to ESPNu or ESPN News. The AAC loses a significant chunk of its national media appeal without Louisville.

Those prime spots Louisville received will probably my divided up amongst Temple, SMU, Cincinnati, UConn, and Memphis. The league still requires six CBS spots.

If the ESPN contract does not require that those 7 games be on ESPN or ESPN2, I doubt they would divide them up among the rest of the league. Otherwise, they would have put those rest-of-league games on ESPN or ESPN2 this year.

I know it's harder for a Cincinnati fan to hear it than a USF fan, but Louisville was the cream of the AAC from a national basketball media interest point of view.

Louisville may be a bigger national brand but UConn is clearly a national brand in hoops. It's really the only national brand left in the AAC after UofL leaves, which may be hard for some to admit.

(03-24-2014 12:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 11:50 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 11:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:56 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  One of the main problems with the "exposure" argument for our lousy contract is that going forward, all the P5s are going to have great exposure for their teams too. Everyone's exposure is going up.

And our games will by and large not be featured on the ESPN family. It doesn't do us all that much good to have Memphis - UCF on ESPN News or USF - Tulsa on ESPNU when a Big 10 game is on ESPN and an ACC game is on ESPN2.

I guess it's better than not being on at all, but ....

Thats just not true. Our basketball exposure is pretty much what we saw this season.

I'm not so sure. The bulk of our basketball games were on ESPNU and ESPN News. Of the 20 or so games that were on ESPN or ESPN2, seven of them featured Louisville, who will be gone next year, and in the ACC meaning Louisville games will now compete with AAC games for the better ESPN slots.

Louisville is a blue-chip basketball brand, bigger than anyone in the AAC including UConn. The loss of Louisville will hurt, so I bet that many of those ESPN/ESPN2 games that included Louisville will now revert to ESPNu or ESPN News. The AAC loses a significant chunk of its national media appeal without Louisville.

Those prime spots Louisville received will probably my divided up amongst Temple, SMU, Cincinnati, UConn, and Memphis. The league still requires six CBS spots.

If the ESPN contract does not require that those 7 games be on ESPN or ESPN2, I doubt they would divide them up among the rest of the league. Otherwise, they would have put those rest-of-league games on ESPN or ESPN2 this year.

I know it's harder for a Cincinnati fan to hear it than a USF fan, but Louisville was the cream of the AAC from a national basketball media interest point of view.

This is mostly due to Louisville being the only thing that drives their sports market. UConn has to compete with Boston and New York pro sports, which are practically right next door. Anyway, Louisville may get more national attention at the moment (all of their sports teams have been spectacular the last few years). However, I have read articles stating that UConn has the largest traveling media circus of any hoop team in the country. It may be mostly CT/NYC media instead of national, however UConn still gets a lot of press.

Louisville and UConn both won national titles within the last three years and both have three titles apiece. I would consider both to be "blue chip" programs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCA..._champions

Uconn is definitely a blue chip basketball program. Before I knew the politics of realignment I thought they were the ones leaving for the ACC until UL announced.

Also there's no "if those six or seven cbs/abc/whatever games aren't required then they wont split it up." They either are or they aren't. If they are then espn will put the best products in them, just like they did with UL.
its a good thing most cable companies put espnu and news HD right.next to espn and espn2. If someone wants to watch us they'll be able to find the game.

My question wasnt about our deal anyway it was about P5. Sure they'll always be on espn, but that's going to be the biggest programs. Where are the smaller ones?

(03-24-2014 01:19 AM)ncbeta Wrote:  There's a lot of talk about TV contracts and how great the AAC's is.

I'm wondering how our exposure compares to other teams/conferences.

I know ESPNNews and the few Cbssports games will be a little low on the channel list but thats not too bad. I feel like every year I look for P5 teams I'm not very familiar with on TV. I never find the Purdue/Indiana/Iowa State/Arizona/Cuse/Wsu home games on TV. Are they always nationally broadcast? I might be able to recall seeing one or two once in a blue moon like TCU or WVU but I don't think I've ever seen a game from the teams listed above aside from ESPN3.

I feel like the only reason I've seen some oregon state and washington games are because they're late night and nothing else is on.

Any idea? I know some B1G games might be on the B1G network which I don't subscribe to so that might be why I don't see Indiana or Purdue.

The P5 gets over $20,000,000 more in exposure a year.

(03-24-2014 08:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 08:33 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 08:00 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  It was practically embarrassing for the SEC to how many of their conf games never made it to broadcast TV...including some of their Quarterfinal tourn games.

They were on TV. They were just on SEC TV (syndication) as they always are. I saw the games and were carried locally on our NBC affiliate.

Broadcast TV (National TV Networks)

All of SEC 1st and 2nd round games were only carried by their regional SEC network, including two of their Quarterfinal games.

SEC had just 5 tourn games carried by ESPN Networks.

AAC had a heck of a lot better national broadcast TV exposure than the SEC Tourn...and it wasn't even close.

NOTE: Wouldn't be surprised if next season, a majority of the SEC Tourn games will be carried by SEC ESPN...which obviously won't be in that many homes (especially compared to ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU)

The entire SEC basketball tournament is on the new SECN next year. I believe the Championship game is as well.

(03-24-2014 01:40 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 01:19 AM)ncbeta Wrote:  There's a lot of talk about TV contracts and how great the AAC's is.

I'm wondering how our exposure compares to other teams/conferences.

I know ESPNNews and the few Cbssports games will be a little low on the channel list but thats not too bad. I feel like every year I look for P5 teams I'm not very familiar with on TV. I never find the Purdue/Indiana/Iowa State/Arizona/Cuse/Wsu home games on TV. Are they always nationally broadcast? I might be able to recall seeing one or two once in a blue moon like TCU or WVU but I don't think I've ever seen a game from the teams listed above aside from ESPN3.

I feel like the only reason I've seen some oregon state and washington games are because they're late night and nothing else is on.

Any idea? I know some B1G games might be on the B1G network which I don't subscribe to so that might be why I don't see Indiana or Purdue.

The P5 gets over $20,000,000 more in exposure a year.

Not really. A lot of that is spin. Please read the articles attached this thread. A lot of "P5" schools aren't get anwhere near that amount in TV revenue, dispite the press clippings from these conferences.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-683250.html

(03-24-2014 12:41 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  Louisville may be a bigger national brand but UConn is clearly a national brand in hoops. It's really the only national brand left in the AAC after UofL leaves, which may be hard for some to admit.

Yes you are, and that was my point: When a conference has two major national brands, and loses one, it has taken a big hit.

(03-24-2014 03:18 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 01:40 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 01:19 AM)ncbeta Wrote:  There's a lot of talk about TV contracts and how great the AAC's is.

I'm wondering how our exposure compares to other teams/conferences.

I know ESPNNews and the few Cbssports games will be a little low on the channel list but thats not too bad. I feel like every year I look for P5 teams I'm not very familiar with on TV. I never find the Purdue/Indiana/Iowa State/Arizona/Cuse/Wsu home games on TV. Are they always nationally broadcast? I might be able to recall seeing one or two once in a blue moon like TCU or WVU but I don't think I've ever seen a game from the teams listed above aside from ESPN3.

I feel like the only reason I've seen some oregon state and washington games are because they're late night and nothing else is on.

Any idea? I know some B1G games might be on the B1G network which I don't subscribe to so that might be why I don't see Indiana or Purdue.

The P5 gets over $20,000,000 more in exposure a year.

Not really. A lot of that is spin. Please read the articles attached this thread. A lot of "P5" schools aren't get anwhere near that amount in TV revenue, dispite the press clippings from these conferences.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-683250.html

The author of the Oregon article's point was that Oregon isn't getting $20 million MORE with their new PAC deal than they did with their previous TV deal, not that they aren't getting (or will soon be getting) that amount. They are and will, while we are stuck at $2.1 million.