Through 3/23/14

Done:
Duke - 1
NC State - 2
UNC - 2
Pitt - 2
Syracuse - 2

Still Playing:
Virginia - 3


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I ask with no knowledge related to this, but do play-in game participants earn a full credit for those Dayton games?

(03-22-2014 12:22 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  I ask with no knowledge related to this, but do play-in game participants earn a full credit for those Dayton games?

yes.

So if you are a 16, it is better to be in the First 4, because you have a better chance of picking up an extra credit for your conference winning against a 16 than if your first game is against a 1.

(03-22-2014 12:24 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 12:22 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  I ask with no knowledge related to this, but do play-in game participants earn a full credit for those Dayton games?

yes.

So if you are a 16, it is better to be in the First 4, because you have a better chance of picking up an extra credit for your conference winning against a 16 than if you first game is against a 1.

Interesting, thanks.

What exactly do credits mean?

(03-22-2014 12:24 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 12:22 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  I ask with no knowledge related to this, but do play-in game participants earn a full credit for those Dayton games?

yes.

So if you are a 16, it is better to be in the First 4, because you have a better chance of picking up an extra credit for your conference winning against a 16 than if you first game is against a 1.

Dumb rule

(03-22-2014 12:24 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 12:22 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  I ask with no knowledge related to this, but do play-in game participants earn a full credit for those Dayton games?

yes.

So if you are a 16, it is better to be in the First 4, because you have a better chance of picking up an extra credit for your conference winning against a 16 than if you first game is against a 1.

That rule is dumb. Play in games should get a half credit, and the winners of the play in games should get a half credit for playing in the round of 64 and full credits thereafter until the championship game (which doesn't award credits).

(03-22-2014 01:45 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  What exactly do credits mean?

really????

you have been posting here for how long????

like the BCS bowls the ncaa tourny also pays out money to the conference based on how many appearances each school has.

the difference between the bowls in the tourny is that the tourny pays out every SIX YEARS. so to measure how much each conference is owed credits are kept as a tally. the more credits a conference earns the more money they receive. advancing in the tourny nets you more credits and it increases by round. go from the round of 64 to the round of 32 brings only an additional 250k. go from the elite 8 to the final four brings in an additional $9.5 mill

(03-22-2014 01:45 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  What exactly do credits mean?

The correct term in NCAA units.
Each unit is worth approx. $1.6 million over the next 6 years, according to Forbes - LINK.

(03-22-2014 03:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 01:45 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  What exactly do credits mean?

really????

you have been posting here for how long????

like the BCS bowls the ncaa tourny also pays out money to the conference based on how many appearances each school has.

the difference between the bowls in the tourny is that the tourny pays out every SIX YEARS. so to measure how much each conference is owed credits are kept as a tally. the more credits a conference earns the more money they receive. advancing in the tourny nets you more credits and it increases by round. go from the round of 64 to the round of 32 brings only an additional 250k. go from the elite 8 to the final four brings in an additional $9.5 mill

That's not right. Elite eight, final four and finals units are worth no more than the play in or round 2 credits.

(03-22-2014 03:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 01:45 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  What exactly do credits mean?

really????

you have been posting here for how long????

like the BCS bowls the ncaa tourny also pays out money to the conference based on how many appearances each school has.

the difference between the bowls in the tourny is that the tourny pays out every SIX YEARS. so to measure how much each conference is owed credits are kept as a tally. the more credits a conference earns the more money they receive. advancing in the tourny nets you more credits and it increases by round. go from the round of 64 to the round of 32 brings only an additional 250k. go from the elite 8 to the final four brings in an additional $9.5 mill

An NCAA Tournament Share is earned by a conference for every game in which a member school appears except the National Final. The share earns a payment in each of the next six years.

Total shares each year = 66 games x 2 schools per game x 6 years = 792. This season, each share is paid $250,000, so the total payout is $198,000,000 (792 x $250,000). The ACC has 70 shares from the last 6 tournaments, so it will receive $17,500,000 this year. In 2008, the year being dropped next season, the ACC earned only 10 shares, so every share earned over 10 this year will increase the number of shares next year.

The NCAA pays out only 40% of the tournament tv money on this basis. The other 60% is paid out based on other metrics, including number of sports sponsored and number of athletic scholarships offered.

Schools changing conferences generally leave shares they've earned with their former conferences. The ACC gets no payment for Syracuse's Final Four run last year or Louisville's games this year. Those all go to the AAC.

(03-22-2014 06:06 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 03:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 01:45 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  What exactly do credits mean?

really????

you have been posting here for how long????

like the BCS bowls the ncaa tourny also pays out money to the conference based on how many appearances each school has.

the difference between the bowls in the tourny is that the tourny pays out every SIX YEARS. so to measure how much each conference is owed credits are kept as a tally. the more credits a conference earns the more money they receive. advancing in the tourny nets you more credits and it increases by round. go from the round of 64 to the round of 32 brings only an additional 250k. go from the elite 8 to the final four brings in an additional $9.5 mill

That's not right. Elite eight, final four and finals units are worth no more than the play in or round 2 credits.

then where do these mega final four payouts come from?

(03-22-2014 10:50 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 06:06 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 03:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 01:45 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  What exactly do credits mean?

really????

you have been posting here for how long????

like the BCS bowls the ncaa tourny also pays out money to the conference based on how many appearances each school has.

the difference between the bowls in the tourny is that the tourny pays out every SIX YEARS. so to measure how much each conference is owed credits are kept as a tally. the more credits a conference earns the more money they receive. advancing in the tourny nets you more credits and it increases by round. go from the round of 64 to the round of 32 brings only an additional 250k. go from the elite 8 to the final four brings in an additional $9.5 mill

That's not right. Elite eight, final four and finals units are worth no more than the play in or round 2 credits.

then where do these mega final four payouts come from?

Payouts are based on the total number of credits your conference gets each rolling 6 year window.

Here's an example from a couple of years ago

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/...mation.pdf

(03-22-2014 11:03 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 10:50 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 06:06 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 03:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 01:45 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  What exactly do credits mean?

really????

you have been posting here for how long????

like the BCS bowls the ncaa tourny also pays out money to the conference based on how many appearances each school has.

the difference between the bowls in the tourny is that the tourny pays out every SIX YEARS. so to measure how much each conference is owed credits are kept as a tally. the more credits a conference earns the more money they receive. advancing in the tourny nets you more credits and it increases by round. go from the round of 64 to the round of 32 brings only an additional 250k. go from the elite 8 to the final four brings in an additional $9.5 mill

That's not right. Elite eight, final four and finals units are worth no more than the play in or round 2 credits.

then where do these mega final four payouts come from?

Payouts are based on the total number of credits your conference gets each rolling 6 year window.

Here's an example from a couple of years ago

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/...mation.pdf

where does their 9.5 mill figure come from?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2...5-million/

(03-22-2014 12:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 11:03 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 10:50 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 06:06 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 03:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  really????

you have been posting here for how long????

like the BCS bowls the ncaa tourny also pays out money to the conference based on how many appearances each school has.

the difference between the bowls in the tourny is that the tourny pays out every SIX YEARS. so to measure how much each conference is owed credits are kept as a tally. the more credits a conference earns the more money they receive. advancing in the tourny nets you more credits and it increases by round. go from the round of 64 to the round of 32 brings only an additional 250k. go from the elite 8 to the final four brings in an additional $9.5 mill

That's not right. Elite eight, final four and finals units are worth no more than the play in or round 2 credits.

then where do these mega final four payouts come from?

Payouts are based on the total number of credits your conference gets each rolling 6 year window.

Here's an example from a couple of years ago

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/...mation.pdf

where does their 9.5 mill figure come from?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2...5-million/

A Final Four run generates 5 units times 6 years times $250,000/2014 share equals $7.5 million. However, the $250,000 is likely to escalate dramatically over the next several years. The average annual contract value of the CBS/TBS is $800 million, but this year's total payout on all metrics is around $500 million, so there is some major escalation ahead.

I don't think First Four games deserve double units. They should absolutely earn a credit for the First Four - as 2 teams are from conferences that are only 1-bid leagues and depriving them of an NCAAT unit wouldn't make any sense. But the teams that won that First Four game shouldn't receive another unit unless they make it to the Round of 32. If you give the First Four teams two units for winning that play-in game, then schools should earn a unit in the currently unit-less national title game.

(03-22-2014 03:27 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I don't think First Four games deserve double units. They should absolutely earn a credit for the First Four - as 2 teams are from conferences that are only 1-bid leagues and depriving them of an NCAAT unit wouldn't make any sense. But the teams that won that First Four game shouldn't receive another unit unless they make it to the Round of 32. If you give the First Four teams two units for winning that play-in game, then schools should earn a unit in the currently unit-less national title game.

+1.

(03-22-2014 03:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 03:27 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I don't think First Four games deserve double units. They should absolutely earn a credit for the First Four - as 2 teams are from conferences that are only 1-bid leagues and depriving them of an NCAAT unit wouldn't make any sense. But the teams that won that First Four game shouldn't receive another unit unless they make it to the Round of 32. If you give the First Four teams two units for winning that play-in game, then schools should earn a unit in the currently unit-less national title game.

+1.

Well then, we will just keep our money for this year and not share.