DexterDevil
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Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
Is our conference actually that good or did the Michigans and Wisky dominate a weak conference?
Ohio State lost to A-10 Dayton
Iowa lost to SEC Tennessee
2 Games the Big Ten had no business losing to if we want to be seen as the TOP conference in basketball and not 2nd fiddle to ACC/BE/SEC.
I would hope that State and Michigan are as good as they've been playing and that Nebraska is really getting better and not just beginning to face competition at their level.
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RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
(03-20-2014 05:45 PM)DexterDevil Wrote: Is our conference actually that good or did the Michigans and Wisky dominate a weak conference?
Ohio State lost to A-10 Dayton
Iowa lost to SEC Tennessee
2 Games the Big Ten had no business losing to if we want to be seen as the TOP conference in basketball and not 2nd fiddle to ACC/BE/SEC.
I would hope that State and Michigan are as good as they've been playing and that Nebraska is really getting better and not just beginning to face competition at their level.
The Ohio State loss to Dayton looks a lot better now that Dayton beat Syracuse at "home" in Buffalo NY. Likewise, the Iowa loss to Tennessee looks better with Tennessee at least advancing to Sunday.
The B1G looks pretty good so far with Michigan, Michigan State and Wisconsin in the Sweet 16. That will probably be more than any other conference.
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RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
Yup - those Dayton and Tennessee losses aren't bad losses.
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03-24-2014 04:03 PM |
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RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
Yup. Now let's see how many we can get into the Final Four.
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03-29-2014 11:08 AM |
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RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
You have to like the odds of sending multiple Final Four participants at this point.
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RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
Well, now we know ... one non-FBS school in the Elite Eight, one Go5 school in the elite eight, six P5 schools in the Elite Eight, half of the P5 schools from the Big Ten, none from the Big12 (top P5 school RPI) or ACC.
So, yes, Big Ten BBall really is that good. It may well not have the best single team in the country, but it offers the strongest conference competition in the country.
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03-29-2014 01:27 PM |
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RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
potential 3 out of 4 Final Four is really impressive... old Big East type of impressive.
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RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
I think top to bottom the Big 10 is the strongest basketball conference in the nation. But the SEC placing two in the final four, even though our bottom half is weak, ain't bad at all for a football first conference, which by the way is second only to the Big 10 in basketball attendance.
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03-30-2014 06:46 PM |
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RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
guess i jinxed it lol
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Re: RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
(03-30-2014 06:46 PM)JRsec Wrote: I think top to bottom the Big 10 is the strongest basketball conference in the nation. But the SEC placing two in the final four, even though our bottom half is weak, ain't bad at all for a football first conference, which by the way is second only to the Big 10 in basketball attendance.
The Big Ten is starting to really resemble the 80s/early 90s Big East or the 05-13 Big East in men's hoops. Just scary good from top to near the bottom. Unfortunately it won't always translate to tourney success for a number of reasons.
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RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
(03-31-2014 09:18 AM)brista21 Wrote: (03-30-2014 06:46 PM)JRsec Wrote: I think top to bottom the Big 10 is the strongest basketball conference in the nation. But the SEC placing two in the final four, even though our bottom half is weak, ain't bad at all for a football first conference, which by the way is second only to the Big 10 in basketball attendance.
The Big Ten is starting to really resemble the 80s/early 90s Big East or the 05-13 Big East in men's hoops. Just scary good from top to near the bottom. Unfortunately it won't always translate to tourney success for a number of reasons.
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Yep, and as a conference I don't think anyone is even a close second to the Big 10 in hoops right now. The PAC has been overrated, the Big 12 has a flash or two but their SOS was grossly inflated this year in part due to some early season wins that made them look better than they were (Iowa State excepted as they were very good) and the ACC has only been a shell of its former self now for nearly a decade. And my SEC is 4 or 5 schools tops every year with two and sometimes 3 of those being national caliber teams. I think the strength of Minnesota this year proved the depth of the Big 10.
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RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
Agreed, JR. Conferences other than the Big 10 should be thankful that the post season included 64 schools, not 2 (or soon to be 4) as we see in football. Otherwise, I think we would be seeing a Big 10 run in basketball similar to what is going on in SEC football. The Big 10 probably wouldn't win the whole thing every year, but they would be represented in at least the Final Four every year while some major conferences get left out for weak SOS.
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RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
(04-04-2014 02:12 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote: Agreed, JR. Conferences other than the Big 10 should be thankful that the post season included 64 schools, not 2 (or soon to be 4) as we see in football. Otherwise, I think we would be seeing a Big 10 run in basketball similar to what is going on in SEC football. The Big 10 probably wouldn't win the whole thing every year, but they would be represented in at least the Final Four every year while some major conferences get left out for weak SOS.
Agreed. And I bet we see the playoff expand to 6 schools before long and eventually top out at 8.
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RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
The B1G is probably the deepest conference right now. Just the top has not been able to produce titles like UNC/Duke in the ACC, UConn/Louisville in the Big East/AAC, and Kentucky/Florida in the SEC.
In a one and done tournament it is a crap shoot. One cold game, one bad match-up, or one super hot opponent and even the best school that year can lose. My school Kansas won in 1988, went 21-11 before the tourney, and won the title. Far from the best team that year. In 1997 KU had the best team, 32-1 pre-tourney, #1 from week 3 of the season until the end, and lost in the sweet 16.
At least you are not in the B12's shoes where basically Kansas is the only school making any final fours (Oklahoma State in 2004 was the last non-Kansas FF squad) or winning titles (OSU is only other school with any in the B12, 1945 and 1946).
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RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
(04-07-2014 02:21 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote: The B1G is probably the deepest conference right now. Just the top has not been able to produce titles like UNC/Duke in the ACC, UConn/Louisville in the Big East/AAC, and Kentucky/Florida in the SEC.
In a one and done tournament it is a crap shoot. One cold game, one bad match-up, or one super hot opponent and even the best school that year can lose. My school Kansas won in 1988, went 21-11 before the tourney, and won the title. Far from the best team that year. In 1997 KU had the best team, 32-1 pre-tourney, #1 from week 3 of the season until the end, and lost in the sweet 16.
At least you are not in the B12's shoes where basically Kansas is the only school making any final fours (Oklahoma State in 2004 was the last non-Kansas FF squad) or winning titles (OSU is only other school with any in the B12, 1945 and 1946).
I will take your word but Texas, mizzou and Oklahoma have never won a title
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RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
B1G basketball is solid, one of the best if not the best conference right now. The top half of the conference beats each other up all conference season long so the losses can add up, but make no mistake the B1G is really that good.
ACC is also very strong and after that the SEC, PAC 12 and the American round out the rest of the good conferences.
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04-07-2014 10:15 PM |
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RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
(04-07-2014 05:20 PM)harley93davidson Wrote: (04-07-2014 02:21 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote: The B1G is probably the deepest conference right now. Just the top has not been able to produce titles like UNC/Duke in the ACC, UConn/Louisville in the Big East/AAC, and Kentucky/Florida in the SEC.
In a one and done tournament it is a crap shoot. One cold game, one bad match-up, or one super hot opponent and even the best school that year can lose. My school Kansas won in 1988, went 21-11 before the tourney, and won the title. Far from the best team that year. In 1997 KU had the best team, 32-1 pre-tourney, #1 from week 3 of the season until the end, and lost in the sweet 16.
At least you are not in the B12's shoes where basically Kansas is the only school making any final fours (Oklahoma State in 2004 was the last non-Kansas FF squad) or winning titles (OSU is only other school with any in the B12, 1945 and 1946).
I will take your word but Texas, mizzou and Oklahoma have never won a title
Yes. None of those 3 have won BB titles and MU (now in the SEC) has never even been to a final four. Like I said, Oklahoma State is the only current B12 school besides KU with a BB national title (none of the original members who left had any BB titles either).
The B1G has been putting schools in the final four consistently. Sooner or later it will start winning titles again.
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RE: Is B1G Basketball Really That Good?
(04-08-2014 11:46 PM)jhawkmvp Wrote: Like I said, Oklahoma State is the only current B12 school besides KU with a BB national title (none of the original members who left had any BB titles either).
You said OSU, jbut I worked out from context you meant Li'l Okie, not THE OSU.
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